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[QUOTE]Asked if he felt Campbell was mistreated by an organization that dangled him for Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez, Gibbs wouldn't bite.

"I have a different outlook on that," Gibbs said of shopping the quarterback he had plucked from Auburn. "At some point you're going to have to take the team down the field in a driving hailstorm to win the game. If you get all uptight about stuff as the quarterback -- if (trade rumors) is something that bothers you -- you're in the wrong position."

Translation: Buck up, Jason.

"You gotta realize an NFL quarterback is going to go through a lot -- all the ones I coached did," Gibbs added through that wheezing laugh of his. "If it wasn't (Mark) Rypien getting benched in the middle of a season, it was Joe Theismann technically going to get benched. Or it was Doug Williams going through two teams and coming here when everybody thought his career was over."
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[url=http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090624/SPORTS/706249949/1018/SPORTS09]HeraldNet: Redskins' past and present, Zorn and Gibbs spend a day at the races[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;564403][URL="http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090624/SPORTS/706249949/1018/SPORTS09"]HeraldNet: Redskins' past and present, Zorn and Gibbs spend a day at the races[/URL][/quote]

Good stuff, I am sure most of us agree with that.

Also, lol @ the wheezing laugh...hah

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Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall with Zorn and Gibbs in the same room? That's gotta be some interesting talk going on.

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I just read the article in the washpost about Zorn & Gibbs & felt very encouraged by it. Of course they're not going to tell the media the details of what was discussed, but I would guess 2 players had to be big topics; JC & CP.

Zorn taking Gibbs up on the invitation to the track is a good sign. It's understandable why Zorn shied away from Gibbs some in year 1, he had to make his own impression. Now he needs some perspective & some friendly advice. No better man to give him that than Gibbs.

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The quote in the OP is funny because it's exactly the reason I don't like Cutler. How, as a QB, can you be that thin skinned? Who wants to follow that guy? Not I.

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[quote=Mattyk72;564405]Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall with Zorn and Gibbs in the same room? That's gotta be some interesting talk going on.[/quote]

Although they seem a bit different(Zorn is more outgoing to the media) they do share their strong faith in common. I am sure that has gotta be a connecting point, along with the love of the game, player development, etc.

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[quote=Mattyk72;564405]Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall with Zorn and Gibbs in the same room? That's gotta be some interesting talk going on.[/quote]

yeah, it would be cool if only the warpath had a transcript!

What would really be interesting is to hear what they talked about & then look back at it during the season. I'm specifically wondering if Zorn asked Gibbs about dealing w/Portis. Of all their differences as coaches, this one is stands out to me. Zorn wants to hold his guys accountable in public & treat everybody relatively the same, whereas Gibbs never said anything about players to the press, and gave vets (especially Portis) a lot of leeway.

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[quote=jdlea;564408]The quote in the OP is funny because it's exactly the reason I don't like Cutler. How, as a QB, can you be that skinned? Who wants to follow that guy? Not I.[/quote]

And it's exactly why we should be proud of the way JC has handled himself. He could have easily made this an ugly situation, but he did "buck up" and has probably won even more respect from his teammates as a result.

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[quote=Mattyk72;564413]And it's exactly why we should be proud of the way JC has handled himself. He could have easily made this an ugly situation, but he did "buck up" and has probably won even more respect from his teammates as a result.[/quote]

Exactly. Very few players in football would have handled that situation well and Jason did. That's something everyone should remember.

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Good article. And I hope they had a good discussion. Certainly after his first year, Zorn has got to have some pretty solid questions, and I can't think of anyone else I would rather him get answers from (a close second would be Holmgren). If he is adept at learning, as I believe he is, he certainly has good sources to go to and get advice from the best. I am still high on Zorn and hope he makes the necessary corrections to lead this team to a bright future!

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[quote=Mattyk72;564413]And it's exactly why we should be proud of the way JC has handled himself. He could have easily made this an ugly situation, but he did "buck up" and has probably won even more respect from his teammates as a result.[/quote]

Yeah I am sure Gibbs didn't mean Campbell was being a baby. I think Gibbs' response was framed that way because of the question.

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I think Gibbs was sticking up for JC with that comment. The comment about JC needing to buck up by Wise was a little odd as JC has done nothing but buck up all offseason.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;564419]Good article. And I hope they had a good discussion. Certainly after his first year, Zorn has got to have some pretty solid questions, and I can't think of anyone else I would rather him get answers from (a close second would be Holmgren). If he is adept at learning, as I believe he is, he certainly has good sources to go to and get advice from the best. I am still high on Zorn and hope he makes the necessary corrections to lead this team to a bright future![/quote]

Well with Gibbs 2 our O struggled and with Zorn last year our O struggled so I'm not sure what Gibbs could help him with there.

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[quote=firstdown;564449]Well with Gibbs 2 our O struggled and with Zorn last year our O struggled so I'm not sure what Gibbs could help him with there.[/quote]

I am pretty sure that Gibbs has a bit of knowledge gained over both stints that would help JZ. Remember Gibbs knows what that 2nd year feels like.

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I think JC MUST realize there is a reason why nobody is looking at QB options in New England, Indy, or Pittsburg.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;564461]I am pretty sure that Gibbs has a bit of knowledge gained over both stints that would help JZ. Remember Gibbs knows what that 2nd year feels like.[/quote]

Nah, a HOF coach has nothing to offer a 2nd year guy. Please.

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I have gained more respect for JC than I had before this stuff started. I think it's great that Gibbs and Zorn talk. Only good things can come out of it.

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[quote=53Fan;564494]I have gained more respect for JC than I had before this stuff started. I think it's great that Gibbs and Zorn talk. Only good things can come out of it.[/quote]

JC has always had my respect as a person now he just needs to gain my confidence on the field.

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[quote=Mattyk72;564413]And it's exactly why we should be proud of the way JC has handled himself. He could have easily made this an ugly situation, but he did "buck up" and has probably won even more respect from his teammates as a result.[/quote]

Werd, I wasn't really sure what they were getting at with the "translation" because it seems as if Jason had already done that from the get go.

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[quote=firstdown;564503]JC has always had my respect as a person now he just needs to gain my confidence on the field.[/quote]
I would agree completely. He's a great kid that I personally REALLY want to succeed

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I agree with all of the positive comments about JC's classiness.

I would add somewhat the same about Zorn. He has been respectful towards Gibb's legacy all along and he took that respect to a new level by visiting with Gibbs. Rather than completely change everything to make the Redskins "his" team (and thereby implicitly making Gibbs look inept), Zorn has shown humility and an openness to learning and growing. Good job JZ.

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[quote=Mattyk72;564405]Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall with Zorn and Gibbs in the same room? That's gotta be some interesting talk going on.[/quote]

I agree, but not sure as to how much effect Coach Gibbs' input is going to really help. As preseason nears, I of course have to get my fix of preseason rags and the prognosticators again screw us over as being last in the division. Thing is the ragsters do have a point. Our Wr corp sucks as they are underachievers or just plain unproven. We really failed to upgrade the O line which to most of us I think was a necessity to give JC a half decent chance of making things happen this year. Reacquiring Dockery was nice, but if he was so great maybe we should have done more to just keep him in the first place.

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[quote=Gus FrerotteII;564549]I agree, but not sure as to how much effect Coach Gibbs' input is going to really help. As preseason nears, I of course have to get my fix of preseason rags and the prognosticators again screw us over as being last in the division. Thing is the ragsters do have a point. Our Wr corp sucks as they are underachievers or just plain unproven. We really failed to upgrade the O line which to most of us I think was a necessity to give JC a half decent chance of making things happen this year. Reacquiring Dockery was nice, but if he was so great maybe we should have done more to just keep him in the first place.[/quote]

Why did you create a second username?

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Something was wrong when I tried to log in last weekend. I got a new password and it wouldn't work so I created the new profile.

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[quote=Gus FrerotteII;564552]Something was wrong when I tried to log in last weekend. I got a new password and it wouldn't work so I created the new profile.[/quote]

Ok, well is this the one you want to use now? Let us (mainly Matty) know and we'll close out your other account. As you know, we don't allow multiple accounts.

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I will try and re establish the original first and I will let Matty know.

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I got my profile back up!!!!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;564564]I got my profile back up!!!!!![/quote]

Great! We're going to go ahead and remove the other one then

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[quote=SmootSmack;564566]Great! We're going to go ahead and remove the other one then[/quote]

Will the real Gue Frerotte please stand up

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i like the response. I hope Campbell hears this.

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[quote=Skins4L;564569]i like the response. I hope Campbell hears this.[/quote]


Would be nice if he did, but the thing is damage was done regardless. I know some of the Brennan folks and other want JC to get benched or not resigned if we falter this year, but JC might just decide to take off and land himself with a contender if we do fall by the wayside. People can forgive Skins4L, but they usually don't forget, meaning JC just might use the Cutler/Sanchez drama as an excuse to jump ship if he feels the franchise isn't going anywhere. Let's face it, the FO hasn't really done anything lately to give him help. No real positive picks or FA pickups for the O line(except Dockery, and that isn't so great of an upgrade), a real shaky WR corp(Moss, plus a bunch of unproven scrubs), and of course the Cutler/Sanchez trade dramas. To be honest, if I was JC and jerked around like I have, with a team that really has lots of holes in it, if I am lucky to survive the season I would really consider bolting if the season ended up being another disappointment. I mean JC is at the point in his career where he will want to position himself on a solid contender. He has his $$$$$$$$$ already.

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[quote=firstdown;564449]Well with Gibbs 2 our O struggled and with Zorn last year our O struggled so I'm not sure what Gibbs could help him with there.[/quote]

you're kidding, right?

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Gibbs meeting with Zorn .. nothing wrong with that in my mind .. it's been an odd off season, but the more I think about how JC handled himself I really do believe the 10' season is going to be strong .. i'm crossing my fingers for 10-6 !

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[quote=GusFrerotte;564705]Would be nice if he did, but the thing is damage was done regardless. I know some of the Brennan folks and other want JC to get benched or not resigned if we falter this year, but JC might just decide to take off and land himself with a contender if we do fall by the wayside. People can forgive Skins4L, but they usually don't forget, meaning JC just might use the Cutler/Sanchez drama as an excuse to jump ship if he feels the franchise isn't going anywhere. Let's face it, the FO hasn't really done anything lately to give him help. No real positive picks or FA pickups for the O line(except Dockery, and that isn't so great of an upgrade), a real shaky WR corp(Moss, plus a bunch of unproven scrubs), and of course the Cutler/Sanchez trade dramas. To be honest, if I was JC and jerked around like I have, with a team that really has lots of holes in it, if I am lucky to survive the season I would really consider bolting if the season ended up being another disappointment. I mean JC is at the point in his career where he will want to position himself on a solid contender. He has his $$$$$$$$$ already.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I would have to disagree with two points here. First, the reality is that starting QB jobs are at a premium for QB's of JC's talent. In fact there are several former starting QB's that are either jobless or backups who have posted better numbers than JC. Secondly, JC may be at the end of his rookie contract and he may have made more money than you or I in the past few years, but the fact of the matter is that he is one of the lowest paid starting QB's in the league. Unless he has a monster season, no franchise, the Redskins or otherwise is going to give him the typical payday for an above average starting QB.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just to throw some food for thought out there, I doubt that there is any type of serious interest out there for a QB like Jason Campbell. In both the Cutler and Sanchez attempts the FO was trying to unload JC on the other team as part of the trade bait. This may be irrelevant, but I find it funny that the only time that Vinny and Danny failed to make the blockbuster trade was when they tried to get rid of JC in the process.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My theory is that if he does not have a stellar year, then he will either be a backup or out of the league by 2010. Even if he does have a fairly good season his only shot at a big payday might be with Washington. At this time he has no leverage; he can only play football and prove himself.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Right on the mark with CUTLER,hes a BABY!!!!

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[quote=Angry;564774]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My theory is that if he does not have a stellar year, then he will either be a backup or out of the league by 2010. Even if he does have a fairly good season his only shot at a big payday might be with Washington. At this time he has no leverage; he can only play football and prove himself.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Regardless of his year JC will be in the league for years to come, unless he decides to stop. Remember-Patrick Ramsey is still on a team, Minnesota may bring Favre in. JC, short of a imploding 2009 will have plenty of opportunities to try a new environment.

That said, I would be shocked if he doesn't light up the NFL this year. (I am really hoping that Romo, Sanchez and Cutler all flop - yes you can call me petty)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;564790]Regardless of his year JC will be in the league for years to come, unless he decides to stop. Remember-Patrick Ramsey is still on a team, Minnesota may bring Favre in. JC, short of a imploding 2009 will have plenty of opportunities to try a new environment.

That said, I would be shocked if he doesn't light up the NFL this year. (I am really hoping that Romo, Sanchez and Cutler all flop - yes you can call me petty)[/quote]

Yeah I really doubt he would be out of the league next year even if he has a bad 2009 season (which I highly doubt would happen anyway). There are plenty of mediocre to flat out bad QBs still earning a paycheck out there.

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I think that you guys are misinterpreting what I said. I said he would either be a backup or out of the league. Maybe I should have said that he will not be a starter after 2010...that was my intent.


Edit: Unless he has a great season, which I don't see happening. Good, maybe, great, no.

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Guess I'm still not getting it but why would he be out of the league altogether?

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[quote=Mattyk72;564794]Guess I'm still not getting it but why would he be out of the league altogether?[/quote]


It was a figure of speech meaning that the only way that he will have a job in the NFL is as a backup.