Offensive Line and Depth
 

There have been recent concerns about our offensive line given the recent cuts and of course what happened at the end of last season. I wanted to start a discussion about the offensive line, its depth, and to take a closer look our 2nd string offensive line (which I knew little about). Also I wanted to ask some general questions for discussion regarding this topic.

Our 2nd string line according to the depth chart in Redskins.com (I know it is probably not the final depth chart, but I had to start somewhere). I also threw some "pros" about these guys (since we can all come up with cons).

(LT) D'Anthony Batiste 6'4"/314lbs/age 27/3rd yr. Started 4 games at guard; has had stints with Dallas and Carolina.

(LG) Edwin Williams 6'3"/315lbs/age 22/Rookie. 3-yr starter at UMD/1st team All-ACC in 2008; can play guard and center.

(C) Will Montgomery 6'3"/305lbs/age 23/3rd yr. Has played 13 games, 6 as starter (as a rookie played 6 games, started 4 games with Panthers).

(RG) Chad Rinehart 6'5"/310lbs/age 24/2nd yr. Got a lot of reps during training camp in R. Thomas' absence, and has played with 1st-team o-line this preseason.

(RT) Mike Williams 6'6"/337lbs/age 29/5 yrs. Praised by coaching staff in his run blocking.

The best case scenario is of course that none of these guys see the field as starters. If one were to start, who would you pick? Do you think that one of these guys playing with the starters would be a big drop off in production?

A lot of people are criticizing the team for not having enough depth in the 2nd team. I am curious to know what people would respond to the following questions:

- Buges (of course) has an opinion on the decision of who stays with the team and makes the roster in regards to the o-line. With that in mind, is his decision to keep these guys as the 2nd team should be a cause of concern on his ability to judge talent?

- Would the team cut a guy like Bridges, if Buges would have wanted to keep him? If not, what would you say at the possibility that Buges picked these guys over Bridges?

- Realisticly, what type of player would add better depth to this group?

- Do you think that having a guy like Michael Oher instead of Batiste or Williams (and having the rest of the back ups the same) would solve any depth concerns?

- This entire 2nd string line is under 30 years old...is this a good thing because they are infusing youth or a bad thing because they lack experience.

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Our O-Line startes are above average players, but its the what if game. Every team has lack of depth at the O-line postion thats why you have to draft lineman to get a good quality back up. I do believe that next years draft O-line will be a big priority when we draft, i'm talking 1st or 2nd round selects.

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[quote=skins89moss;585280]Our O-Line startes are above average players, but its the what if game. Every team has lack of depth at the O-line postion thats why you have to draft lineman to get a good quality back up. I do believe that next years draft O-line will be a big priority when we draft, i'm talking 1st or 2nd round selects.[/quote]

Yes but not every team has to face Ware, Osi, Tuck, and whatever 5th round pick the Eagles feel like turning into a double digit sack player.

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One thing I notice is they're young and big. That's a good start. I'll take Buges decisions, I think he knows what he's doing. If I had to pick one to start, it would probably be Rinehart. I think he's ready and will get better with more playing time. This is the thing that I think people are overlooking....Playing all these guys at the same time gives the impression that they're not very good. But they're never going to be all playing at the same time. Plug one of these guys in with the starters and all of a sudden they look better. There is a reason for that. It's harder for any one player to play on a bad line than a good line. Put one in with the starters and they're job is not as hard and they step up. Buges isn't stupid, he knows as a group they may not be that good but he isn't going to play them as a group. They each have something he obviously likes just like Heyer did and now he's starting. I'll admit that my biggest fear is that Samuels goes down, but there is no certainty that he'll be out for a significant amount of time this year so I'm not ready to panic about it. It's a concern but at this point I think we're in better shape than we've been in awhile and I think we're headed in the right direction. Could we be better? Sure, but I like that we have young guys like Montgomery, Edwin Williams and Rinehart on the team. Nice thread Ruh!

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Well other teams have back up players that step in and continue to play well so why can't our team. We just can't afford 2 and 3 starters from our O-line to miss games all at once that would be a serious problem. I like our starting O-line lets just Pray they stay healthy for a entire season.

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There's 2 more things I'd like to add. 1- I was disappointed Bridges was cut. After reading what the coaches had to say, not so much. Bridges didn't really play that well and the coaches didn't want him to impede the progress of the young guys. I like that they want and expect them to improve. 2- I had Batiste as one of my first cuts. I wasn't impressed by him at all. Then again I didn't see him practice every day like the coaches did. They are very impressed with his footwork and size. If he has good footwork Buges can probably help him become a decent LT. It's worth a shot anyway, we're not going to go out and sign a bunch of all-pro's at this point. One more thing. I wasn't one of the people who thought Mike Williams was just going to come in and start at RT. He hasn't played in 4 years and had to lose over 100 lb's. But given some time he might still contribute.

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I would be much more comfortable with this group if the Skins would bring in a veteran OT for depth. I admire what Mike Williams has accomplished but I wonder if he's ready if called upon.

I we had drafted Oher he would have been our starting RT. Heyer would have been the backup at both OT positions. That would have been a very good thing, IMO.

For some reason, I'm not concerned about our depth at C and G.

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Excellent, well thought out thread.

[quote=Ruhskins;585271]There have been recent concerns about our offensive line given the recent cuts and of course what happened at the end of last season. I wanted to start a discussion about the offensive line, its depth, and to take a closer look our 2nd string offensive line (which I knew little about). Also I wanted to ask some general questions for discussion regarding this topic.

Our 2nd string line according to the depth chart in Redskins.com (I know it is probably not the final depth chart, but I had to start somewhere). I also threw some "pros" about these guys (since we can all come up with cons).


(LT) D'Anthony Batiste 6'4"/314lbs/age 27/3rd yr. Started 4 games at guard; has had stints with Dallas and Carolina.

(LG) Edwin Williams 6'3"/315lbs/age 22/Rookie. 3-yr starter at UMD/1st team All-ACC in 2008; can play guard and center.

(C) Will Montgomery 6'3"/305lbs/age 23/3rd yr. Has played 13 games, 6 as starter (as a rookie played 6 games, started 4 games with Panthers).

(RG) Chad Rinehart 6'5"/310lbs/age 24/2nd yr. Got a lot of reps during training camp in R. Thomas' absence, and has played with 1st-team o-line this preseason.

(RT) Mike Williams 6'6"/337lbs/age 29/5 yrs. Praised by coaching staff in his run blocking.
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It's good that they are all over 300lbs, and all under 30. I think MWilliams is really the only boom/bust scenario, and with the efforts he has made not only with his weight and body, but with his technique and training, it's worth taking the shot with him. Batiste still worries me, I didn't see a lot on the field, but as you point out, the coaches see so much more and work with the guys so hopefully their call is correct.

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The best case scenario is of course that none of these guys see the field as starters. If one were to start, who would you pick? Do you think that one of these guys playing with the starters would be a big drop off in production?
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For the guard spot, Rhinehart is obviously qualified. He played a lot of first team snaps while Thomas was out, and seemed to hold up well.

Center is solid I believe with Montgomery

Tackles - fountain of youth would be nice for Samuels. I don't think any one of these guys steps in and steps up, so both running and passing will decline. But not many teams have a probowl left tackle backing up a probowl left tackle, so you do what you can to minimize wear and tear. If we have a safe lead going into 4th quarters, I would pull him out every chance I could.
as for RT, I think Williams will have to fill in (maybe Batiste on obvious passing downs).

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A lot of people are criticizing the team for not having enough depth in the 2nd team. I am curious to know what people would respond to the following questions:

- Buges (of course) has an opinion on the decision of who stays with the team and makes the roster in regards to the o-line. With that in mind, is his decision to keep these guys as the 2nd team should be a cause of concern on his ability to judge talent?
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I like Buges, but if the backups can't hold their own again this year, I think he has to take the lion share of blame. He has been outspoken in his praise of all the line, especially Rabach. And I think he knows he needs a backup LT, but hasn't made his case well enough to get the right player(LJ) in here.

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- Would the team cut a guy like Bridges, if Buges would have wanted to keep him? If not, what would you say at the possibility that Buges picked these guys over Bridges?
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If a position coach wants one player over another, and money isn't a deciding factor - I don't imagine it would be in Bridges case- then he ought to get who he wants. I think this is the line and backups Buges wanted, he will be responsible for the unit's cohesive play this year. I am not saying individual players are not held accountable obviously once on the field each player has to stand on his own merit BUT Buges put these lines together and he has been in the league long enough to know where his responsibility starts and ends

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- Realisticly, what type of player would add better depth to this group?
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the only type of player would be a left guard of proven caliber- not too worried about injury history, as the goal would be to get up to 3 good games from the player so as to give Samuels a true healing opportunity. I think Samuels was rushed back several times last year in the hopes he was good to go. When/if he gets hurt, it would be nice for the line to function well enough that he can heal "fully"
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- Do you think that having a guy like Michael Oher instead of Batiste or Williams (and having the rest of the back ups the same) would solve any depth concerns?
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Oher would have stepped in at RT, this would have let Heyer focus on backing up Samuels. I would have been content.
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- This entire 2nd string line is under 30 years old...is this a good thing because they are infusing youth or a bad thing because they lack experience.[/quote]

Great thing. Our line should have an excellent opportunity to grow and create a cohesive unit. This is a very big positive to me.

Again excellent thread, well thought out points and great questions.
Thanks Ruhskins.

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Apparently Pashos signed with SF. Wanted the opportunity to start.
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[quote=Ruhskins;585271]There have been recent concerns about our offensive line given the recent cuts and of course what happened at the end of last season. I wanted to start a discussion about the offensive line, its depth, and to take a closer look our 2nd string offensive line (which I knew little about). Also I wanted to ask some general questions for discussion regarding this topic.

Our 2nd string line according to the depth chart in Redskins.com (I know it is probably not the final depth chart, but I had to start somewhere). I also threw some "pros" about these guys (since we can all come up with cons).

(LT) D'Anthony Batiste 6'4"/314lbs/age 27/3rd yr. Started 4 games at guard; has had stints with Dallas and Carolina.

(LG) Edwin Williams 6'3"/315lbs/age 22/Rookie. 3-yr starter at UMD/1st team All-ACC in 2008; can play guard and center.

(C) Will Montgomery 6'3"/305lbs/age 23/3rd yr. Has played 13 games, 6 as starter (as a rookie played 6 games, started 4 games with Panthers).

(RG) Chad Rinehart 6'5"/310lbs/age 24/2nd yr. Got a lot of reps during training camp in R. Thomas' absence, and has played with 1st-team o-line this preseason.

(RT) Mike Williams 6'6"/337lbs/age 29/5 yrs. Praised by coaching staff in his run blocking.

The best case scenario is of course that none of these guys see the field as starters. If one were to start, who would you pick? Do you think that one of these guys playing with the starters would be a big drop off in production?

A lot of people are criticizing the team for not having enough depth in the 2nd team. I am curious to know what people would respond to the following questions:

- Buges (of course) has an opinion on the decision of who stays with the team and makes the roster in regards to the o-line. With that in mind, is his decision to keep these guys as the 2nd team should be a cause of concern on his ability to judge talent?

- Would the team cut a guy like Bridges, if Buges would have wanted to keep him? If not, what would you say at the possibility that Buges picked these guys over Bridges?

- Realisticly, what type of player would add better depth to this group?

-[B] Do you think that having a guy like Michael Oher instead of Batiste or Williams (and having the rest of the back ups the same) would solve any depth concerns?[/B]

- This entire 2nd string line is under 30 years old...is this a good thing because they are infusing youth or a bad thing because they lack experience.[/quote]


I look at it like this:
If we had drafted Oher, then yes our OL situation would have been more secure then it is now. Because we could have gotten rid of Batiste and maybe even mike williams.
But the problem is that we wouldn't have a great young star OLB/DE in Orakpo. I look at it like this, the steelers had an awful OL last year, but a Great defense. They won/got to the Super Bowl, because Defense wins championships, and they won it with one of the worst OL's in super bowl history. I still would have picked Orakpo adding a great pass rusher to an already great Defense making our Defense that much better, than getting a RT to help our OL, which isn't the whole problem of our offense. Now had Orakpo had been selected, then yeah, I wouldn't of hesitated to get Oher. Had they both of been gone, then I would of gotten Alex Mack, because our G/C position is shaky.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;585363]I look at it like this:
If we had drafted Oher, then yes our OL situation would have been more secure then it is now. Because we could have gotten rid of Batiste and maybe even mike williams.
But the problem is that we wouldn't have a great young star OLB/DE in Orakpo. I look at it like this, the steelers had an awful OL last year, but a Great defense. They won/got to the Super Bowl, because Defense wins championships, and they won it with one of the worst OL's in super bowl history. I still would have picked Orakpo adding a great pass rusher to an already great Defense making our Defense that much better, than getting a RT to help our OL, which isn't the whole problem of our offense. Now had Orakpo had been selected, then yeah, I wouldn't of hesitated to get Oher. Had they both of been gone, then I would of gotten Alex Mack, because our G/C position is shaky.[/quote]

I totally agree. If we had taken Oher, the OL would be much more solid right now. That said, I'm quite happy that we got Rak instead.

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This team can weather injuries to the interior OL. To the tackles, not so much. We'd lose the same section of the playbook we lost last year.

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It's pretty obvious that Batiste is ahead of Mike Williams in the injury pecking order right now.

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[quote=53Fan;585288]One thing I notice is they're young and big. That's a good start. I'll take Buges decisions, I think he knows what he's doing. If I had to pick one to start, it would probably be Rinehart. I think he's ready and will get better with more playing time. This is the thing that I think people are overlooking....Playing all these guys at the same time gives the impression that they're not very good. But they're never going to be all playing at the same time. Plug one of these guys in with the starters and all of a sudden they look better. There is a reason for that. It's harder for any one player to play on a bad line than a good line. Put one in with the starters and they're job is not as hard and they step up. Buges isn't stupid, he knows as a group they may not be that good but he isn't going to play them as a group. They each have something he obviously likes just like Heyer did and now he's starting. I'll admit that my biggest fear is that Samuels goes down, but there is no certainty that he'll be out for a significant amount of time this year so I'm not ready to panic about it. It's a concern but at this point I think we're in better shape than we've been in awhile and I think we're headed in the right direction. Could we be better? Sure, but I like that we have young guys like Montgomery, Edwin Williams and Rinehart on the team. Nice thread Ruh![/quote]

Good post...You bring out some very interesting points, some of which Zorn touched on last week in one of his PC's. It' difficult to actually make a complete evaluation of the OL depth when they are all inserted simultaneously, inserting them individually with starters gives you a better opportunity to guage their performances.

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Good thread Ruhskins, I'm still shocked that Bastiste made it over Bridges even though I wasn't there to see every practice. I won't judge the O-line depth unless they play (hope not) because I trust Buges is doing the right thing. Time will tell.

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I would hesitate to say that we have depth because of the lack of solid talent. We have backups on our OL but we did not observe and address our OL problems from last year.

Prayer is not a football fundamental.

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I will say tho that if one of our first two draft picks next year in the draft isn't an OLineman, I will say with confidence that we will not make the playoffs that year and question my allegiance towards the skins. (it's just so hard for me to say I will not be a redskins fan ever again, because I just simply love them too much). So Zorn, Snyder, Cerrato, you better pick an OL with one of your first 2 picks in the draft or I'll be...pissed. Haha

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Really nice thread Ruh! It's funny when I see a thread like this one, which should engender solid discussion and a lot of interest, and then there's not that many who toss in their two cents.

My intuition right meow is our oline probably (still) constitutes the weakest group on the team. I agree our starters are above average; however we won't know how far above until this Sunday. Has Christ lost a step since last year? Can the left side be dominant both run/pass blocking? Is Randy healthy enough to blaze a trail? Can Heyer last for several games w/o another weird injury?

Unfortunately it looks like if either tackle goes down or our underwhelming center the line will really struggle, as will the offense. That's just a recipe for disaster IMO and one that should have the FO answering some tough questions. How can a team spend $42 mil guaranteed to one player but neglect what was easily the weakest group from the previous season (I know, I know we got Dock back whee-ha)? In fact I really believe our line was the worst in football by the end of the season: slow, small and old (and always creating the shittiest penalty situations). Not sure how much that will have changed this year.

If I had to pick a single backup to take-over, like 53 said it would be Rinehart. Eventually he's got to take that spot anyway. He seems to be pretty healthy. He also seems to like blazing a trail once comfortable w/ the assignment.

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[quote=The Goat;585544]Has Christ lost a step since last year?[/quote]

Last I heard, no. Apparently Moses has though.

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I guess the coaches then think Bridges was worth his veteran salary and kept a younger cheaper player in Bastiste and Mike Willams. Why hasn't Pete Kendall been sign to be a back up guard?

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[quote=The Goat;585544]Really nice thread Ruh! It's funny when I see a thread like this one, which should engender solid discussion and a lot of interest, and then there's not that many who toss in their two cents. [/quote]
good point, discussion or arguing, I think arguing gets more passion and response

[quote][B]My intuition right [U]meow[/U][/B] [/quote]

Wow, I cant stop laughing on this one! don't know why, but I see a goat meowing, and I bust out laughing

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[quote=The Goat;585544]Really nice thread Ruh! It's funny when I see a thread like this one, which should engender solid discussion and a lot of interest, and then there's not that many who toss in their two cents.

My intuition right meow is our oline probably (still) constitutes the weakest group on the team. I agree our starters are above average; however we won't know how far above until this Sunday. Has Christ lost a step since last year? Can the left side be dominant both run/pass blocking? Is Randy healthy enough to blaze a trail? Can Heyer last for several games w/o another weird injury?

Unfortunately it looks like if either tackle goes down or our underwhelming center the line will really struggle, as will the offense. That's just a recipe for disaster IMO and one that should have the FO answering some tough questions. How can a team spend $42 mil guaranteed to one player but neglect what was easily the weakest group from the previous season (I know, I know we got Dock back whee-ha)? In fact I really believe our line was the worst in football by the end of the season: slow, small and old (and always creating the shittiest penalty situations). Not sure how much that will have changed this year.

If I had to pick a single backup to take-over, like 53 said it would be Rinehart. Eventually he's got to take that spot anyway. He seems to be pretty healthy. He also seems to like blazing a trail once comfortable w/ the assignment.[/quote]

I think the only way we made a definite change, is we got younger on our front 5. The backups will get tested, and if they again fail - like last years group did, then we will see another melt down. I am slightly more optimistic about this years group because we don't have any geriatric cases like last year, but our best season will be if we can have an injury free year. Before anyone nay says that, remember that the Giants have had their starters together and healthy for 3 years running. Surely we are due for 1 good year. I also think Zorn learned a huge lesson last year, and will pay more attention to the frontline health then maybe he did last year.

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I know Samuels is getting old, and he's getting old pretty fast. He was out a lot last year, but there are two things I'd like to bring up that make me feel OK with the LT position.

I know there's not a solid backup at this point, but 1)Samuels did a rigorous off-season workout plan with some of the other linemen, lost some weight, and has stayed healthy this preseason. 2) I liked Pete Kendall and he seemed like a stand-up guy. But Samuels now has Dock next to him, and Dock's a good upgrade over Kendall. Samuels n Dock had some great chemistry during Dock's first stint,and it might take a little bit of pressure off Samuels with the better guard nex to him.

Just a thought.

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Good thread, I wouldnt call this a recent concern unless you consider "recent" last year's second half collapse due to the banged up O-Line and second string playas coming in and playing horrible. GTripp point of basic feeling of weathering injuries to interior line I would completely agree with. First to question Buges ability of judging talent, come on, Buges is one of greatest oline coaches of all time, but he was the coach to those guys end of last season who were getting their asses handed to them weekly. I bet if you asked Buges around draft time "Could you use some 4th, 5th, and 6th round talent to come in and challenge for depth positions along the O-Line?" Buges would have said Hell Yeah. Its not Buges, but the FO in my opinion. I like our inside guys but the tackles are the guys that worry me the most. So at tackle, a quality vet would ease my mind. Bridges wasnt that guy, he had off the field issues when he signed him and his best position was guard not tackle, so him getting cut is not a big deal with me. Mike Williams is simply indefensible. Did everyone see him play? The guy was horrible. Yes having Michael Oher would be awesome and would greatly help the depth at tackle cause Heyer would be a back up. Oher vs Rak is petty at this point and not fair for at least several years. Both guys are impressive. The whole youth vs experience, my take is you need a mix. We actually have it with the starters.

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[quote=The Goat;585544]Really nice thread Ruh! It's funny when I see a thread like this one, which should engender solid discussion and a lot of interest, and then there's not that many who toss in their two cents.

[B]My intuition right meow[/B] is our oline probably (still) constitutes the weakest group on the team. I agree our starters are above average; however we won't know how far above until this Sunday. Has Christ lost a step since last year? Can the left side be dominant both run/pass blocking? Is Randy healthy enough to blaze a trail? Can Heyer last for several games w/o another weird injury?

Unfortunately it looks like if either tackle goes down or our underwhelming center the line will really struggle, as will the offense. That's just a recipe for disaster IMO and one that should have the FO answering some tough questions. How can a team spend $42 mil guaranteed to one player but neglect what was easily the weakest group from the previous season (I know, I know we got Dock back whee-ha)? In fact I really believe our line was the worst in football by the end of the season: slow, small and old (and always creating the shittiest penalty situations). Not sure how much that will have changed this year.

If I had to pick a single backup to take-over, like 53 said it would be Rinehart. Eventually he's got to take that spot anyway. He seems to be pretty healthy. He also seems to like blazing a trail once comfortable w/ the assignment.[/quote]

Why isn't your username The Cat? :)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;585363]I look at it like this:
If we had drafted Oher, then yes our OL situation would have been more secure then it is now. Because we could have gotten rid of Batiste and maybe even mike williams.
But the problem is that we wouldn't have a great young star OLB/DE in Orakpo. I look at it like this, the steelers had an awful OL last year, but a Great defense. They won/got to the Super Bowl, because Defense wins championships, and they won it with one of the worst OL's in super bowl history. I still would have picked Orakpo adding a great pass rusher to an already great Defense making our Defense that much better, than getting a RT to help our OL, which isn't the whole problem of our offense. Now had Orakpo had been selected, then yeah, I wouldn't of hesitated to get Oher. Had they both of been gone, then I would of gotten Alex Mack, because our G/C position is shaky.[/quote]

Please don't mention Mack. I get a tear in my eye everytime I think about it.

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If a starter goes down we're in trouble. None of these guys can play at 1st string level. None! I'll pray for the health of our o-line.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;585647]Please don't mention Mack. I get a tear in my eye everytime I think about it.[/quote]

orakpo will make those tears go away

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[quote=saden1;585671]If a starter goes down we're in trouble. None of these guys can play at 1st string level. None! I'll pray for the health of our o-line.[/quote]

:funnypost

I agree that we're weak in OL depth, but really? None of these guys can play? Rinehart at least has looked good in the snaps he has gotten.

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[quote=redskinfan401;585688]:funnypost

I agree that we're weak in OL depth, but really? None of these guys can play? Rinehart at least has looked good in the snaps he has gotten.[/quote]

Rinehart played well with the rest of the first-team o-line. This is the one thing that folks should keep in mind, the entire 2nd string line playing will not look good, but I think one of them playing with the 1st-team should be ok. Since Randy Thomas is probably the most injury prone at this point, I would be ok with Rinehart subbing in (and hopefully that would help with the rest of his development). Now at the tackle position, if we loose Samuels to injury, we'd be screwed no matter who replaced him. But as someone said earlier, I think we are pretty weak at tackle depth.

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Find me an NFL team where all of the second team offensive linemen play like first teamers.

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I bet I could find you more NFL teams that have 1st team o-linemen that play like 2nd team o-linemen

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[quote=CultBrennan59;585389]I will say tho that if one of our first two draft picks next year in the draft isn't an OLineman, I will say with confidence that we will not make the playoffs that year and question my allegiance towards the skins. (it's just so hard for me to say I will not be a redskins fan ever again, because I just simply love them too much). So Zorn, Snyder, Cerrato, you better pick an OL with one of your first 2 picks in the draft or I'll be...pissed. Haha[/quote]

Do us all a favor and jump ship now........Swami!!!

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I've seen enough of Rinehart to believe that he is a decent temporary substitute but definitely not an every-down kind of guy you can depend on. I am certain that him and Heyer/Williams on the left side would be disastrous. You will definitely have to sacrifice a TE or a WR just to make sure JC isn't squished at every turn or CP isn't tacked for a loss. If we had a solid right tackle and a center I might have more confidence but we don't.

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[quote=GreekSkin;585702]I bet I could find you more NFL teams that have 1st team o-linemen that play like 2nd team o-linemen[/quote]

ROFL....nice! :)

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[quote=saden1;585716]I've seen enough of Rinehart to believe that he is a decent temporary substitute but definitely not an every-down kind of guy you can depend on. I am certain that him and Heyer/Williams on the left side would be disastrous. You will definitely have to sacrifice a TE or a WR just to make sure JC isn't squished at every turn or CP isn't tacked for a loss. If we had a solid right tackle and a center I might have more confidence but we don't.[/quote]

I think that Rinehart is much improved from last year and has a lot of potential upside. Apparently some folks at Redskins Park think he should start over Randy Thomas. While we are terrifyingly thin at tackle, I think we are in reasonably good shape at guard.

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[quote=Lotus;585746]I think that Rinehart is much improved from last year and has a lot of potential upside. [B]Apparently some folks at Redskins Park think he should start over Randy Thomas[/B]. While we are terrifyingly thin at tackle, I think we are in reasonably good shape at guard.[/quote]

Who are these some folks?

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[quote=saden1;585757]Who are these some folks?[/quote]

You can find them mentioned below, which is lifted from the article in the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31742-redskins-youth-report-pregame-1-edition.html"]Redskins Youth thread[/URL]:

OG Chad Rinehart ( N ) Rinehart took some serious strides this off-season. The Redskins took Rinehart with the third round pick last year and despite injuries on the Line, never saw real game time. That's pretty bad. He looked like a third round flop. One off-season has made a difference. Rinehart looks better, has earned praise form Joe Bugel, and looks to be a solid backup to Randy Thomas. That means he could see some playing time. In fact, some in Redskins Park wanted Rinehart to start over Thomas, but Thomas is the starter and will be the starter, unless injury comes. Just watching Rinehart in preseason was good enough for me to see a big difference in his play and not label him a bust. With Thomas' age and injury history the past two seasons, Rinehart could see himself in a starting role, sooner than expected. Clearly a player to keep an eye on. Rinehart starts the season as NEUTRAL.

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Well I have another name for anyone in who could say yay/nay. Bills just released [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=WAL257548"]Langston Walker[/URL]. Money is always an issue, but if Dockery puts in a good word, who knows, he certainly seems to have some influence.

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and remember they just changed OC's, and have gotten rid of most of their line so it may be more the Bills than Walker. Who knows.