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While it's admirable how hard the players have continued to play, I sense that the coaches send mixed messages when it comes to players doing their jobs. Carlos Rogers blows a coverage on a double move and gets benched. Last season, he played arguably the best football of his career in the first 8 games, and was benched after making a few bad plays. Laron Landry [B]regularly[/B] makes undisciplined plays, late hits, blown coverages, bad angles, missed tackles due to poor technique, etc. As an aside, Landry makes an ass of himself at least twice a game, bringing attention to himself after making a routine tackle.

I'm tired of the coaches protecting some players while dogging others. Take Suisham - name a kick of any significance that he's made this year. Yet coaches tolerate his short kickoffs, some of which have even gone out of bounds. Put Suisham in to make a big kick with the game on the line, and the results have been spotty at best.

I fully expect Zorn to come to the conclusion that he's so pissed at Landry's play that Carlos Rogers must be benched again when Hall comes back.

Whomever our next coach ends up being, I hope that he brings more of a consistent sense of accountability [I]and [/I]consequences [U]for not doing your job[/U].

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amen

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I agree.

Let's also get guys out of the lineup who aren't making plays. Randle El shouldn't be in the lineup anymore. Not on special teams or WR. I love the guy and he is a person you need on your team but at this point in the year, It's time for Kelly, Thomas and anyone else to get more opportunities.

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I disagree about Randle El. I think he really makes his presence known in the slot, and has converted several key 3rd downs for us as a release valve for JC.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;636043]I disagree about Randle El. I think he really makes his presence known in the slot, and has converted several key 3rd downs for us as a release valve for JC.[/quote]

Most definitely, Randle El has been valuable for us when he's playing at slot spot.. He always find a soft spot of defense when we needed a long play when we are in 3rd down and long situations.

Edit: on the other hand, I agree with this thread.. Coaches definitely need to start making players take the responsible for their error actions..

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;636043]I disagree about Randle El. I think he really makes his presence known in the slot, and has converted several key 3rd downs for us as a release valve for JC.[/quote]

Agreed. As long as he's not returning punts, he contributes in POSITIVE ways.

Also, Landry played a good game aside from the 2 double moves he was bunt on. I even saw him make some nice hits and tackles without celebrating and talking smack like usual, I thought there may have been a chance he was either getting a hint or growing up...a few times at least. It WAS Drew Brees' offense burning him at least and not some nobody scrub QB. Brees does that to everyone. Not making excuses, Landry screwed up twice, but it WAS the Saints.

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Jeez... Landry sure is public enemy #1 lately huh

I get it to a point, but some of the (over)reactions are a bit over the top.

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[quote=Mattyk72;636116]Jeez... Landry sure is public enemy #1 lately huh

I get it to a point, but some of the (over)reactions are a bit over the top.[/quote]

Well, people would look like idiots to still be blaming Campbell...since President Bush is out of Washington, SOMEONE has to be blamed for our failures.

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Yeah LL has taken over for JC in the scapegoat category that's for sure.

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[quote=Mattyk72;636126]Yeah LL has taken over for JC in the scapegoat category that's for sure.[/quote]

i really think part of the reason for that is the fact that campbell stays composed and isn't celebrating when he completes a 15 yard pass

landry on the other hand will stop a guy on a run play after he has gained nine yards and stand up and mug everyone like he just caught an int and returned it for 6

not to mention campbell is producing and lookin good, landry is gettin exposed more and more

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Outside of his obvious mistakes I thought LL was pretty solid yesterday.

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[quote=Mattyk72;636126]Yeah LL has taken over for JC in the scapegoat category that's for sure.[/quote]Landry has been on my shit list all year. He is strong in run support at times, but as I've said many times, his agressiveness suits him much better for strong safety. I loved him there when #21 was alive, but Landry has been a liability giving up big plays due to his lack of discipline ALL season. Most of all, he NEVER MAKES PLAYS (2 INTs in 40+ regular season starts). I just want to see the same measure of accountability applied to him that I see being applied to Carlos Rogers. Bottom line, he is the last line of defense. It is Job One of a free safety to prevent receivers from getting behind for easy scores. If Landry does his job, Brees doesn't drive 80 yards in a ridiculous 33 seconds to tie the game.

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Mike Sellers should be tossed to the sharks! Time to draft a fullback in the 6th round. The coaching staff needs to get on LL about biting on the fakes.

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ever since Sellers signed that contract, he hasn't been worth a rats ass

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Draft Tim Tebow to replace Sellers!

Seriously though, could Eddie Williams be a possible replacement for Sellers? I was a bit surprised to see Sellers get an extension. I thought he was actually a strong candidate to get cut this past summer

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[quote=mlmdub130;636133]i really think part of the reason for that is the fact that campbell stays composed and isn't celebrating when he completes a 15 yard pass

landry on the other hand will stop a guy on a run play after he has gained nine yards and stand up and mug everyone like he just caught an int and returned it for 6

not to mention campbell is producing and lookin good, landry is gettin exposed more and more[/quote]

Plus what the hell is this guy celebrating a tackle or hit when his team is 3 and 9. He should look at the game tape to see himself acting like an idiot in front of the coaches who I hope say something to him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;636116]Jeez... Landry sure is public enemy #1 lately huh

I get it to a point, but some of the (over)reactions are a bit over the top.[/quote]
I think a lot of his reactions are over the top. He could do a quick celebration like Fletcher or one of the d-linemen. Instead yesterday he's turned around waving to the crowd for what seemed like 10-15 seconds, after that 2nd and 10 he stopped after 7 yards he's clapping for the same amount of time, etc.

Get your head in the game, continue to make plays, and save your extended celebrations for the sideline or locker room. Someone must've said something to him because after that (or maybe the TDs) he stopped showboating so much.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;636193]Plus what the hell is this guy celebrating a tackle or hit when his team is 3 and 9. [B]He should look at the game tape to see himself acting like an idiot in front of the coaches who I hope say something to him[/B].[/quote]Part of my original point is that the coaches tolerate his woofing after making a tackle. The coaches have tolerated it all season. You don't see that crap in class organizations like NE, [I]because it is not tolerated there[/I]. The coaches need to set a tone that is policed by the veterans, and it's clearly not happening for Landry.

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Hard for a team to have accountability when a select few players and some of the coaches have a direct line to Danny Boy and others do not. How do you hold one of "the chosen few" accountable?

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[quote=SouperMeister;636306]Part of my original point is that the coaches tolerate his woofing after making a tackle. The coaches have tolerated it all season. You don't see that crap in class organizations like NE, [I]because it is not tolerated there[/I]. The coaches need to set a tone that is policed by the veterans, and it's clearly not happening for Landry.[/quote]

Not so sure about that, I've seen Vince Wilfork do plenty of woofing after making a play.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;636418]Hard for a team to have accountability when a select few players and some of the coaches have a direct line to Danny Boy and others do not. How do you hold one of "the chosen few" accountable?[/quote]

To this point. I really liked when Zorn came out and said that CP will play once he gets a full week of practice in. Granted, it took a concussion to get that statement out in the air. Nonetheless, I liked that Zorn took the moment to establish a clear line. I would like him to grow from that moment and establish it across the board, including Suisham, Landry, and a few others. Also, one can hope DS is seeing these young "nonames" like Ganther and others produce and realizes that he has to step back from personal / personnel involvement.

This could be a real turning point for the franchise under DS IF he allows the real world into his frame of reference.

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[quote=tryfuhl;636305]I think a lot of his reactions are over the top. He could do a quick celebration like Fletcher or one of the d-linemen. Instead yesterday he's turned around waving to the crowd for what seemed like 10-15 seconds, after that 2nd and 10 he stopped after 7 yards he's clapping for the same amount of time, etc.

Get your head in the game, continue to make plays, and save your extended celebrations for the sideline or locker room. Someone must've said something to him because after that (or maybe the TDs) he stopped showboating so much.[/quote]

I was talking about people's reactions here regarding LL.

Yeah the showboating is annoying I guess, but it's not a huge deal overall. I'm more concerned with him biting on double moves or not wrapping up on a tackle. If he wants to celebrate after a play I honestly don't have a huge problem with it. Plenty of guys do it. Devin Thomas gets pretty jacked after a play but I haven't heard anyone attacking him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;636456]I was talking about people's reactions here regarding LL.

Yeah the showboating is annoying I guess, but it's not a huge deal overall. I'm more concerned with him biting on double moves or not wrapping up on a tackle. If he wants to celebrate after a play I honestly don't have a huge problem with it. Plenty of guys do it. Devin Thomas gets pretty jacked after a play but I haven't heard anyone attacking him.[/quote]
Yeah I followed that.

I don't mind if he showboats if he blows a play up. I've seen him come into a tackle when the guy was already being pulled down from a LB and talk smack to the guy as he's still laying there for several seconds, even if it's a 6 yard run. That I definitely mind. He comes and knocks Brees on his ass like he did, don't mind it one bit.

Thomas gets jacked but he's a bit more classy about it, he's not in the CB's face after the play.

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I'm in agreement with your assessment, the coaches as well as the players need to be held accountable. For a coach to make it known to a player that tackling is less important than making big plays (like interceptions) is a mistake. It sends the wrong message and could be one of the reasons why we see such uneven play that goes without correction.

It further demonstrates how preferences are shown between players, this could be because the lack of depth forces coaches to play players who do not always carry out their proper assignment. Once you've sent the wrong message it's difficult to come back later and atempt to crack the whip.

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Maybe we should also pull a lineman out of a game after they allow a D lineman into the back field, pull our WR's when they drop a ball, bench JC when he throws a bad pass, etc... etc....

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[quote=firstdown;636519]Maybe we should also pull a lineman out of a game after they allow a D lineman into the back field, pull our WR's when they drop a ball, bench JC when he throws a bad pass, etc... etc....[/quote]

they shouldn't be pulled out of the game but when they come off the feild there outta be a coach lighting a fire under their ass

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[quote=mlmdub130;636521]they shouldn't be pulled out of the game but when they come off the feild there outta be a coach lighting a fire under their ass[/quote]
You know this does not happen how? I guess your looking for one of those clipboard slinging coaches.

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[quote=firstdown;636525]You know this does not happen how? I guess your looking for one of those clipboard slinging coaches.[/quote]

by being at the games and beinn able to see the sidelines, they don't have to sling clipboards but i wouldn't mind them spitting in their face while they are yelling at them if thats what you are talkin about

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Maybe I am showing my age, but can't we do without the showboating entirely? Riggins was awesome -- when he scored a TD (which he did often), he would jog over and hand the ball to the ref. When Darrell Green intercepted a pass, he would just jog over to the sidelines and let the offense take over. Art Monk was not known for his endzone celebrations. I miss those kind of players.

Separately, and back to the subject of accountability, I would like Landry to simply say, "You're right. I bit on a few plays, and they cashed in, and I let down my teammates. I will work even harder to make sure it doesn't happen again -- my team and the fans deserve it." For all the Suisam bashing going on, at least he stepped up and admitted he blew it. And Ethan Albright took the blame for a high snap (even though it wasn't). It is a mark or professionalism to admit to a mistake -- but perhaps as importantly, if players like Landry cannot even admit to having made them, how can we reasonably expect for them to learn from them?

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This is what happens when the Redskins draft a guy named Landry

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There's not much accountability b/c our coach doesn't have much authority to do anything. Right? He doesn't have control of his team. It's not his team, it's VC's and DS's. They let Zorn know that he's not going to be calling plays. Sure, Zorn controls some things but it's really not his team. Exhibit A, playcalling.

I think by cutting the kicker you send a message. A message that says, we're not going to accept losing. It's a harsh message but it's the NFL and it's not always fair. Do you think Jimmie Johnson, Belicheck, Parcells, Lombardi, etc would keep Suisham after costing the team 2 games in 3 weeks? They probably wouldn't. Someone's got to pay, and unfortunately it's the kicker in most cases, whether it's fair or not.

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[quote=calia;636532]Maybe I am showing my age, but can't we do without the showboating entirely? Riggins was awesome -- when he scored a TD (which he did often), he would jog over and hand the ball to the ref. When Darrell Green intercepted a pass, he would just jog over to the sidelines and let the offense take over. Art Monk was not known for his endzone celebrations. I miss those kind of players.

Separately, and back to the subject of accountability, I would like Landry to simply say, "You're right. I bit on a few plays, and they cashed in, and I let down my teammates. I will work even harder to make sure it doesn't happen again -- my team and the fans deserve it." For all the Suisam bashing going on, at least he stepped up and admitted he blew it. And Ethan Albright took the blame for a high snap (even though it wasn't). It is a mark or professionalism to admit to a mistake -- but perhaps as importantly, if players like Landry cannot even admit to having made them, how can we reasonably expect for them to learn from them?[/quote]

Or correct them. I agree.

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[quote=Mattyk72;636456]I was talking about people's reactions here regarding LL.

Yeah the showboating is annoying I guess, but it's not a huge deal overall. I'm more concerned with him biting on double moves or not wrapping up on a tackle. If he wants to celebrate after a play I honestly don't have a huge problem with it. Plenty of guys do it. Devin Thomas gets pretty jacked after a play but I haven't heard anyone attacking him.[/quote]


yea I actually enjoy him showing his emotions, reminds me alot of #21. The fact is he was drafted as a STRONG safety and he is a beast if they let him play his natural position but he is forced to play the FS because well we have no one else. Same situation as the Orakpo experiment @ LB. I don't understand why so many people are bitching

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[quote=calia;636532]Maybe I am showing my age, but can't we do without the showboating entirely? Riggins was awesome -- when he scored a TD (which he did often), he would jog over and hand the ball to the ref. When Darrell Green intercepted a pass, he would just jog over to the sidelines and let the offense take over. Art Monk was not known for his endzone celebrations. I miss those kind of players.

Separately, and back to the subject of accountability, I would like Landry to simply say, "You're right. I bit on a few plays, and they cashed in, and I let down my teammates. I will work even harder to make sure it doesn't happen again -- my team and the fans deserve it." For all the Suisam bashing going on, at least he stepped up and admitted he blew it. And Ethan Albright took the blame for a high snap (even though it wasn't). It is a mark or professionalism to admit to a mistake -- but perhaps as importantly, if players like Landry cannot even admit to having made them, how can we reasonably expect for them to learn from them?[/quote]

What about the Fun Bunch???

I miss the demonstrations. This game is about being excited, yeah, if you are 3-9 and you make a tackle after a 7 yard run that is stupid, but if you make a sack, a solid hit, whatever, get pumped, get everyone around you pumped.

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I don't know if this has been said in the multiple threads about Landry the last couple weeks, but unfortunately Landry is starting to look more and more like former cowboy Roy Williams. I think Williams was more consistent with wrapping up on a tackle instead of going for the knock out hit every single tackle attempt, but they both slowly were found out to be liability's on big pass plays more often than not. We truly need to look at finding a true free safety and switching Landry to his natural role of strong safety next year or otherwise this weakness in the secondary will continue to be exploited.

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One of Landry's biggest plays sunday actually is a good example of how unsound his play often is. On that sack of Brees, he never even got his hands on him from what I could see. It was another hit w/no rap. Brees almost stayed on his feet.

He had a big game yesterday save for a few plays. But when you're a free saftey you can't gamble when your team is up 7 & there's less than 2:00. I've thought that Landry has often been criticized unfairly this year for not "making plays" yet when he was out of the picture (literally if you're watching on tv) he was probably doing a great job. Now it seems the last 5 weeks or so he's getting out of position and/or taking chances to the detriment of the team. He's playing like Lavar at free safety!!!

something seems amiss a la 2006, when the secondary was getting beat at least once a week by a deep ball. That year the T. Friend article quoted an anonymous source about how the safety & secondary coaches instructed players differently. If what we're seeing lately isn't a coaching/scheme issue, it's at least a coaching/discipline issue.

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[quote=SmootSmack;636536]This is what happens when the Redskins draft a guy named Landry[/quote]
hahahaha

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Seriously though, could Eddie Williams be a possible replacement for Sellers? I was a bit surprised to see Sellers get an extension. I thought he was actually a strong candidate to get cut this past summer[/quote]

If we've learned ANYTHING this season, it's that we need younger blockers.

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[quote=firstdown;636519]Maybe we should also pull a lineman out of a game after they allow a D lineman into the back field, pull our WR's when they drop a ball, bench JC when he throws a bad pass, etc... etc....[/quote]

Ummm....NO.

Our starting linemen are already 3rd-stringer quality...pulling them will only get our QB killed.

Putting Collins in after Campbell throws a bad pass? That just tells the defense we WON'T be going deep.

Good intentions, bad idea though!

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[quote=freddyg12;636565]One of Landry's biggest plays sunday actually is a good example of how unsound his play often is. On that sack of Brees, he never even got his hands on him from what I could see. It was another hit w/no rap. Brees almost stayed on his feet.
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At first I thought that it was a very near whiff as well. Once they showed the replay that was pretty much right behind his angle, you see that he had to avoid some linemen to get through there and that's what caused the strangle approach to Brees.