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Ok I can say CP is out of the top 5 running back's, but Cooley being rated under Owen Daniels is just stupid!!!! Cooley is a PRO BOWLER for the last 2 years. Daniels has Andre Johnson while Cooley has... well HIMSELF!!! This shows how little former NFL player's trully know about football sometimes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;566582]Ok I can say CP is out of the top 5 running back's, but Cooley being rated under Owen Daniels is just stupid!!!! Cooley is a PRO BOWLER for the last 2 years. Daniels has Andre Johnson while Cooley has... well HIMSELF!!! This shows how little former NFL player's trully know about football sometimes.[/quote]

Which TEs did Faulk put in his top five?

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[quote=redskinsgirl;566586]Which TEs did Faulk put in his top five?[/quote]

Tony Gonzalez
Antonio Gates
Jason Witten
Dallas Clark
Owen Daniels

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Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Jason Witten, Dallas Clark, and Owen Daniels.

I think Cooley deserved to be on the list but it is hard to argue with those five, all of whom who have made Pro Bowls. It's just another opinion of an NFL talking head, anyways.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;566582]Ok I can say CP is out of the top 5 running back's, but Cooley being rated under Owen Daniels is just stupid!!!! Cooley is a PRO BOWLER for the last 2 years. Daniels has Andre Johnson while Cooley has... well HIMSELF!!! This shows how little former NFL player's trully know about football sometimes.[/quote]

Simma down on your man crush.

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Cooley top 5 with out a doubt any one can make there own top 5 list.

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[quote=53Fan;566588]Tony Gonzalez
Antonio Gates
Jason Witten
Dallas Clark
Owen Daniels[/quote]

I'd replace Owen Daniels with Cooley. Otherwise the top 5 looks fine to me.

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SHOCKER...not. News flash, peoples top five is subjective. It usually is what that individual believes is his or hers top five...and most often it's their favorite players not based off of talent or statistics.

Also I'm betting he's making his judgement off of last yrs performance. Cooley's worst yr.

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I agree Cooley over Owen Daniel. Like someone said it is an opinion. If you are really up why don't you take it up with Faulk himself.

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[quote=GMScud;566598]I'd replace Owen Daniels with Cooley. Otherwise the top 5 looks fine to me.[/quote]


I would remove Clark.
I love daniels.

I don't think Gonzales deserves to be on that list anymore.

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Gonzalez should be in the top 5, but Dallas Clark should be out. He is a product of the system just as Edgerin James was. The skins are so underrated (Especially in Oklahoma)... I have seen maybe 2 Skins fans here in 8 years. You would think that this organization has never won anything. Last time I checked we have won 3 Superbowls and have played in 5.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;566619]Gonzalez should be in the top 5, but Dallas Clark should be out. He is a product of the system just as Edgerin James was. The skins are so underrated (Especially in Oklahoma)... I have seen maybe 2 Skins fans here in 8 years. You would think that this organization has never won anything. Last time I checked we have won 3 Superbowls and have played in 5.[/quote]

I never understood the 'system' player or product of a system guy.
Each team has their own system, Isnt that the coach's job? to have his players in the best position to maximize their talents and help their team win.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;566619]Gonzalez should be in the top 5, but Dallas Clark should be out. He is a product of the system just as Edgerin James was. The skins are so underrated (Especially in Oklahoma)... [B]I have seen maybe 2 Skins fans here in 8 years.[/B] You would think that this organization has never won anything. Last time I checked we have won 3 Superbowls and have played in 5.[/quote]

Try bein a Skins fan in Saint country

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566620]I never understood the 'system' player or product of a system guy.
Each team has their own system, Isnt that the coach's job? to have his players in the best position to maximize their talents and help their team win.[/quote]

What people mean by a system guy is you can plug anybody in there and they'll do just as good. They're trying to say there's nothing special about Dallas Clark and that another player would do better if Peyton were throwing him the ball and there were good plays and other receivers to allow him to get open. I disagree, I think Dallas Clark is real good, he makes a lot of tough catches. I think Cooley should be ahead of Daniels, but most people would say Daniels put up better stats last year, although the difference is minimal. Cooley had a bad year last year, a lot was out of his control, had to help block more bc of the bad o-line, limited playbook, receivers weren't that good last year, but other than a few extra fumbles Cooley made tough catches and was tough in getting YAC and did what he normally does but his numbers were worse bc of things out of his control, the players and system around him.

Anybody think Fred Davis will ever crack this list? I think he has a chance with another team in a few years, but with us I think he's just gonna sit behind Cooley while he's here.

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[quote=an23dy;566622]What people mean by a system guy is you can plug anybody in there and they'll do just as good. They're trying to say there's nothing special about Dallas Clark and that another player would do better if Peyton were throwing him the ball and there were good plays and other receivers to allow him to get open. I disagree, I think Dallas Clark is real good, he makes a lot of tough catches. I think Cooley should be ahead of Daniels, but most people would say Daniels put up better stats last year, although the difference is minimal. Cooley had a bad year last year, a lot was out of his control, had to help block more bc of the bad o-line, limited playbook, receivers weren't that good last year, but other than a few extra fumbles Cooley made tough catches and was tough in getting YAC and did what he normally does but his numbers were worse bc of things out of his control, the players and system around him.

Anybody think Fred Davis will ever crack this list? I think he has a chance with another team in a few years, but with us I think he's just gonna sit behind Cooley while he's here.[/quote]

I think Dallas Clark would do well in any offense. to say if we pulled him out of indy he wouldnt be as good is kindof crazy IMO.

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I think we will see more of Fred Davis that you think .. I think some sets of 2 TE's are in the near future .. Davis is a special player with great hands .. I love cooley but this kid needs a shot ... who says we can't have 2 TE's play a vital role in our offense ?? why the hell not ...

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oh yeah and Cooley should def be on the top 5 list over Clark and Daniels ...

HAIL CAPTAIN CHAOS

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The WCO uses many 2 TE sets. Davis will be fine. Word is that he did well in the OTA's. last i heard anyways.

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Tony Gonzalez
Antonio Gates
Jason Witten
I can completely understand the top 3.....but there is no way in hell I would take Owen Daniels and Dallas Clark ahead of Cooley....

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[quote=SBXVII;566600]SHOCKER...not. News flash, peoples top five is subjective. It usually is what that individual believes is his or hers top five...and most often it's their favorite players not based off of talent or statistics.

Also I'm betting he's making his judgement off of last yrs performance. Cooley's worst yr.[/quote]

Career highs in catches and yards and it's his worst year?

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Faulk's list is good, but I'd take Cooley over Dainels anyday, and his production over the last 2 yrs reflects that.

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Personally, my list looks like this:
1. Tony Gonzalez
2. Antonio Gates
3A. Chris Cooley
3B. Jason Witten
5. Clark/Daniels, pretty much interchangable as far as I'm concerned. I don't either of them, but if I had to pick, I'd probably go with Daniels, just cause I'm not a huge Clark fan.

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[quote=vallin21;566645]Faulk's list is good, but I'd take Cooley over Dainels anyday, and his production over the last 2 yrs reflects that.[/quote]

Like every other Redskins fan I am a big Chris Cooley supporter. Have the authentic jersey, multiple autographs, etc. to prove it. But you can't just dismiss Owen Daniels because you have (probably) never seen him play and his name is not familiar. He is a slightly more dynamic player than Cooley and has an edge in athleticism. I mean, I'd take Cooley on my team any day, and you can make the argument that he has had four consistently good seasons (of five) in a row while Daniels only has two (of three), but it is by no means crazy to place Daniels above Cooley. Cooley is right there with those guys, who cares if he is "#6" or "#7." And as far as production goes, it is really close so I don't know how you can use that criteria to exclude Daniels.

Daniels -

2007 - 63 catches, 768 yards, 3 tds
2008 - 70 catches, 862 yards, 2 tds

Cooley -

2007 - 66 catches, 786 yards, 8 tds
2008 - 83 catches, 849 yards, 1 td

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;566648]Like every other Redskins fan I am a big Chris Cooley supporter. Have the authentic jersey, multiple autographs, etc. to prove it. But you can't just dismiss Owen Daniels because you have (probably) never seen him play and his name is not familiar. He is a slightly more dynamic player than Cooley and has an edge in athleticism. I mean, I'd take Cooley on my team any day, and you can make the argument that he has had four consistently good seasons (of five) in a row while Daniels only has two (of three), but it is by no means crazy to place Daniels above Cooley. Cooley is right there with those guys, who cares if he is "#6" or "#7." And as far as production goes, it is really close so I don't know how you can use that criteria to exclude Daniels.

Daniels -

2007 - 63 catches, 768 yards, 3 tds
2008 - 70 catches, 862 yards, 2 tds

Cooley -

2007 - 66 catches, 786 yards, 8 tds
2008 - 83 catches, 849 yards, 1 td[/quote]

I agree, I think Daniels gets dismissed just because the Texans aren't as popular/good so they don't get many primetime games. And they're not local, so unless they play the Skins, we would rarely see them play. It is undeniable, however, that Owen Daniels is a very good Tight End.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566621]Try bein a Skins fan in Saint country[/quote]


LOL I was born in Biloxi, MS trust me I know how you feel..

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My top 5
1. Cooley
2. Cooley
3. Cooley
4. Cooley
5. Everybody else :)

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[quote=jamf;566618]I would remove Clark.
I love daniels.
[B]
I don't think Gonzales deserves to be on that list anymore[/B].[/quote]

You're kidding right? On a team with a pathetic offense the past two season, his stats were:

2008: 96 receptions, 1058 yards, 10TDs.
2007: 99 receptions, 1172 yards, 5TDs.

Those kind of numbers would put a WR in the pro-bowl, let alone a TE.

The guy is amazing, and he's aging like a fine wine. He has had at least 71 catches and 900 yards each of the last six seasons, plus he's durable. He's only missed two games his entire career. I think he's going to have a couple really nice seasons in Atlanta. He not only deserves to be on that list, he should be at the top of it.

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[quote=Angry;566703]My top 5
1. Cooley
2. Cooley
3. Cooley
4. Cooley
5. Everybody else :)[/quote]

Now THAT'S a top 5 :)

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;566648]Like every other Redskins fan I am a big Chris Cooley supporter. Have the authentic jersey, multiple autographs, etc. to prove it. But you can't just dismiss Owen Daniels because you have (probably) never seen him play and his name is not familiar. He is a slightly more dynamic player than Cooley and has an edge in athleticism. I mean, I'd take Cooley on my team any day, and you can make the argument that he has had four consistently good seasons (of five) in a row while Daniels only has two (of three), but it is by no means crazy to place Daniels above Cooley. Cooley is right there with those guys, who cares if he is "#6" or "#7." And as far as production goes, it is really close so I don't know how you can use that criteria to exclude Daniels.

Daniels -

2007 - 63 catches, 768 yards, 3 tds
2008 - 70 catches, 862 yards, 2 tds

Cooley -

2007 - 66 catches, 786 yards, 8 tds
2008 - 83 catches, 849 yards, 1 td[/quote]

I'm not excluding Dainels, I just think he's a very good receiving TE. Cooley is an all around TE. He's definitely a better blocker, has good hands, and can stretch the field. The list should be based on [B]all[/B] the attributes (not just receiving) a TE should have and Cooley has a little bit of everything.

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[quote=vallin21;566709]I'm not excluding Dainels, I just think he's a very good receiving TE. Cooley is an all around TE. He's definitely a better blocker, has good hands, and can stretch the field. The list should be based on [B]all[/B] the attributes (not just receiving) a TE should have and Cooley has a little bit of everything.[/quote]

You don't think Daniels' is at least a decent blocker? I don't think he's any more of a liability as a blocking tight end than Cooley, personally.

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[quote=53Fan;566588]Tony Gonzalez
Antonio Gates
Jason Witten
Dallas Clark
Owen Daniels[/quote]

I'd go with

Gonzalez
Gates
Chris Cooley
Heath Miller
Owen Daniels

Zach Miller will be on that list sooner than later. I know Miller's numbers aren't impressive relative to others on the list, but I think he's solid

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My top 5:

Tony Gonzalez
Antonio Gates
Jason Witten
Chris Cooley
Dallas Clark

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I went and looked at the stats from last year:
Tony Gonzalez over 1,000 yards 10 TDs
Antonio Gates Less yards then cooley but 8TDs
Jason Witten More yards and 3 more TD's then Cooley
Dallas Clark Tied in yards but 5 more TD's then Cooley
Owen Daniels More yards and 1 more TD then Cooley

IF you go back to 2007 only Daniels stats are less the Cooley's so I'm not sure if he is really off the mark at all. I was very surprised to see Cooley only had one TD last year. With that said I love Cooley and what he brings to the field.

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1- Tony Gonzalez
2-Antonio Gates
3-Chris Cooley
4-Jason Witten
5-Pretty much a toss up between Clark and Daniels. Clark scores more often and I think, has more experience. I'll go Clark.

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[quote=SmootSmack;566710]You don't think Daniels' is at least a [B]decent blocker[/B]? I don't think he's any more of a liability as a blocking tight end than Cooley, personally.[/quote]

Average is probably the better word. Sure he's not a liability, but he's not asset either. I don't think the same can be for Cooley who knows he needs to block for Portis to open up the passing game for himself and others. I think Dainels is a good TE who can stretch the field and is probably the best run after the catch TE right now, but if you ask him to block I don't think he's as open to it as Cooley.

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People around here need to stop looking at everything through their burgundy and gold glasses. Daniels doesn't get a lot of press but he's every bit as good as Cooley is. He doesn't make the Pro Bowl cause he's got Gates and Gonzalez in the AFC. If Cooley were in the AFC he would never get picked over those two.

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[quote=skinsfan69;566724]People around here need to stop looking at everything through their burgundy and gold glasses. [B]Daniels doesn't get a lot of press but he's every bit as good as Cooley is. He doesn't make the Pro Bowl cause he's got Gates and Gonzalez in the AFC.[/B] If Cooley were in the AFC he would never get picked over those two.[/quote]

Daniels made the Pro Bowl last year.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;566626]I think we will see more of Fred Davis that you think .. I think some sets of 2 TE's are in the near future .. Davis is a special player with great hands .. I love cooley but this kid needs a shot ... who says we can't have 2 TE's play a vital role in our offense ?? why the hell not ...[/quote]

Davis is going to be on the field this year and I can't wait to see this guy. He was the best TE in football playing at USC. That's saying something. He will help in the red zone.

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[quote=Lotus;566726]Daniels made the Pro Bowl last year.[/quote]

Yeah but why? Cause there was a toe injury to Gates.

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Can we ban anyone who uses more than 1 exclamation point? I can see a warning for 2-3, but more than that, automatic ban. ;-)