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[QUOTE]Biggest Losers
Washington: Jason Campbell should feel unloved. The Redskins tried replacing him through an unsuccessful trade attempt for Jay Cutler. Washington, though, shouldn't be blamed for trying. Campbell is clearly the fourth-best quarterback in the division and failed to make many big plays in the second half of the 2008 season as the Redskins faded after a 6-2 start. Washington should be better defensively with the addition of free-agent defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, but the Redskins still lack a proven pass rusher. The Redskins hope rookie Brian Orakpo can make a quick impact, but that's asking a lot from their 2009 first-round draft choice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]WORST RE-SIGNING: Washington giving cornerback DeAngelo Hall a six-year, $55 million contract with $23 million in guaranteed money.

Yes, the same DeAngelo Hall who was such a washout in Oakland last season that he was cut after eight games even though the Raiders had signed him to their own massive contract. Hall is a good player but not that good.
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[B]click here for the full article and all of the winners, losers, and awards......[/B]

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[B]What do you guys think of the Skins hate in this article? [/B]

I actually disagree with the notion that that Skins were one of the three biggest losers this offseason. The Skins got a top five defensive player in the league in Albert Haynesworth. They also signed Derrick Dockery to help boost their offensive line. The Skins re-signed DeAngelo Hall to a large contract and probably overpaid but he played well for the Skins after coming from Oakland.

In the draft we got maybe the best defensive player in the draft in Orakpo at pick 13. I dont understand the article when it knocks our pass rush when we tried to improve it for the first time in the draft since 1997. I think with Haynesworth on the line and Orakpos talent level Orakpo should have a very solid 2009.

The Skins upgraded their offensive line with the signing of Dockery and some solid moves signing Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges. They also upgraded a defense that had trouble getting turnovers with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. I dont think the Skins failing to trade Campbell twice outweighs the positives of maybe the best offseason in DC since Gibbs cameback in 2004.

As for Hall being the worst re-signing of any player this offseason I dont have a problem with that as much. The Skins did overpay and have taken a gamble on Hall. If Hall continues his solid play in DC and builds on it then it was a nice signing. If Hall falls flat on his face it may be the worst FA signing ever. I actually think Hall will have a shot at the Pro Bowl with all of the INT chances he might get with the new additions on defense.

One other thing I noticed in the article was the Browns listed as having the worst draft The Browns had one of the best drafts this year imo. Knocking the Browns draft made no sense to me. The draft picks of Alex Mack (who was the top rated interior lineman prospect), Brian Robiskie (who has the best hands and route running out of any WR in the draft), and Mohamed Massaquoi (who was very underrated at Georgia) were all very nice.

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It's asking a lot of the 13th overall pick to impact our pass rush?

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thats total crap. so the skins tried to upgrade the qb position and were unable to do so. it's not like campbell is garbage.

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[quote=Mattyk72;561005]It's asking a lot of the 13th overall pick to impact our pass rush?[/quote]

The author definitely understated the compounding effect Haynesworth will have on the rest of the line.

You don't have to be very good to get 8 sacks playing next to Albert Haynesworth. He'll impact the pass rush more than Orakpo will. If Orakpo brings just Andre Carter type skills, he'll get home 10+ times.

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[quote=Schneed10;561011]You don't have to be very good to get 8 sacks playing next to Albert Haynesworth. He'll impact the pass rush more than Orakpo will. If Orakpo brings just Andre Carter type skills, he'll get home 10+ times.[/quote]

Agreed. I think Orakpo at the very least will have 8 sacks this year. If he plays to his talent level as a rookie he can hit double digit sacks and become DROY.

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This article is ridiculous. We had a good offseason, but all of the signings don't mean anything until we play on the field.

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Way too many people are caught up in all these offseason power polls, winners and losers, etc etc.

Who gives a rat's ass what Fox thinks of us on June 1st? I know we're desperate for NFL stuff to talk about, but it's a lot of wasted energy to get frustrated over this kind of crap.

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[quote=GMScud;561021]Way too many people are caught up in all these offseason power polls, winners and losers, etc etc.

Who gives a rat's ass what Fox thinks of us on June 1st? I know we're desperate for NFL stuff to talk about, but it's a lot of wasted energy to get frustrated over this kind of crap.[/quote]

I dont think people like myself are caught up in offseason rankings. I think its a great way to kill the dead time on this board til the start of training camp/preseason. I like the rankings more for the different discussions that can be had about the Redskins and other teams on this board during the next couple months.

I honestly dont care what Fox or any source thinks per say. I think its a time killer to talk about different teams and how they stack up for this upcoming season or how certain moves in the offseason will work out in different posters opinions.

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Campbell will remain the worst QB in the division...until Eli's first pick on September 10th. After that, I predict not one voice will refer to Campbell as the worst QB in the NFC Beast ever again the rest of his career.

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[quote=GMScud;561021]Way too many people are caught up in all these offseason power polls, winners and losers, etc etc.

Who gives a rat's ass what Fox thinks of us on June 1st? I know we're desperate for NFL stuff to talk about, but it's a lot of wasted energy to get frustrated over this kind of crap.[/quote]
That's exactly how I think about it. It's ridiculous to read this when you know most of the writers hate the us. Who gives a damn! Once the season starts then we can determine who had the best offseason, but right now you can't. What if [B](God forbid)[/B]Haynesworth got hurt the first snap of training camp and was out for the year? All of the offseason magizine poll stuff wouldn't mean crap. Too many people think football is played on paper, Internet, etc.

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Ahhh, You gotta love the media. They never give up an opportunity to shit on The Redskins... In the last 10-15 years it seems to be a knee-jerk reaction for the media to be negative about ANY news on The Redskins. Even more so since Danny bought the team. Its almost to the degree of lazy journalism that most reports come out in a negative light. Although, I realize that The Skins have had little to celebrate since winning our last Superbowl, I would argue that OVERALL The Redskins have had better seasons than the cowpukes, who HAVE NOT won a playoff game SINCE 1996! (won SB) Yet, The media perpetually covers the cowroids as a contender, and The Skins as a pretender.... I guess it's something as a Redskins fan I have to except, But I do remember the days when we were respected, and can't wait to see these talking heads eat a big ole' bowl of crow.

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So Campbell has something to prove in a contract year, thats a bad thing??? That rational makes no sense. Other than overpaying Hall we had a tremendous offseason. Whats with this incessant view that Redskins are the only team ever to consider a quarterback upgrade.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;561028]Ahhh, You gotta love the media. They never give up an opportunity to shit on The Redskins... In the last 10-15 years it seems to be a knee-jerk reaction for the media to be negative about ANY news on The Redskins. Even more so since Danny bought the team. Its almost to the degree of lazy journalism that most reports come out in a negative light. Although, I realize that The Skins have had little to celebrate since winning our last Superbowl, I would argue that OVERALL The Redskins have had better seasons than the cowpukes, who HAVE NOT won a playoff game SINCE 1996! (won SB) Yet, The media perpetually covers the cowroids as a contender, and The Skins as a pretender.... I guess it's something as a Redskins fan I have to except, But I do remember the days when we were respected, and can't wait to see these talking heads eat a big ole' bowl of crow.[/quote]

Lets have a freaking dominant season and maybe we will be viewed differant, its only been 18 years since one.

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[quote=Zerohero;561058]Lets have a freaking dominant season and maybe we will be viewed differant, its only been 18 years since one.[/quote]
Hopefully/:frusty:Unfortunately..

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We will see how it all turns out once the season starts and how it wears on.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;561003]click here for the full article and all of the winners, losers, and awards......

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What do you guys think of the Skins hate in this article?

I actually disagree with the notion that that Skins were one of the three biggest losers this offseason. The Skins got a top five defensive player in the league in Albert Haynesworth. They also signed Derrick Dockery to help boost their offensive line. The Skins re-signed DeAngelo Hall to a large contract and probably overpaid but he played well for the Skins after coming from Oakland.

In the draft we got maybe the best defensive player in the draft in Orakpo at pick 13. I dont understand the article when it knocks our pass rush when we tried to improve it for the first time in the draft since 1997. I think with Haynesworth on the line and Orakpos talent level Orakpo should have a very solid 2009.

[B]The Skins upgraded their offensive line with the signing of Dockery and some solid moves signing Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges. [/B]They also upgraded a defense that had trouble getting turnovers with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. I dont think the Skins failing to trade Campbell twice outweighs the positives of maybe the best offseason in DC since Gibbs cameback in 2004.

As for Hall being the worst re-signing of any player this offseason I dont have a problem with that as much. The Skins did overpay and have taken a gamble on Hall. If Hall continues his solid play in DC and builds on it then it was a nice signing. If Hall falls flat on his face it may be the worst FA signing ever. I actually think Hall will have a shot at the Pro Bowl with all of the INT chances he might get with the new additions on defense.

One other thing I noticed in the article was the Browns listed as having the worst draft The Browns had one of the best drafts this year imo. Knocking the Browns draft made no sense to me. The draft picks of Alex Mack (who was the top rated interior lineman prospect), Brian Robiskie (who has the best hands and route running out of any WR in the draft), and Mohamed Massaquoi (who was very underrated at Georgia) were all very nice.[/quote]

It's difficult to say just yet whether the additions of Dockery, Mike Williams, and Jeremy Bridges to the offensive line are "upgrades". Hopefully they are, but to the football world outside of Redskinsland, they truly are longshots.

I disagree totally about DeAngelo Hall. He was a brilliant pickup, and his time spent in the dumpster fire that is the Oakland Raiders should be completely disregarded. He's better fitted for the system we use, and will make up one of the better one-two punches at cornerback in the league.

I have complete confidence in DeAngelo Hall, and the critics of his signing will eat their words.

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Was there any proof at all that we truly tried to go after Sanchez? Was it all just rumor?

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Wow a national writer with negative generalities about the Redskins and predicting demise. He forgot to mention that we've gotten nothing out of our second year receivers and we just released one of our cornerstone offensive lineman. Only then will his analysis be complete.

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[quote=Beemnseven;561067]It's difficult to say just yet whether the additions of Dockery, Mike Williams, and Jeremy Bridges to the offensive line are "upgrades". Hopefully they are, but to the football world outside of Redskinsland, they truly are longshots.
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I disagree totally about DeAngelo Hall. He was a brilliant pickup, and his time spent in the dumpster fire that is the Oakland Raiders should be completely disregarded. He's better fitted for the system we use, and will make up one of the better one-two punches at cornerback in the league.

I have complete confidence in DeAngelo Hall, and the critics of his signing will eat their words.[/B][/quote]
Randy Moss was garbage, a quitter and washed up when he played in Oakland also. How did that turn out once he left? Hmm..

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;561017]Agreed. I think Orakpo at the very least will have 8 sacks this year. If he plays to his talent level as a rookie he can hit double digit sacks and become DROY.[/quote]

Didn't see that predition coming from you...haha

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[quote=Mattyk72;561005]It's asking a lot of the 13th overall pick to impact our pass rush?[/quote]

Why? every first round player from 1-20 should be impacting their team in some kind of way, and with Big Al drawing the Double teams, no reason, he shouldn't pick up 8-9 sacks as a rookie, if he is on the line, if a w-side linebacker....maybe 7-8, but you draft the first round for impact! There is no reason Brian Orakapo, shouldnt be impacting the team in a positive way, the only way i see if he is a bust, and that's most of players coming out of Texas, trace back ten years and you will see!( on the texas bust)

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[quote=MasterBlaster;561075]Why? every first round player from 1-20 should be impacting their team in some kind of way, and with Big Al drawing the Double teams, no reason, he shouldn't pick up 8-9 sacks as a rookie, if he is on the line, if a w-side linebacker....maybe 7-8, but you draft the first round for impact! There is no reason Brian Orakapo, shouldnt be impacting the team in a positive way, the only way i see if he is a bust, and that's most of players coming out of Texas, trace back ten years and you will see!( on the texas bust)[/quote]
See sarcasm my friend... There is a hint of humor about...:smashfrea

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What does this symbol mean:

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But seriously folks, I think this has been a pretty good offseason as long as AH doesn't pull a Mike Williams on us in the next year or two.

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[quote]Agreed. I think Orakpo at the very least will have 8 sacks this year. If he plays to his talent level as a rookie he can hit double digit sacks and become DROY.[/quote]

I disagree. It's tough to get a lot of sacks from the SAM LB position. I really feel like playing him at strong LB is a huge mistake. Toss him next to AH on the line and let him benefit from single blocking.

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[quote=Paintrain;561071]Wow a national writer with negative generalities about the Redskins and predicting demise. He forgot to mention that we've gotten nothing out of our second year receivers and we just released one of our cornerstone offensive lineman. Only then will his analysis be complete.[/quote]

and he forgot to mention how DS is just playing fantasy football by signing AH just like he did with Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders.

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Oh yeah, TO as the BEST off-season signing???

Let's see, a declining diva receiver with a history of dividing teams, on a team with a young QB who has yet to estabish himself. Oh yeah, that's some great analysis!!

What a waste.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;561070]Was there any proof at all that we truly tried to go after Sanchez? Was it all just rumor?[/quote]

There was interest, but probably not nearly as much as some may think. And we, of course, weren't the only team to show interest in Sanchez.

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[quote=Daseal;561102]I disagree. It's tough to get a lot of sacks from the SAM LB position. I really feel like playing him at strong LB is a huge mistake. Toss him next to AH on the line and let him benefit from single blocking.[/quote]

He's going to be playing DE on 3rd downs and obvious passing situations.

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[quote=MasterBlaster;561075]Why? every first round player from 1-20 should be impacting their team in some kind of way, and with Big Al drawing the Double teams, no reason, he shouldn't pick up 8-9 sacks as a rookie, if he is on the line, if a w-side linebacker....maybe 7-8, but you draft the first round for impact! There is no reason Brian Orakapo, shouldnt be impacting the team in a positive way, the only way i see if he is a bust, and that's most of players coming out of Texas, trace back ten years and you will see!( on the texas bust)[/quote]

reading comprehension fail

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When dont the Skins overpay?