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ok i know cutler is/was a decent qb in denver, but wtf is the deal with (almost)EVERYONE thinking he is a great qb? granted he has put up some good numbers but wtf everyone makes excuses for this guy i don't get it, i just watched sports center and they claim that 3 of the int's in the san fran game were not his fault(he threw 5), i'm sorry i guess i really don't see what everyone else does, i see this guy as a [B][U]mediocre qb and nothing more[/U][/B] seriously wtf has he done to get so much praise

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[quote=mlmdub130;624400]ok i know cutler is/was a decent qb in denver, but wtf is the deal with (almost)EVERYONE thinking he is a great qb? granted he has put up some good numbers but wtf everyone makes excuses for this guy i don't get it, i just watched sports center and they claim that 3 of the int's in the san fran game were not his fault(he threw 5), i'm sorry i guess i really don't see what everyone else does, i see this guy as a mediocre qb and nothing more [B]seriously wtf has he done to get so much praise[/B][/quote]

Get drafted in the first round.

Other than that I don't know why there is a fuss about him. I'm thankful we didn't give up what Chicago did to get him.

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He's a POS QB is what is wrong with him. There is no f'ing excuse for throwing 5 picks against the worst passing defense in the league...and to think people think this fool is better QB than JC.

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Kurt Warner threw 5 interceptions two weeks ago and threw for 5 TDs last week.

Guys like Warner, Favre and Cutler play to win games. They try to make the difficult throws instead of dumping off to a RB in the flat.

Cutler looked like crap last night but at the same time he can get hot and beat any team.
I will take him over JC everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

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He's Jeff George 2.0.. Tools that will make you drool but his talent and decision making fall well short of the level of his bravado. I think he's always going to be a guy who looks like he's about to turn the corner and then pull out a stinker like this. Like the old cliche, he's good enough to keep both teams in the game.

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Arrogant bastard who seriously thought he was better than Elway. He started believing what everyone was telling him and probably slacked off ie Tony Romo. He is young and talented a really bad year could help him, he could re commit himself.

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Yep, Cutler is good for sure but probably overrated too. I think he started believing his own press.

Can you imagine what the guy would have looked like behind our offensive line? Yikes!

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So happy I had him in Fantsay line up. Piece of crap!

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Thankyou vinnie cerrato for [b]not[/b] cutting a deal for cutler.....

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The deal is a QB can't do it all by himself.

That said Cutler is trying to do too much and it's killing them.

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[quote=mredskins;624423]So happy I had him in Fantsay line up. Piece of crap![/quote]

You and me both. I have Palmer and Cutler as my Fantasy QB's - Two weeks ago, I started Cutler he puts up ~10 and Palmer on the bench puts up 35. Last week, I start Palmer and he puts up ~10 and Cutler puts up 25. This week start Cutler b/c Palmer is playing the Steelers and he gets - 3 (and my opponent has Gore who put up 14).

Expect Palmer to have a huge day against the Steelers.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;624450]You and me both. I have Palmer and Cutler as my Fantasy QB's - Two weeks ago, I started Cutler he puts up ~10 and Palmer on the bench puts up 35. Last week, I start Palmer and he puts up ~10 and Cutler puts up 25. This week start Cutler b/c Palmer is playing the Steelers and he gets - 3 (and my opponent has Gore who put up 14).

Expect Palmer to have a huge day against the Steelers.[/quote]

I feel ya, I play musical chairs with one of my teams where I have Rogers and Schaub. No matter who I start the other one always puts up bigger numbers. F me.

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In Denver, Cutler had a good line, very good WR's, a coach who loved him and a system built for him. On top of that, he has some talent. In Chicago, he's got a crappy line and no name WR's (back when the trade was made someone here said that Cutler's WR's in Chicago would be putting big numbers by mid-season. Well, it's mid-season and the only "receivers" putting up big numbers are the DB's).

He's Brett Favre without as much arm strength, moxie or charisma.

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Cutler does have a laid back way about him and his body language at times doesn't exude much confidence.

I find the comparison to Jeff George interesting, but I don't think Cutler is that bad in terms of not giving a shit about being a leader. Still, I think the comparison is interesting.

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[quote=Paintrain;624416]He's Jeff George 2.0.. Tools that will make you drool but his talent and decision making fall well short of the level of his bravado. I think he's always going to be a guy who looks like he's about to turn the corner and then pull out a stinker like this. Like the old cliche, he's good enough to keep both teams in the game.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly as I watched the game last night. He's not a bad teamate like George was, but at the same time watch this guy in interviews, if you didn't know who he was you'd think he was a defendant that's trying poorly to lie about a crime he committed.

As for espn saying 3 of the picks "weren't his fault" I just hope they're not counting the one he threw near the goal line to the nose tackle. His reciever was so covered yet the nose guard got to the ball before the dbs.

I know he's talented; great arm strength & athleticism, but it appears he's got a lot of growing up to do to be a winning qb.

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[quote=jamf;624414]Kurt Warner threw 5 interceptions two weeks ago and threw for 5 TDs last week.

[B]Guys like Warner, Favre and Cutler play to win games. They try to make the difficult throws instead of dumping off to a RB in the flat.[/B]

Cutler looked like crap last night but at the same time he can get hot and beat any team.
I will take him over JC everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.[/quote]

Actually a couple of times last night, if Cutler had thrown some passes away or check down, he would have avoided some of those interceptions. Nice cliche, but QBs also have to be smart and Cutler is playing terrible ball.

I wouldn't take him or Campbell at this point. However, I would want a QB that takes care of the ball and makes smart decisions, we know JC is not that, but Cutler isn't either.

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[quote=jamf;624414]Kurt Warner threw 5 interceptions two weeks ago and threw for 5 TDs last week.

Guys like Warner, Favre and Cutler play to win games. They try to make the difficult throws instead of dumping off to a RB in the flat.

Cutler looked like crap last night but at the same time he can get hot and beat any team.
I will take him over JC everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.[/quote]

Agreed, plus look at his wr's NOT one of them is close to what we have. Teams know all he has is Olsen and they lock onto him anytime he gets inside the 20. Hell his best wr is a converted return man. Im sure he would take our wr's in a heartbeat over those scrubs he has now. Plus SF was on him most of the night.

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[quote=Ruhskins;624468]Actually a couple of times last night, if Cutler had thrown some passes away or check down, he would have avoided some of those interceptions. Nice cliche, but QBs also have to be smart and Cutler is playing terrible ball.

I wouldn't take him or Campbell at this point. However, I would want a QB that takes care of the ball and makes smart decisions, we know JC is not that, but Cutler isn't either.[/quote]

Well said.

I'm always amazed when people say they could live with someone throwing picks as long as they are throwing TDs or not checking the ball down. A good QB knows when to take chances and when to check it down. Cutler is not playing smart football.

I think it's easy for people to say they would take Cutler, but I really think those same people would be up in arms and ready to run him out of town if we had him and his 17 INTs right now. He's hurting the Bears more than he's helping them. He's on pace to throw 30 picks. That's insane.

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Its his first yr in the system :)
This excuse was brought to you by the JC supporters everywhere.

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This is going to sound like a strange response which many of you will likely be completely unable to appreciate, but I attribute some of his failures to being diabetic. As a diabetic, I like to think I can see things occurring with just his facial expressions to include the color and consistency of his face and eyes. If they are red, distressed, and even if his lips are chapped I can get an idea of whether he is having a good day as a diabetic or a poor day. Often the signs I see make me think he is having a bad day. A bad day means he is weaker than other days, that his eyes may be blurry, that his decision making may be impaired and that his reactions may not be as crisp. The NFL is about elite athletes and I'm sad to say I'd never pick up a diabetic to play in the NFL, even one who is well controlled, as the reality is that it is a rollercoaster that other equally talented athletes don't need to deal with. Simply for the money and the profession, it's just not worth the risk to roll the dice on someone who has a factor outside of everyone else that may cause him to have a bad day and it’s a factor that often he can only control so much. Basically, he may actually be the most talented and best QB in the NFL, but I honestly believe his medical condition will never showcase these skills consistently enough to make others believe it. That’s not to say that I personally think he is the most talented, but the reality is that we’ll never know.

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This is not a surprise to me. I knew he was erratic and didn't want him on the Skins. He's been proving me right all season. Sure he's had a couple of good games, but now he has a 5-INT game a 4-INT game and a 3-INT game this season. On the year, 17 INTs and 14 TDs.

Campbell is far more efficient and less-prone to mistakes, even without an offensive line. Cutler's line is nothing special, but Campbell has been sacked 6 more times even though he's a better runner than Cutler.

Cutler = 76.0 passer rating, 62.4 comp%, 17 INTs, 7 fumbles
Campbell = 86.5 passer rating, 66.2 comp%, 8 INTs, 8 fumbles (how many were Rabach's fault?) :D

Cutler has 9 INTs in the red zone in the past two years, more than double of ANY other QB in the NFL.

Cutler has 8 second-half INTs. Campbell has only 2 and has brought the team back from behind many times, even though we don't make it ALL the way back.

As for the Broncos, they're going to end up like the 2008 Skins...6-2, then 2-6 in the second half.

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[quote=Redskins;624476]This is going to sound like a strange response which many of you will likely be completely unable to appreciate, but I attribute some of his failures to being diabetic. As a diabetic, I like to think I can see things occurring with just his facial expressions to include the color and consistency of his face and eyes. If they are red, distressed, and even if his lips are chapped I can get an idea of whether he is having a good day as a diabetic or a poor day. Often the signs I see make me think he is having a bad day. A bad day means he is weaker than other days, that his eyes may be blurry, that his decision making may be impaired and that his reactions may not be as crisp. The NFL is about elite athletes and I'm sad to say I'd never pick up a diabetic to play in the NFL, even one who is well controlled, as the reality is that it is a rollercoaster that other equally talented athletes don't need to deal with. Simply for the money and the profession, it's just not worth the risk to roll the dice on someone who has a factor outside of everyone else that may cause him to have a bad day and it’s a factor that often he can only control so much. Basically, he may actually be the most talented and best QB in the NFL, but I honestly believe his medical condition will never showcase these skills consistently enough to make others believe it. That’s not to say that I personally think he is the most talented, but the reality is that we’ll never know.[/quote]

Interesting theory. I appreciate that you have some sympathy for his condition, but are able to look at it from a business perspective & say that you wouldn't invest heavily in him.

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In all fairness to Cutler some of those picks were not his fault. But no question he's been very careless w/ the ball this year and it's probably cost them some games.

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I think it was either Schefter or Peter King who tweeted that in one of those picks there the ref may have interfered with Devin Hester's route. I still can't believe that lineman that picked him off though, I mean one thing is when the pass is tipped and the lineman picks up in the air, but that guy went up to get the ball.

I wonder if a good GM would be able to steal a pick from the Bears for Santana Moss?

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I am tired of some today's QB's that throw for a ton of yards and they think they are better than past guys. The reality is the rules have changed to increase scoring and offense. You can not compare John Elway and other past greats to some of today's pretenders. You can not compare stats to stats. It is not apples to apples.
Rules like you can not touch a receiver after five yards, liberalizing certain types of holding for O-lineman and of course the now controversial QB protection rules like the Brady rule where you can not breath on a Qb with out getting a 15 yarder.
The NFL is turning the game in to a flag football league, a lot of passing and scoring to satisfy today's attention deficit disorder audience who only care or pay attention when a TD is scored.
They penalize good defense because it might cut into their ratings.

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I thought the bears would go after Chambers.

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[quote=skinsfan69;624488]In all fairness to Cutler some of those picks were not his fault. But no question he's been very careless w/ the ball this year and it's probably cost them some games.[/quote]

His crybaby and finger-pointing attitude with his teammates when it happens doesn't help either.

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[quote=Redskins;624476]This is going to sound like a strange response which many of you will likely be completely unable to appreciate, but I attribute some of his failures to being diabetic. As a diabetic, I like to think I can see things occurring with just his facial expressions to include the color and consistency of his face and eyes. If they are red, distressed, and even if his lips are chapped I can get an idea of whether he is having a good day as a diabetic or a poor day. Often the signs I see make me think he is having a bad day. A bad day means he is weaker than other days, that his eyes may be blurry, that his decision making may be impaired and that his reactions may not be as crisp. The NFL is about elite athletes and I'm sad to say I'd never pick up a diabetic to play in the NFL, even one who is well controlled, as the reality is that it is a rollercoaster that other equally talented athletes don't need to deal with. Simply for the money and the profession, it's just not worth the risk to roll the dice on someone who has a factor outside of everyone else that may cause him to have a bad day and it’s a factor that often he can only control so much. Basically, he may actually be the most talented and best QB in the NFL, but I honestly believe his medical condition will never showcase these skills consistently enough to make others believe it. That’s not to say that I personally think he is the most talented, but the reality is that we’ll never know.[/quote]

Interesting perspective. You may be right.

My issue with Cutler is from the intangibles standpoint. He never really shows any fire. I think to an extent a QB does have to be a bit of a rah rah guy. I mean, after one of the INTs, the camera showed Cutler laughing with what looked like an equipment guy on the sideline. He just seemed totally unaffected. Sure a few of the picks may not have been his fault, but two in the red zone were for sure, including one with the game on the line. He just doesn't seem to care.

Jay Cutler has been a punk since his days at Vandy (I'll never forget him mouthing off all game vs Florida in the Swamp and the cameras showing his father barking at some female Gator fans in the stands). The way he handled his departure from the Broncos pretty much confirmed that I'll never really give a sh*t about him.

I'm sure Josh McDaniels had a big grin when he saw Cutler's stat line from last night's game.

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[quote=mredskins;624423]So happy I had him in Fantsay line up. Piece of crap![/quote]

I'm glad I started SF defense in one of my leagues! However, Vernon Davis' 16 yards canceled out most of it. :D

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624475]Its his first yr in the system :)
This excuse was brought to you by the JC supporters everywhere.[/quote]

Well played. :)

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P.U.N.K. He reminds me of Jeff George. A guys with all the physical tools. Thinks his arm is so good he can throw it through defenders.

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Regarding his diabetes he supposedly has it under control now, no? Even then would that effect his decision making?

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;624525]P.U.N.K. He reminds me of Jeff George. A guys with all the physical tools. Thinks his arm is so good he can throw it through defenders.[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far. Maybe Jay Schreoder??

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[quote=Mattyk72;624460]Cutler does have a laid back way about him and his body language at times doesn't exude much confidence.

I find the comparison to Jeff George interesting, but I don't think Cutler is that bad in terms of not giving a shit about being a leader. Still, I think the comparison is interesting.[/quote]


You mean he looks like Ryan Leaf out there?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;624475]Its his first yr in the system :)
This excuse was brought to you by the JC supporters everywhere.[/quote]

:)


[quote=Ruhskins;624490]I wonder if a good GM would be able to steal a pick from the Bears for Santana Moss?[/quote]

They were dumb enough to take half of Arch's contract off our hands...

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I only watched a part of the third and the fouth quarter. The part of the game I saw, Cutler was horrific. He was throwing the ball up for grabs. There were at least two other throws that [I]should[/I] have been interceptions. His decision making was horrible. I have always felt that Campbell and Cutler were comparable in that, while their style of play, strengths & weaknesses are different, they are different in an equally mediocre way.

It's kinda like comparing an apples to orange but comparing a clearly mediocre apple to an equally mediocre orange.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;624568]They were dumb enough to take half of Arch's contract off our hands...[/quote]

Didn't they give a draft pick also? AND didn't they sign the wunderkind B. Lloyd after we cut him?

I like it when we deal with the Bears rather than the Broncos.

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He, like many other NFL QB's receive a lot of over-hyped praise when they do good for a while, and a lot of undue criticism when things go bad. When you do good things people talk good about you, when you do bad they say bad things. He'll probably bounce back, he just had one of those games.

I'm still glad we didn't sell the house to get him.

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cutler was fined $20,000 today, i'm guessing he isn't having a very good day. i'm so glad we didn't get him, i can't beleive the bears gave that much for him really does makes you wonder what we were offering

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[quote=JoeRedskin;624572]Didn't they give a draft pick also? AND didn't they sign the wunderkind B. Lloyd after we cut him?

I like it when we deal with the Bears rather than the Broncos.[/quote]

Dont think there was a draft pick involved but I'm not sure.

They did take Lloyd as well, but we ate his full deadcap amount. In Arch's case they actually took $5M of deadcap off our books.

I will one up your thoughts - I like it when we deal with the Bears rather than anyone else.