Broncos sign Brandon Lloyd
 

Brandon Llyod must have one of the best agents out there - he keeps landing with a NFL team even though his production is non-existent.

I know all the Llyod supporters will say he still has great athletic ability - but the bottom line is his stats are tell the true story and at 28 he is what he is - a complete bust:

Averages 26 catches a year, 2 catches a game, 0.2 TDs a game

Those stats must strike a lot of fear in opposing defensive coordinators.

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I've been laughing ever since I heard about it last night

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He gets signed because he has elite talent. He is just a complete bonehead and a cancer in the locker room.

He showed last year that he still can produce but then he pisses off his teammates when he gets a hangnail and they need him.

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Funny.

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I am not sure how we can laugh at the Broncos. Did they give up a third round pick and give him a 30 million dollar deal?

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It will be strange, he may not be the biggest douche bag amongst the wideouts on his team

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[quote=Crash;563136]It will be strange, he may not be the biggest douche bag amongst the wideouts on his team[/quote]


That is a good point.

I think this has been a very strange offseason for Denver. Granted they loaded up on picks but if they lose Marshall, they could be in the same sentence as Oakland.

I think McDaniels may have put himself in an impossible situation.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;563131]I am not sure how we can laugh at the Broncos. Did they give up a third round pick and give him a 30 million dollar deal?[/quote]

No, but the Broncos owners has pretty much turned over the keys to the franchise to a teenage coach and he's making a lot of bogus moves. The Redskins have made mistakes, but hey at least it's the freaking owner making these decisions, not some unproven coach.

Can you imagine if Snyder had fired Gibbs, and given control of the franchise to a young assistant? Then that young assistant manages to drive Jay Cutler out of town, replaces him with Kyle Orton, and now it seems that Brandon Marshall is on his way out, being replaced by Brandon Lloyd. If that were to happen with the Redskins, there would be riots going on right now, cars would be flipped over and burned at Redskins Park.

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[quote=Ruhskins;563139]No, but the Broncos owners has pretty much turned over the keys to the franchise to a teenage coach and he's making a lot of bogus moves. The Redskins have made mistakes, but hey at least it's the freaking owner making these decisions, not some unproven coach.

Can you imagine if Snyder had fired Gibbs, and given control of the franchise to a young assistant? Then that young assistant manages to drive Jay Cutler out of town, replaces him with Kyle Orton, and now it seems that Brandon Marshall is on his way out, being replaced by Brandon Lloyd. If that were to happen with the Redskins, there would be riots going on right now, cars would be flipped over and burned at Redskins Park.[/quote]

Denver doesn't make any sense to me this offseason. There problem was on defense yet they decide to blow up the part of the team that was pretty damn good. Granted, McDaniels is an offensive guy and he wants to find his guys but it seems that they are completely rebuilding. I feel bad for Dawkins. He leaves a pre-season Super Bowl contender for "Oakland light".

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Anyone else smell a 5-11 season in the works for Denver?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;563143]Denver doesn't make any sense to me this offseason. There problem was on defense yet they decide to blow up the part of the team that was pretty damn good. Granted, McDaniels is an offensive guy and he wants to find his guys but it seems that they are completely rebuilding. I feel bad for Dawkins. He leaves a pre-season Super Bowl contender for "Oakland light".[/quote]

This makes me wonder why Denver didn't go after Spags or some other defensive minded coach.

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Just shows that Shanahan was the braines of the operation

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[quote=Mattyk72;563144]Anyone else smell a 5-11 season in the works for Denver?[/quote]

But.. but ... how can that be? They have Champ Bailey to carry them into the playoffs on his back....

Oh wait, it was Clinton Portis who did that.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;563156]But.. but ... how can that be? They have Champ Bailey to carry them into the playoffs on his back....

Oh wait, it was Clinton Portis who did that.[/quote]


Slow down. It was Gibbs who willed the team twice and Champ has been to the playoffs more and gotten much further than Portis has.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;563201]Slow down. It was Gibbs who willed the team twice and Champ has been to the playoffs more and gotten much further than Portis has.[/quote]

Champ's been to the playoffs more than Portis? (maybe only because Champ's been in the league longer, but not in recent years)

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[quote=SmootSmack;563204]Champ's been to the playoffs more than Portis? (maybe only because Champ's been in the league longer, but not in recent years)[/quote]

Ok they have both been twice since the trade. The Broncos missed two years by one game while we had a 6-10 and 5-11 in the seasons that we missed. They also missed winning their division by one game last year.

Champ has been to an AFC Championship game. Us.... not so much.

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The Broncos visit DC this year ,,,,, Landry knocks Loyd out of the game , and Portis runs for 170 yds and two td's , as the Skins ride the Broncos into the sunset 34-6 !!

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[quote=budw38;563215]The Broncos visit DC this year ,,,,, [B]Landry knocks Loyd out of the game ,[/B] and Portis runs for 170 yds and two td's , as the Skins ride the Broncos into the sunset 34-6 !![/quote]


That would be awesome - payback for those draft picks and the huge signing bonus down the drain.

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[quote=budw38;563215]The Broncos visit DC this year ,,,,, Landry knocks Loyd out of the game , and Portis runs for 170 yds and two td's , as the Skins ride the Broncos into the sunset 34-6 !![/quote]


This may be a little bit of wishful thinking since we haven't scored 30 or more in a while but we should definitley beat them handily.

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2004 – Denver: 10-6, One and done in the playoffs.
Washington: 6-10, No Playoffs, Off. Ranked 30th (by yards)

2005 – Denver: 13-3, Bye, Beats Indy, Loses to Pit in Conf. Championships.
Washington: 10-6, beat Tampa in WC Games, Lose to Seattle in Div. Rnd.

2006 – Denver: 9-7, No Playoffs, Def. Ranked 14th
Washington: 5-11, No Playoffs, Off. Ranked 11th

2007 – Denver: 7-9; No Playoffs, Def. ranked 19th
Washington: 9-7, one and done in the playoffs, Off. Ranked 13th.

2008 – Denver 7-9, No Playoffs, Def. ranked 29th
Washington 8-8; No Playoffs, Offense ranked 15th

So yes. In Champs second year with Denver they went to the conf. championship. One game further than CP and the Skins the same year. From 2006 on, neither team has been impressive.
As for the Gibbs willing the team to win, I’ll give you that in 2007 – after Taylor’s death Gibbs held the team together and pushed it into the playoffs.

2005 was a very different story. Yes Gibbs pushed and cajoled the victories – but it was Portis’ running that took us from 5-6 to 10-6. Go back and look at the stats (5 games: 573 yds; 6 TD and 1 passing TD) and the quotes from the players. 2005 was as much CP as Gibbs. Bailey has not done anything like that for the Broncos. He’s a great corner, but he has not [I][B]carried [/B][/I]them anywhere.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;563205]Ok they have both been twice since the trade. The Broncos missed two years by one game while we had a 6-10 and 5-11 in the seasons that we missed. [B] They also missed winning their division by one game last year.[/B]

Champ has been to an AFC Championship game. Us.... not so much.[/quote]

And yet they had a worse record than us. I don't think missing winning the division in this case really says much.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;563227]And yet they had a worse record than us. I don't think missing winning the division in this case really says much.[/quote]

Right. Put them in the NFC East and see how close they come to winning the division.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;563227]And yet they had a worse record than us. I don't think missing winning the division in this case really says much.[/quote]

They won several more games since Champ was traded. And they have competed for their division title almost every year. We definitely cannot say that. We have no division titles and no conference championship games.

I bleed burgandy and gold but to state that we have done better than Denver in the last 5 years is just wishful thinking.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;563260]They won several more games since Champ was traded. And they have competed for their division title almost every year. We definitely cannot say that. We have no division titles and no conference championship games.

I bleed burgandy and gold [B]but to state that we have done better than Denver in the last 5 years is just wishful thinking[/B].[/quote]

I certainly did not make that claim. And I have been a Broncos fan (2nd to the Skins by far) so I am glad they have had some success.

But to downplay the difference between the NFC East and AFC West is to deny the obvious. And Denver's success has been primarily on the offensive side of the ball, Champ doesn't really do to much WR work these days. Our success has been primarily on the defensive side, haven't seen CP line up at MLB recently either. I would go further and say that on both teams CP and Champ were both one of the brightest spot on their respective unit over the last few years

My bottom line on this, is both players have been solid additions to their team. The trade worked for both teams and I am looking forward to CP getting the rushing title this year!!!

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The Portis/Bailey deal has pretty much been a wash, not sure what the debate is even about anymore.

Back to Lloyd, it's crazy to me that teams are still willing to give this bum a shot. Marshall and Lloyd in the same locker room should be really interesting.

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[quote=Mattyk72;563296]The Portis/Bailey deal has pretty much been a wash, not sure what the debate is even about anymore.

[B]Back to Lloyd, it's crazy to me that teams are still willing to give this bum a shot. Marshall and Lloyd in the same locker room should be really interesting.[/B][/quote]

JLC basically predicted this last year when he said that Lloyd would turn it on for one year, put up decent numbers, and sucker someone into giving him one more deal. I think we all know how this will end, with him being rude to everyone in the organization from the lunch ladies up and catching like 15 balls. And then hopefully getting back to what he's best it: rapping!

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[quote=djnemo65;563298]JLC basically predicted this last year when he said that [B]Lloyd would turn it on for one year, put up decent numbers[/B], and sucker someone into giving him one more deal. [/quote]

And just when did he "turn it on"? His line last year was 26 catches in 11 games and that was for his college coach. He is barely training camp fodder, but just like a woman fascinated by "bad boys", every coach seems to be sure they can get something from this waste of god-given ability.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;563309]And just when did he "turn it on"? His line last year was 26 catches in 11 games and that was for his college coach. He is barely training camp fodder, but just like a woman fascinated by "bad boys", every coach seems to be sure they can get something from this waste of god-given ability.[/quote]

He got hurt. He was really good for the first 4 games of the season.

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This may sound funny; the only real "ability" Loyd has is speed & athleticism. I mean that not as a compliment, but that he is actually limited otherwise.

No matter how many acrobatic catches he makes, he doesn't catch the ball well inside, and in traffic. Sure he'll make a great catch when he can extend up w/a defender on him, but he doesn't make that many grabs when a db is lurking behind him.

He might've been able to high jump, triple jump, pole vault or run hurdles (don't know if he has that kind of speed though). He's gifted athletically but he's not a football player, doesn't seem to have the drive or the instincts for the game. The fact that he still is playing says something about his natural ability, but I don't think his natural ability is such that he could be a top nfl reciever if he wanted to. I think he could be much better than he is, but he'd never be "great."

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[quote=djnemo65;563312]He got hurt. He was really good for the first 4 games of the season.[/quote]

Outside of week 3 he didn't do very much.

week 1: 2-26
week 2: 5-66
week 3: 6-124-1
week 4: 2-33

The rest of this season looked like this:

week 11: 2-17
week 12: 1-3
week 13: 1-24
week 15: 2-21
week 16: 1-16
week 17: 4-34-1

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[quote=djnemo65;563312]He got hurt. He was really good for the first 4 games of the season.[/quote]

Looked up the stats and you're right that he was injured and out for 5 games in the middle of the season. He had one good game 3 against TBay (6 catches, 124 yards) and a 5 catch, 66 yard game against Carolina in game 2, and a 4 catch, 34 yard game in the final game of the season against Houston. Other than those three games he didn't catch more than two balls or get more than 33 yards in his other 8 games.

I think freddyg12's assessment is dead on.

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[quote=freddyg12;563313]This may sound funny; the only real "ability" Loyd has is speed & athleticism. I mean that not as a compliment, but that he is actually limited otherwise.

No matter how many acrobatic catches he makes, he doesn't catch the ball well inside, and in traffic. Sure he'll make a great catch when he can extend up w/a defender on him, but he doesn't make that many grabs when a db is lurking behind him.

He might've been able to high jump, triple jump, pole vault or run hurdles (don't know if he has that kind of speed though). He's gifted athletically but he's not a football player, doesn't seem to have the drive or the instincts for the game. The fact that he still is playing says something about his natural ability, but I don't think his natural ability is such that he could be a top nfl reciever if he wanted to. I think he could be much better than he is, but he'd never be "great."[/quote]

As we all know it takes a lot more than natural ability to play the game.

He's never been a good route runner, in fact in that area he's pretty piss poor.

His hands are iffy, and my guess is he's not a student of the game when it comes to watching film.

Ability can get to you the NFL, but after that hard work and dedication to your craft is what seperates the chumps from the quality players.

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[quote=Mattyk72;563319]As we all know it takes a lot more than natural ability to play the game.

He's never been a good route runner, in fact in that area he's pretty piss poor.

His hands are iffy, and my guess is he's not a student of the game when it comes to watching film.

[B]Ability can get to you the NFL, but after that hard work and dedication to your craft is what seperates the chumps from the quality players[/B].[/quote]

I'll take a less talented guy who works his ass off over a clown like Lloyd any day of the week.

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[quote=53Fan;563323]I'll take a less talented guy who works his ass off over a clown like Lloyd any day of the week.[/quote]

Yep. Give me a James Thrash type all day long over this clown.

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I've really gotten tired of the connotation of the word "athlete" over the years. It's become synonymous w/speed & leaping ability only. There are guys that have athletic ability that are not particularly fast & they can't jump out of the gym.

I agree, a guy like thrash is the anti-Loyd; willing to do whatever it takes. James Thrash is/was a football player. Loyd just happens to play football cause he can get paid.

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Lloyd has a really good agent and should be thankful that he does!

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[quote=freddyg12;563313]This may sound funny; the only real "ability" Loyd has is speed & athleticism. I mean that not as a compliment, but that he is actually limited otherwise.

No matter how many acrobatic catches he makes, he doesn't catch the ball well inside, and in traffic. Sure he'll make a great catch when he can extend up w/a defender on him, but he doesn't make that many grabs when a db is lurking behind him.

He might've been able to high jump, triple jump, pole vault or run hurdles (don't know if he has that kind of speed though). He's gifted athletically but he's not a football player, doesn't seem to have the drive or the instincts for the game. The fact that he still is playing says something about his natural ability, but I don't think his natural ability is such that he could be a top nfl reciever if he wanted to. I think he could be much better than he is, but he'd never be "great."[/quote]Essentially, this is a perfect description of the Brandon Lloyd conundrum. You see the highlight reels, and you think that there's no way that this guy doesn't have all the talent in the world. But that's the thing: he's never shown a single skill outside of the ability to make seemingly miraculous catches in one on one situations where his position should be much, much better anyway.

Bottom line is that the Redskins did not miss anything on Lloyd. It's true that his season with the Bears would have bested anything he actually did here, but he remains one of the worst "regulars" in the NFL, and we're better without him than with him.

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Why are people still discussing the Portis/Champ trade?

was years ago guys

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Ha! this is funny. His best yrs were in San Fran. 49er fans warned us about him saying he has issues and would not live up to his billing. He didn't. We let him go. He goes to Chicago and doesn't live up to his billing. What 1 TD. LOL. Now he's with Denver? I guess they are hoping he will live up to his billing....lol. How many more teams will he be on before everyone agrees he's not better then some of the camp fodder that shines during preseasn but gets let go. Can you say...."Over rated."

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[quote=JoeRedskin;563318]Looked up the stats and you're right that he was injured and out for 5 games in the middle of the season. He had one good game 3 against TBay (6 catches, 124 yards) and a 5 catch, 66 yard game against Carolina in game 2, and a 4 catch, 34 yard game in the final game of the season against Houston. Other than those three games he didn't catch more than two balls or get more than 33 yards in his other 8 games.

I think freddyg12's assessment is dead on.[/quote]

Yeah, I had it in my head that he played better than that. Although, for the record let me clarify that I was not arguing he's a good player.