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As long as the family if okay with it I am. Seems a little light though....

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-stallworth-pedestriankilled&prov=ap&type=lgns]Stallworth pleads guilty, gets 30 days in jail - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;563214]As long as the family if okay with it I am. Seems a little light though....

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-stallworth-pedestriankilled&prov=ap&type=lgns]Stallworth pleads guilty, gets 30 days in jail - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

A little light? If it had been me I'd be rotting in prison. Money talks and BS walks.

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The dude is going to be playing in the league before Vick!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;563230]A little light? If it had been me I'd be rotting in prison. Money talks and BS walks.[/quote]

Ain't that the truth!

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Money makes it happen.

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[quote=itvnetop;563232]The dude is going to be playing in the league before Vick![/quote]

Amazing, isn't it?

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unbelieveable! 30 days? what a ****ing joke

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[quote=htownskinfan;563248]unbelieveable! 30 days? what a ****ing joke[/quote]

Yeah I'm curious to see how this is handled by the NFL. To his credit he took accountability from the start. We all know if Vick had cooperated right away he would playing right now.

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nice lawyer work

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The sad part is that all the family cares about is the payout. That is why it is only 30 days. They want Stallworth to be able to pay them off.

Pretty pathetic on their part.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;563257]The sad part is that all the family cares about is the payout. That is why it is only 30 days. They want Stallworth to be able to pay them off.

Pretty pathetic on their part.[/quote]

Maybe Dad was a jerk. Plenty of deadbeats around beating up their wives and kids. So along comes a rich, drunk, football player...millions for you or Lock Up raw for him...you call it.

Not saying [I]at all [/I] Poppa was a deadbeat, but I'm also saying the good guys don't always take the bullet.

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[quote=SkinDogg;563261]Maybe Dad was a jerk. Plenty of deadbeats around beating up their wives and kids. So along comes a rich, drunk, football player...millions for you or Lock Up raw for him...you call it.

Not saying [I]at all [/I]Poppa was a deadbeat, but I'm also saying the good guys don't always take the bullet.[/quote]

That very well may be true but I hope I never get to the point where I would rather hit the lottery than pursue justice for someone that I am related to.

I guess I was just raised different.

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Look at it from the othe side. Stallworth hit the guy at like 6 or 7am. He'd already left the bar a long time ago. Plus the guy was J walking. There is another side to the story. If he was stone sober could he have prevented this? Who knows.

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From what I had have heard this type of sentence is relatively common in cases with similar circumstances and evidence. Apparently the burden of proof by Fla law includes proving that the accused's intoxication directly led to the death. Given that the victim was jay-walking there was precedence that he might have been found not guilty and done no time at all.

To me the most interesting part of this whole thing is the comparison to Vick. Vick's crimes are obviously pretty sh*tty but in the end he went to the poke for a long dam time for killing some dogs and DOnte killsanother human and ends up serving 30 days and 2 years home confinement. What the hell is wrong with our priorities in this country?

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[quote=FRPLG;563266]From what I had have heard this type of sentence is relatively common in cases with similar circumstances and evidence. Apparently the burden of proof by Fla law includes proving that the accused's intoxication directly led to the death. Given that the victim was jay-walking there was precedence that he might have been found not guilty and done no time at all.

To me the most interesting part of this whole thing is the comparison to Vick. Vick's crimes are obviously pretty sh*tty but in the end he went to the poke for a long dam time for killing some dogs and DOnte killsanother human and ends up serving 30 days and 2 years home confinement. What the hell is wrong with our priorities in this country?[/quote]


I agree 100%.

I think Chris Rock sums it up pretty well...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJrDvDYgnyw]YouTube - Chris Rock: Sarah Palin Holding Dead Bloody Moose[/ame]

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[quote=FRPLG;563266]From what I had have heard this type of sentence is relatively common in cases with similar circumstances and evidence. Apparently the burden of proof by Fla law includes proving that the accused's intoxication directly led to the death. Given that the victim was jay-walking there was precedence that he might have been found not guilty and done no time at all.

To me the most interesting part of this whole thing is the comparison to Vick. Vick's crimes are obviously pretty sh*tty but in the end he went to the poke for a long dam time for killing some dogs and DOnte killsanother human and ends up serving 30 days and 2 years home confinement. What the hell is wrong with our priorities in this country?[/quote]

Well put.

But to put it in perspective, I know of a civilian (and by that I mean a common joe) who hit and killed someone who was changing a tire late at night on the side of the road and got nothing so 30 days seems about right unfortunately. No matter what their sentence amounts to, they'll have to live with the fact that they took someone's life and that is more weight than anyone should ever have to bear.

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[quote=skinsfan69;563263]Look at it from the othe side. Stallworth hit the guy at like 6 or 7am. He'd already left the bar a long time ago. Plus the guy was J walking. There is another side to the story. If he was stone sober could he have prevented this? Who knows.[/quote]

One thing I don't get (and I admit I haven't read a ton about this case) is that reports say Stallworth flashed his lights at the man in an attempt to warn him before he hit him. Umm, rather than flash your lights, how about you slam on the brakes?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;563230]A little light? If it had been me I'd be rotting in prison. Money talks and BS walks.[/quote]
All I have to say about the sentence is this: Stallworth is very lucky... It is a testament to wealth and privilege that he walked away with so light a sentence. A friend of mine had an accident when we were 22 and killed the passenger in his car. He was over the legal alcohol limit. He is a college grad, hard worker, well spoken fellow with no prior record then or since... He went to PRISON for 2 years and served 2 years probation! Just to add to the story He is black and I am white. We both met at our local bar after work today and saw the breaking news on espn.. He shared his story and we shook our heads in disbelief... We both agreed that Stallworth didn't intentionally kill the person, and I am sure he regets the decision to drive. That being said, I am saddened that my friend, was judged such, and Stallworth a to different standard.

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I read, no link tho, that he also lost his driving privileges for life.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;563278]All I have to say about the sentence is this: Stallworth is very lucky... It is a testament to wealth and privilege that he walked away with so light a sentence. A friend of mine had an accident when we were 22 and killed the passenger in his car. He was over the legal alcohol limit. He is a college grad, hard worker, well spoken fellow with no prior record then or since... He went to PRISON for 2 years and served 2 years probation! Just to add to the story He is black and I am white. We both met at our local bar after work today and saw the breaking news on espn.. He shared his story and we shook our heads in disbelief... We both agreed that Stallworth didn't intentionally kill the person, and I am sure he regets the decision to drive. That being said, I am saddened that my friend, was judged such, and Stallworth a to different standard.[/quote]

Circumstances of the accidents matter. Especially when there are mitigating circumstances. Plus where it happened means everything. After some thought I believe comparing even DUI cases is pretty unfair since every accident is different.

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Every case has to be based on its individual circumstances, that's why there are judges & juries.

I'm not so up in arms about his sentencing, and I totally disagree w/ statements about fame & privledge being to his advantage. In the past maybe, but I don't think so now. I think it's actually often the opposite; the more media exposure there is the more pressure judges & juries feel to not let someone famous off. I think the OJ trial really changed things, maybe for the better.

The only advantage Stallworth had was good representation, which he's able to afford. From what little details there are in these articles, it sounds as if the family realized the man was jay-walking & Stallworth tried to react. He's guilty of the crime because the alcohol affected his ability to react. If he weren't drunk he would've likely pleaded not guilty and sounds like he had a good chance of getting off.

You can say that 30 days isn't that much, but it was a plea bargain. It will save the court & the victim's family the pain of going through w/a trial. He got 8 years probation. At any time if he violates it he could be locked up.

Like it or not our justice system differentiates on crimes that involve the loss of life, even murder. From what I read in the article, it sounds like a decent end for all parties was reached & Stallworth owned up to the crime. Give him some credit for that at least.

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Thanks, FRPLG and freddyg12 for adding some perspective to this for me.

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Wasnt the guy in the show OZ doing time because he drove drunk and killed a little girl??

the family took the money,Donte went home. just shows if you have money you can do anything. Had it been you or me, we would be spending the rest of our lives in a federal pound me in the @$$ prison.
lol sorry, i love that movie.

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I've actually driven a couple of times through that causeway, and it is a straight up highway, cars drive through there pretty fast. I honestly don't know whether Stallworth being under the influence made much of a difference, but we'll never know. Pretty unfortunate situation for everyone.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;563328]Wasnt the guy in the show OZ doing time because he drove drunk and killed a little girl??[/quote]

I thought it was Prison Break

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The little guy who had the tattoo on his rearend.. i only saw season 1 in iraq

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;563288]I read, no link tho, that he also lost his driving privileges for life.[/quote]

If that's true then only in the state of Florida. He can always get a license in another state.

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[quote=freddyg12;563305]Every case has to be based on its individual circumstances, that's why there are judges & juries.

I'm not so up in arms about his sentencing, and I totally disagree w/ statements about fame & privledge being to his advantage. In the past maybe, but I don't think so now. I think it's actually often the opposite; the more media exposure there is the more pressure judges & juries feel to not let someone famous off. [B]I think the OJ trial really changed things, maybe for the better.[/B]

The only advantage Stallworth had was good representation, which he's able to afford. From what little details there are in these articles, it sounds as if the family realized the man was jay-walking & Stallworth tried to react. He's guilty of the crime because the alcohol affected his ability to react. If he weren't drunk he would've likely pleaded not guilty and sounds like he had a good chance of getting off.

You can say that 30 days isn't that much, but it was a plea bargain. It will save the court & the victim's family the pain of going through w/a trial. He got 8 years probation. At any time if he violates it he could be locked up.

Like it or not our justice system differentiates on crimes that involve the loss of life, even murder. From what I read in the article, it sounds like a decent end for all parties was reached & Stallworth owned up to the crime. Give him some credit for that at least.[/quote]

Coincidentally, today is the 15 year anniversary of OJ Simpson's Bronco chase.

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[quote=Angry;563360]If that's true then only in the state of Florida. He can always get a license in another state.[/quote]

Not unless: a) He lies on his application as there will likely be several questions concerning his status in other states and/or whether he has pled guilty to moving violations; [B]and[/B] b) the particular State doesn't run a database check. At least that's how it would work for most reciprocal licenses - State's tend to honor the actions of other States in those cases.

It is my belief that, if you are suspended or revoked in some other State, you will be denied a Maryland license

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[quote=FRPLG;563266]From what I had have heard this type of sentence is relatively common in cases with similar circumstances and evidence. Apparently the burden of proof by Fla law includes proving that the accused's intoxication directly led to the death. Given that the victim was jay-walking there was precedence that he might have been found not guilty and done no time at all.

To me the most interesting part of this whole thing is the comparison to Vick. Vick's crimes are obviously pretty sh*tty but in the end he went to the poke for a long dam time for killing some dogs and DOnte killsanother human and ends up serving 30 days and 2 years home confinement. What the hell is wrong with our priorities in this country?[/quote]

delettteedd

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I understand why some people think Stallworth got off light, but you have to look at everything in perspective. Prisons everywhere are overcrowded to the point that people who deliberately commit serious offenses (car theives, bank robbers, even rapists and child molesters) get out of jail early to make room for more "dangerous" or more recent offenders. For that reason, people who pose a minimal threat to society are given house arrest - yes, stallworth is going to be in prison 30 days, but he'll be under house arrest for 2 years, and probation for 8 after that. he also wont be able to drive again for life, thereby eliminating the threat he could repeat his crime.

Which brings me to my other point - what should be the purpose of prison anyways? not only to protect society from the criminal, but also to rehabilitate the criminal. Based on everything i've read, Stallworth isnt a threat to anyone and he has displayed genuine remorse and repentance for his crime... what good is supposed to come from sending Stallworth to jail for two (or more) years? really, what would that accomplish? Stallworth immediately accepted responsibility, apologized, has compensated the family, and has said he wants to be a public voice against drunk driving - to help prevent further tragedies like this.

So for those of you unsatisfied by the resolution of this case, please tell me - what more do you want? and if you do want more, is it really "justice" you're after?

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Im sure the prisons are full of ppl who had accidents or were negligent and killed someone.. and im sure they are sorry also.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;563363]Not unless: a) He lies on his application as there will likely be several questions concerning his status in other states and/or whether he has pled guilty to moving violations; [B]and[/B] b) the particular State doesn't run a database check. At least that's how it would work for most reciprocal licenses - State's tend to honor the actions of other States in those cases.

It is my belief that, if you are suspended or revoked in some other State, you will be denied a Maryland license[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Why would he lie on any application? It's not like he isn't well known, especially now. He may not get a MD license, but I am sure that there is some state out there that would be willing to give him a license.

In retrospect though, I doubt very seriously that they have revoked his driving privileges for life. It wasn't in the posted article and that would have been a huge oversight on the part of the press.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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In 5 years he can petition the court for restricted driving privileges according to his lawyer.

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[quote=Angry;563393][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Why would he lie on any application? It's not like he isn't well known, especially now. He may not get a MD license, but I am sure that there is some state out there that would be willing to give him a license.

In retrospect though, I doubt very seriously that they have revoked his driving privileges for life. It wasn't in the posted article and that would have been a huge oversight on the part of the press.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Here is the link:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4262751]Donte Stallworth of Cleveland Browns reaches financial agreement with family of victim Mario Reyes - ESPN[/url]
[quote]Stallworth must also undergo drug and alcohol testing, will have a lifetime driver's license suspension and must perform 1,000 hours of community service. Lyons said after five years, Stallworth could win approval for limited driving for reasons such as employment.[/quote]

And I have had driver's licenses in Md, Colo, and La. In every state, and every application it asks if your license is revoked or suspended in any state. Like Joe said all the States uphold each others laws in cases like this.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;563399]Here is the link:
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4262751"]Donte Stallworth of Cleveland Browns reaches financial agreement with family of victim Mario Reyes - ESPN[/URL]


And I have had driver's licenses in Md, Colo, and La. In every state, and every application it asks if your license is revoked or suspended in any state. Like Joe said all the States uphold each others laws in cases like this.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It also said that he could get limited licensing privileges back after 5 years. A life sentence is only 20 years, so why would a life long DL suspension be any longer? I am not saying that it isn't. I think that he will get full privileges back sometime in his life.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Also of interest:
[URL="http://www.1800duilaws.com/forms/docs/CompactDLCProceduresManual.pdf"]http://www.1800duilaws.com/forms/docs/CompactDLCProceduresManual.pdf[/URL]

45 states are co-signers of this compact.

[quote=Article V]APPLICATIONS FOR NEW LICENSES—Upon application for a license to drive, the licensing
authority in a party state shall ascertain whether the applicant has ever held, or is the
holder of, a license to drive issued by any other party state. The licensing authority in the
state where application is made shall not issue a license to drive to the applicant if:
(1) The applicant has held such a license, but the same has been suspended by
reason, in whole or in part, of a violation and if such suspension period has not
terminated.[/quote]
[quote]Wisconsin, Tennessee, Georgia, Massachusetts, and Michigan are all Non-compact states and don't share Drunk Driving (DUI and DWI) conviction information.[/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;563405]Also of interest:
[URL]http://www.1800duilaws.com/forms/docs/CompactDLCProceduresManual.pdf[/URL]

45 states are co-signers of this compact.[/quote]

So all he has to do is get licensed in one of the 5 states that is not a compact co-signer. Thats not very hard. All he has to do is sign with Tennessee, Atlanta, Green Bay, New England, or Detroit. Problem solved.

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[quote=Angry;563404][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It also said that he could get limited licensing privileges back after 5 years. [B]A life sentence is only 20 years, so why would a life long DL suspension be any longer[/B]? I am not saying that it isn't. I think that he will get full privileges back sometime in his life.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Because it is a loss of a privilege not confinement in jail, which the state has the right to do. I am pretty sure there are other post conviction restrictions that can be for life as well, if the restriction relates to the type of crime committed and is considered to be for the good of the public at large.

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[quote=Angry;563408]So all he has to do is get licensed in one of the 5 states that is not a compact co-signer. Thats not very hard. All he has to do is sign with Tennessee, Atlanta, Green Bay, New England, or Detroit. Problem solved.[/quote]

LOL yup you are right! I guess money does solve everything!:)