Running Game
 

What happened to it?

Re: Running Game
 

Portis went from superhuman to merely good behind an offensive line that can be overpowered, and commits a lot of procedure penalties and takes itself out of good running situations consistently.

Re: Running Game
 

A vet like yourself is coming with a weak thread like this?

C'mon saden you're slackin'.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Mattyk72;598809]A vet like yourself is coming with a weak thread like this?

C'mon saden you're slackin'.[/quote]I think it's an important issue. Though the original post could have been better.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Mattyk72;598809]A vet like yourself is coming with a weak thread like this?

C'mon saden you're slackin'.[/quote]

I'm watching the game right now on NFL Rewind, I really don't understand what Zorn is doing. I can understand if a good team stacking the box but this is the f'ing Lions. He is completely letting them dictate what he's doing. If they want to stack the box you don't abandon the run, you go with a two TE set all day long to get the f'ing running game going.

Re: Running Game
 

[QUOTE=saden1;598816]I'm watching the game right now on NFL Rewind, I really don't understand what Zorn is doing. I can understand if a good team stacking the box but this is the f'ing Lions. He is completely letting them dictate what he's doing. [B]If they want to stack the box you don't abandon the run, you go with a two TE set all day long to get the f'ing running game going.[/[/B]QUOTE]

The only offensive success they have had all season has been in the passing game, including yesterday. They are bad up front, having Fred Davis in the game isn't going to change that.

Re: Running Game
 

Let's run left behind samuels

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=djnemo65;598818][quote=saden1;598816]I'm watching the game right now on NFL Rewind, I really don't understand what Zorn is doing. I can understand if a good team stacking the box but this is the f'ing Lions. He is completely letting them dictate what he's doing. [B]If they want to stack the box you don't abandon the run, you go with a two TE set all day long to get the f'ing running game going.[/[/B]QUOTE]

The only offensive success they have had all season has been in the passing game, including yesterday. They are bad up front, having Fred Davis in the game isn't going to change that.[/quote]

If you can't run the ball you don't win. I refuse to believe we can't run the ball all of a sudden. We're the same god damn team we were last year. We can run the ball, the problem is when you call running plays. Zorn is shit. Watching this game makes me sick.

Zero rushing yards at halftime? Against the Lions?

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=tryfuhl;598821]Let's run left behind samuels[/quote]

Hey you should coach the skins with that creative thinking

Re: Running Game
 

we have definitely abandoned the running game, and the o line is terrible at run blocking, but i also feel that portis is losing a step.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=GTripp0012;598810]I think it's an important issue. Though the original post could have been better.[/quote]

Yeah that's all I'm sayin'

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=saden1;598822]If you can't run the ball you don't win. I refuse to believe we can't run the ball all of a sudden. We're the same god damn team we were last year. We can run the ball, the problem is when you call running plays. Zorn is shit. Watching this game makes me sick.

Zero rushing yards at halftime? Against the Lions?[/quote]It's not all of a sudden. We haven't done anything on the ground since the[I] last[/I] Lions game.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=saden1;598822][quote=djnemo65;598818]

If you can't run the ball you don't win. I refuse to believe we can't run the ball all of a sudden. We're the same god damn team we were last year. We can run the ball, the problem is when you call running plays. Zorn is shit. Watching this game makes me sick.

Zero rushing yards at halftime? Against the Lions?[/quote]

You mean the first half last season when the play calling was working? Or do you mean the second half when we fell apart in every offensive facet? I think you are right that we are the same team as last year, just the wrong half. The playcalling has been awful but I have to think it's a lot more complicated than just deciding we are going to run better.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=saden1;598816]I'm watching the game right now on NFL Rewind, I really don't understand what Zorn is doing. I can understand if a good team stacking the box but this is the f'ing Lions. He is completely letting them dictate what he's doing. If they want to stack the box you don't abandon the run, you go with a two TE set all day long to get the f'ing running game going.[/quote]

I totally hear you.

We're not going to win very many games if we can't get the running game cranked up. It's been embarrassing so far.

Re: Running Game
 

And I'm getting quoted for things I didn't write. Just so everyone knows, I'm not some loon arguing with himself here.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Mattyk72;598847]I totally hear you.

We're not going to win very many games if we can't get the running game cranked up. It's been embarrassing so far.[/quote]Lots of teams win with a passing game like ours and good defense.

But we either need to be a complete offense or a complete defense to compete with the struggles of the opposing unit. Right now, we're a one trick pony. And it's shaping up a LOT like the 2006 season.

Except that team could run the ball.

Re: Running Game
 

no depth on the OL and a lot fewer carries to get into a rhythm

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=GTripp0012;598854]Lots of teams win with a passing game like ours and good defense.

But we either need to be a complete offense or a complete defense to compete with the struggles of the opposing unit. Right now, we're a one trick pony. And it's shaping up a LOT like the 2006 season.

Except that team could run the ball.[/quote]

Sure if the D comes alive we could definitely win games that way.

Re: Running Game
 

The cold, hard truth is this is not a good running team anymore. I mean, we don't have the horses up front, Portis isn't quite what he used to be, Betts isn't anything to write home about, and the scheme simply has not set the run up very well. And I think the pressure of the situation going into the Lions game caused Zorn to try to establish the pass first. I don't think he has abandoned the run, per se. I just think he wanted to establish the passing game first because of how ineffective the run has been.

I actually give him credit for coming out passing first. This team is just out of snych all the way around.

Re: Running Game
 

:lol: Sure djnemo65, sure. Man, how many times have I been alone in my room saying the exact same thing.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=12thMan;598859][b]The cold, hard truth is this is not a good running team anymore. I mean, we don't have the horses up front, Portis isn't quite what he used to be, Betts isn't anything to write home about, and the scheme simply has not set the run up very well.[/b] [/quote]

Dead on!
I think the blocking is OK, but Portis has lost a step people.

Re: Running Game
 

For the record, I think the biggest single difference is that Portis is not the explosive player he once was.

There are other minor differences (Cooley was a better blocker last year, for example), but we need an explosive runner to get in behind this line and make it work.

Portis offers a lot of value to a pass-first team with his disciplined running style and effort he puts in on pass blocking. And he'll probably be the starting running back in 2010 as well. But it's time to find the next great Redskins' back. And no, Mason and Alridge don't count.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=djnemo65;598848]And I'm getting quoted for things I didn't write. Just so everyone knows, I'm not some loon arguing with himself here.[/quote]
is there another style of loon you would prefer to be?

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Mattyk72;598809]A vet like yourself is coming with a weak thread like this?

C'mon saden you're slackin'.[/quote]

It's because he's a lazy good for nothin liberal :D

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Big C;598834]we have definitely abandoned the running game, and the o line is terrible at run blocking, but [B]i also feel that portis is losing a step.[/B][/quote]

I also believe this is true, however, I feel that the team and some of the fans still believe Portis is still that playmaker he was a couple of years ago. I know part of it is the line, but part of it is CP.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=saden1;598822][quote=djnemo65;598818]

If you can't run the ball you don't win. I refuse to believe we can't run the ball all of a sudden. We're the same god damn team we were last year. We can run the ball, the problem is when you call running plays. Zorn is shit. Watching this game makes me sick.

Zero rushing yards at halftime? Against the Lions?[/quote]

Okay say let's see. Jansen gone. Kendall gone. Thomas hurt. Then we wonder why our O-line isn't doing squat. They were old but experieinced. Our O-line is horrible. Lets be honest. Just the offseason experiments alone should tell you that. I can recall Buges saying Rinehart was horrible. But then he cahnged his tune to say he is doing better.

You can't win with a patchwork inexperienced O-line in the NFL. I never. I mean never remembered a time where we could run the ball. When CP got holes he made big games. So I dont think its him. Liek I said in a post the other day. Get up run into a wall. Then open a door and see which one is easier. lol

Say CP is the problem. If Betts plays he wont produce. Rock? Let's not go there. Mason and Alridge is what's left. SO CP is our best option. If anyoen thinks Betts can produce than they are dillusional. Just liek the peopel who want Todd Collins to start. Do you see the comparisons between the two.

Both had decent seasons when they came in to fill in years ago. But they both are past their prime with no upside. This system isn't really built for either one of them. Betts or Collins. What a mess!! now that I think abotu it. I am about to get on teh Cerrato must go band wagon as I am typing this.

Re: Running Game
 

I still haven't figured out how responsible a running back is for the actual success of a running game in relation to the quality of the O-Line. I know that there are O-Line's that can make any running back look good (Chiefs line during the Holmes/LJ era) and then there are Running Backs that make their O-Lines look better then they are (a la the Lions with Kevin Smith this past Sunday).

However with that said I don't think Portis is the type that can go above and beyond the call of duty. Then again it takes longer for O-Lines to gel and usually most running games don't hit their peek until the end of the year. So with that said there's still time but I wouldn't say it's exactly promising.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;599095]However with that said I don't think Portis is the type that can go above and beyond the call of duty. .[/quote]

I think he has and that is the problem. Since he has been here he has been a workhorse. We have ran him into the ground. That being said I think he still has some left in the tank. Anytime he can tie Landry in a race he must still has some speed. Endurance I don't know about that. But the O-line is garbage. Plain and simple. When they start playing better you will see. Not too many RBs can run without a O-line besides Barry Sanders.

Re: Running Game
 

Anyone who has watched the games this season , how can you blame Portis for our struggles in the running game. He has no space when he gets the ball. Our O-line most of the time are on the ground or pushed in the back field. We better try spreading teams out which may give him more space to beat 1 defender. Portis may have lost a step but he will run for tough yards if he has some holes. It is clearly the O-Line has struggle to run block. Example 4th 1 back to back games and can't get any push.

Re: Running Game
 

So which is? Portis and the backs, Oline and there issues, or Zorn,Buges, and coaching staff? Id say the most likely the Oline. The right side is garbage trying to run the ball. But I would also say we mos def need someone new back there running the ball. Portis and Betts are similar runners, we need somebody who is quicker out of the backfield. Im in favor of giving Mason, Aldridge more carries to see what we have, and if we can improve and I completely support a using one of the first pics on someone new (the other on a lineman of course).

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Chico23231;599121]So which is? Portis and the backs, Oline and there issues, or Zorn,Buges, and coaching staff? Id say the most likely the Oline. The right side is garbage trying to run the ball. But I would also say we mos def need someone new back there running the ball. Portis and Betts are similar runners, we need somebody who is quicker out of the backfield. Im in favor of giving Mason, Aldridge more carries to see what we have, and if we can improve and I completely support a using one of the first pics on someone new (the other on a lineman of course).[/quote]

The Oline and Zorn. Zorn calls the same stretch play ever 1st down. The D knows what is coming. Oline is not blocking anyone.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=jsarno;598866]Dead on!
I think the blocking is OK, but Portis has lost a step people.[/quote]:doh:

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;599234]:doh:[/quote]

You are obviously under the assumption that the blocking piss poor then? I'm not saying we are blocking at a very good pace, but it's OK...average. It absolutely should be better, but we should also have a running back that can hit the holes considering what he's getting paid.

Re: Running Game
 

The blocking has been mediocre at best (short yardage though has been brutal). The bigger issue is the offense hasn't been on the field long enough to establish the run.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=jsarno;599483]You are obviously under the assumption that the blocking piss poor then? I'm not saying we are blocking at a very good pace, but it's OK...average. It absolutely should be better, but we should also have a running back that can hit the holes considering what he's getting paid.[/quote]

NO assumptions. We had [B]0[/B] yard rushing in the first half. Let me repeat that [B]0[/B]. We are not playing the Ravens or Pittsburgh when Polomalu (excuse my spelling) is there. When you can't get a yard or open a hole it is piss poor. We were playing the Detroit Lions.

Your words: "we should also have a running back that can hit the holes considering what he's getting paid"

You act like Portis has been a bum his whole career or is a rookie who is just starting to learn how to run the ball. There is no hole. The O-line gets bitched on running plays. I wont even address this anymore. Because you obviously dont get it. Even if you think Portis has lost a step. He knows how to hit a hole. Now taking it the distance is something totally different. Further more he is running the plays the way they are supposed to be run. We shoud be runing up the middle. But our O-line is not that good to even do that. Its patchwork at best. I think you are in denial.

Re: Running Game
 

It seems Philly's short yardage problems last year has transferred over to the Skins' red zone running game.

Re: Running Game
 

Bad blocking, same running plays, average running backs. Our change of pace rb is a slower Portis who doesnt run as hard. That 4th and 1 run was beyond pathetic, Portis fell down. He wasnt tackled, HE FELL DOWN.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=Zerohero;599578]Bad blocking, same running plays, average running backs. Our change of pace rb is a slower Portis who doesnt run as hard. That 4th and 1 run was beyond pathetic, Portis fell down. He wasnt tackled, HE FELL DOWN.[/quote]

Actually I think he got shoe string tackled. Sayign that the O-line should have blocked better. I agree with everything you said besides that and Clinton is a little above average. But our O-line would makes anyone look average. But you are correct. All Betts is good for is catching the ball out the backfield. But we all know the Betts Rock lovefest will continue.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;599584]Actually I think he got shoe string tackled. Sayign that the O-line should have blocked better. I agree with everything you said besides that and Clinton is a little above average. But our O-line would makes anyone look average. But you are correct. All Betts is good for is catching the ball out the backfield. But we all know the Betts Rock lovefest will continue.[/quote]

Thats kind of the point, on a 1 yard play you dont go down on a shoestring attempt of a tackle. It's just pessimism on my part, right now everything looks bad and everyone sucks. All seriousness, Clinton does not have it anymore, and i think last years fast start was more on the Oline healthy and clicking.

Re: Running Game
 

[quote=saden1;598806]What happened to it?[/quote]


In the opening game against the Giants Portis broke off 34 yds. and the running game has been virtually non existent since that time.

The running game has no versatility, I've only seen one running play and that's portis left. This is not going to change because every team in the league knows we're going to run left. Show run formation, defenses slant to their right, play over. Run game needs an influx of creativity.