Redskins Win In Appeals Court
 

The Skins won in the Appeals Court on the suit challenging the team's nickname as being racist. Unfortunately, it was decided on a technicality and not on the issue of the propriety of the nickname - - meaning that there can and probably will be further lawsuits on this matter.

Now, if the team can be equally successful on the field in the 2009 season ...

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firsts!!!!! (j/k)

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I wouldn't freak out if the team decided or was forced to change the name. It wouldn't change a single Redskin fan's passion for the team.

Maybe it would if they came up with a crazy name like the Wizards.

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Well of course not, I don't think any Redskins fan chose to be the fan based on the logo or colors (I hope not!).. But if Redskins lost and is forced to change the logo - I think it would be absolutely weird.. I will continue rooting for the team but I just have hard time imagining the team with other kind of logo..

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Why do people keep suing the Redskins for their name? Who really cares. Is it really going to make these peoples lives any better if there is no team named the Redskins anymore? If somebody really gets offended that easily I think they have bigger problems.

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[quote=steveo395;557965]Why do people keep suing the Redskins for their name? Who really cares. Is it really going to make these peoples lives any better if there is no team named the Redskins anymore? If somebody really gets offended that easily I think they have bigger problems.[/quote]

I really agree with you.

Some people just want to take trivial issues and try to impose their beliefs on them to make it seem like they've made a some kind of impact on the world around them.

If you are that put out by the name of the team then I suggest you don't cheer for them. It's a much cheaper solution and I won't have to have your beliefs imposed on me.

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I imagine there is some financial incentive in these lawsuits. If they do show damages, they might receive some sort of settlement? no? I don't know, just wondering.

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Washington Warriors.

Just doesn't sound right.

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If we are forced to change the name in the future. Whomever filed the lawsuit can just sell their casino and send Dan a $1.2 Billion check.

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I suppose to sue the following teams due to the stated reasons:

1 - Buffalo Bills: Named after a famous animal slaughter
2 - Cincinnati Bengals: Tigers eat people. Baaad!
3 - Cleveland Browns: Brown = the political party colour of the right wing in Germany
4 - Piitsburgh Stellers: Steel is needed for weapons production
5 - Jacksonville Jaguars: see 2
6 - Oakland Raiders: Raiders kill people. Baaad!
7 - San Diego Chargers: Lightning Bolts kill people. Baaad!
8 - Dallas Cowboys: Cowboys killed Redskins!
9 - Philadelphia Eagles: I don´t like em. That should be reason enough.
10 - Washington Redskins: known reasons
11 - Chicago Bears: see 2
12 - Detroit Lions: see 2
13 - Minnesota Vikings: Vikings killed poeple. Baaad!
14 - Carolina Panthers: see 2
15 - New Orleans Saints: many people were killed in the name of God and Saints. Baaad!
16 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers: see 6

Well... sueing half the NFL should be lotsa fun, don´t ya think?

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First off, I am a die hard Skins fan. Because I am not Native American, I can not comment as to whether or not the name "Redskins" is offensive. However I can see how the term "red skins", if seen similar to it's usage on old westerns, could be viewed as derogatory. I also can understand Snyder unwillingness to change his branding as a business decision. If I was forced to make a decision, I would probably rule against ALL sports/business franchises' being able to use racial/ethnic caricatures or symbols. I liken it to having teams named the "San Francisco Spooks" or the "Pittsburgh Pale Faces". I think these names would never be tolerated. Who are we to judge another nationality on how they feel towards their likeness or culture being used?

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spelling- baaad!

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Finally, some real news. Not the most exciting news, but still. Here's a link for those interested:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/court-upholds-decision-for-ski.html]Redskins Insider - Appeals Court Upholds Ruling for Skins[/url]

I do find it ironic that this decision is being made by the US government, who probably wronged Native Americans more than anyone else.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;557970]I really agree with you.

Some people just want to take trivial issues and try to impose their beliefs on them to make it seem like they've made a some kind of impact on the world around them.

If you are that put out by the name of the team then I suggest you don't cheer for them. It's a much cheaper solution and I won't have to have your beliefs imposed on me.[/quote]

NO, not close!
To many Native Americans ...the word Redskin ...has the same connotation as the "N" word does for African Americans ,to them it's not trivial.........not by a long shot!

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[quote=redsk1;557972]Washington Warriors.

Just doesn't sound right.[/quote]

How bout , Washington Indians..?

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[quote=Giantone;557995]NO, not close!
To many Native Americans ...the word Redskin ...has the same connotation as the "N" word does for African Americans ,to them it's not trivial.........not by a long shot![/quote]

To many it's not a big deal

[url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6093796/]'Redskins' mascot acceptable, poll says - NFC East- nbcsports.msnbc.com[/url]

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The Buccaneers are pirates.

There are still actual pirates roaming around the coast of Somolia inflicting terrible damage and destruction. Families lives have been altered tramatically by these pirates and they should not be revered.

I am offended by this name and encourage everyone to take it up with your local state and federal officials.


I am also the same dumbass who wants to change the Redskins name.

(Sorry a bit of role play there. I know for a fact that I am bias I just think that name changing has no relevence to people)

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[quote=SmootSmack;557998]To many it's not a big deal

[URL="http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6093796/"]'Redskins' mascot acceptable, poll says - NFC East- nbcsports.msnbc.com[/URL][/quote]

I understand that but to a growing number it is.

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Hope the skins can keep winning these appeals. Theres nothing wrong with any of the teams names, especially the redskins. Just like the buccaneers, its just a name of a team and nothing more. Yes there are pirates for real into days world, but the name is not making these men who call themselves pirates, do the crimes they are committing. Its the people themselves. Just like the gun issues, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Long live the name WASHINGTON REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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if anyone is interested.


[url=http://www.petitiononline.com/wr3s6651/petition.html]The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition[/url]

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I'm just going to repost my thoughts from the last time this topic came up.

It admittedly does get increasingly difficult to pretend that the team's name does not have some other connotation. And the really cold fact is that, because Native Americans have been so marginalized in our society (once their society), that the offensiveness passes unnoticed because there is really no one around to hear the tree fall in the forest. A name that gave that kind of depiction to Blacks or Ricans like me would get shouted down because there are enough people in that constituency with enough of a relevant voice sure to tell society that that is unacceptable.

Couple of ironies though. One is that the fact is that when you say the word "Redskins" in so-called mainstream U.S. society, what people think of first IS the football team, and NOT the ethnic group. Another is that research (which I don’t have right in front of me right now) reveals that Native Americans themselves throughout the years at all levels of sport have themselves named their teams Redskins. Hmm.

When people talked about "ni**ers" that word was laced with hatred and a misguided superiority at the time it was being said, with violence, lynchings, separate restrooms, back of the bus, you name it. But when we say the word Redskins today, there is no associated hatred or sense of
supremacy vis a vis Native Americans; the word comes out of the mouth without any associated negative baggage. Sure, it is the same "word," but the substance is not the same at all. The prevailing argument is that we should dispense with the word because it is offensive and does not
represent our society today. But since we know that it does not represent today's society, then the alleged offensive substance of the word has already been rendered meaningless !

Even on the team itself, I don't remember anyone thinking Mark Rypien was dumb or reviled as the quarterback because he was Native American; of course not. So, where is the real offensiveness? What was that we learned in school, "sticks and stones may break my bones..."

Growing up for me (and I’m sure others), the name depicted bravery and glory etc. and that, as far as the Washington Redskins were concerned specifically to be called a "true Redskin" was a badge of honor in the sports world and in the local community, as it stood for humble guys who worked hard on the field with great teamwork and gave to the community off of it. It was hardly
disparaging at all and really had nothing to do with offending Native Americans b/c again, Redskin conjured up the image of Darrell Green and Art Monk, not Sitting Bull.

As a minority myself, I sometimes find it perplexing that other minorities in the U.S. would look so quickly to self-identify as hyphenated, and to marginalize themselves by choosing to direct their collective energy to take up the cause of being offended by labels and semantics.

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[quote=Giantone;558008]if anyone is interested.


[url=http://www.petitiononline.com/wr3s6651/petition.html]The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition[/url][/quote]

No thanks.

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[quote=Giantone;558005]I understand that but to a growing number it is.[/quote]
Can we see your research?

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[quote=SmootSmack;558009]I'm just going to repost my thoughts from the last time this topic came up.

It admittedly does get increasingly difficult to pretend that the team's name does not have some other connotation. And the really cold fact is that, because Native Americans have been so marginalized in our society (once their society), that the offensiveness passes unnoticed because there is really no one around to hear the tree fall in the forest. A name that gave that kind of depiction to Blacks or Ricans like me would get shouted down because there are enough people in that constituency with enough of a relevant voice sure to tell society that that is unacceptable.

Couple of ironies though. One is that the fact is that when you say the word "Redskins" in so-called mainstream U.S. society, what people think of first IS the football team, and NOT the ethnic group. Another is that research (which I don’t have right in front of me right now) reveals that Native Americans themselves throughout the years at all levels of sport have themselves named their teams Redskins. Hmm.

When people talked about "ni**ers" that word was laced with hatred and a misguided superiority at the time it was being said, with violence, lynchings, separate restrooms, back of the bus, you name it. But when we say the word Redskins today, there is no associated hatred or sense of
supremacy vis a vis Native Americans; the word comes out of the mouth without any associated negative baggage. Sure, it is the same "word," but the substance is not the same at all. The prevailing argument is that we should dispense with the word because it is offensive and does not
represent our society today. But since we know that it does not represent today's society, then the alleged offensive substance of the word has already been rendered meaningless !

Even on the team itself, I don't remember anyone thinking Mark Rypien was dumb or reviled as the quarterback because he was Native American; of course not. So, where is the real offensiveness? What was that we learned in school, "sticks and stones may break my bones..."

Growing up for me (and I’m sure others), the name depicted bravery and glory etc. and that, as far as the Washington Redskins were concerned specifically to be called a "true Redskin" was a badge of honor in the sports world and in the local community, as it stood for humble guys who worked hard on the field with great teamwork and gave to the community off of it. It was hardly
disparaging at all and really had nothing to do with offending Native Americans b/c again, Redskin conjured up the image of Darrell Green and Art Monk, not Sitting Bull.

As a minority myself, I sometimes find it perplexing that other minorities in the U.S. would look so quickly to self-identify as hyphenated, and to marginalize themselves by choosing to direct their collective energy to take up the cause of being offended by labels and semantics.[/quote]

Exactly! Well said Smoot!:httr:

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I could deal with them changing the logo (and actually would be in favor of them going to like the spear or something)...

If they changed the name, and they changed it to anything other than "The Skins'" or "Skins'" Or somthing... It'd be pretty tough for me to accept not being from the DC area and rooting for them based on location.

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[quote=Giantone;558008]if anyone is interested.


[url=http://www.petitiononline.com/wr3s6651/petition.html]The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition[/url][/quote]

Ha I wonder what Dan Snyder does with that piece of paper when it gets maild to him..

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Im happy the Skins won because it would feel weird calling the Redskins something else. Honestly though the team name imo is racist. If they changed it it wouldnt bother me as much as other Redskins fans.

[quote=GridIron26;557963]Well of course not, I don't think any Redskins fan chose to be the fan based on the logo or colors (I hope not!)[/quote]

Actually the colors were one of many reasons why I started liking the Redskins as a kid. I dont understand why you would hope not?

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we could just change change the name to Maroonskins

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[quote=Giantone;557997]How bout , Washington Indians..?[/quote]

How bout lot of Native Americans like having teams named after some type of Indian reference. Last game i was at in Arizona i lost count of Native Americans with redskin jerseys. All this legislation is from a small group and while i cant say for sure in this case, is normally based on money and not honor.

In all seriousness, with the horrible history of their treatment back in the day, don't hold your breath with these lawsuits. I guess what i'm saying is a lot has to be done before we worry bout the names of our sports teams.

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You know what if they don't like the name don't root for the team. Everyone thinks we all should think a like. It's every where even in Gov. We elect people to sit in Washington and make decisions as to what we as a society would want and they vote on it no matter if it's the popular vote or not.

People are way too politically correct. Which is why I love Carlos Mencia. I just wish people would not try to force their oppinions of what I should watch or listen to on my radio. If you don't like it change the channel.

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I often wonder if the other teams are getting as much flack like the Kansas City Cheifs? or the Cleveland Indians, or the Florida Seminols.

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[quote=SBXVII;558031]I often wonder if the other teams are getting as much flack like the Kansas City Cheifs? or the Cleveland Indians, or the Florida Seminols.[/quote]

None of those are slurs against Indians. I root for the Redskins and respect all Indians. At the sametime I can understand why some Indians who live in this country find it offensive.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;557953]The Skins won in the Appeals Court on the suit challenging the team's nickname as being racist. Unfortunately, it was decided on a technicality and not on the issue of the propriety of the nickname - - meaning that there can and probably will be further lawsuits on this matter.

Now, if the team can be equally successful on the field in the 2009 season ...[/quote]

I thought this nonsense was over. Don't they realize that George Preston Marshall named the team because of all the NA players they had when they were in Boston? It was a respect thing. People need to get over themselves. :doh:

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[quote=Missin21;558046]I thought this nonsense was over. Don't they realize that George Preston Marshall named the team because of all the NA players they had when they were in Boston? It was a respect thing. People need to get over themselves. :doh:[/quote]

The same George Preston Marshall who also didnt allow blacks on the Redskins until the government forced him in 1962?

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A whopping 46 people have attached their name to that petition. There is a small group who believe that the name is racist and want it removed. After they win that fight they will proceed to the next fight. That is their choice, but I don't believe most people look at the name as racist. It may be to some and not to others.
"The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition"

I am mostly white with some Cherokee blood, and I love the Redskins. I look at the symbol as one of honor for the Native Americans. They were warriors as all the peoples and tribes in this world have been. When I see the current Redskin symbol, I only have positive thoughts of the Native Americans. Every Sunday when the Redskins play everyone who watches mostly sees a football game, but some will see a positive symbol of a proud people, and some will only think of what they had, and will never have again.

These people may get their way, and what will they be left with? The remembrance of their people and what they once were will fade even more into a distance memory.
Some of these name changes are crazy; soon there will be no Indian names at all. The Native Americans will then have truly vanished from the modern arena of warfare, called sports.

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[quote=Giantone;557997]How bout , Washington Indians..?[/quote]

Can we also take Chief Wahoo from Cleveland too?!?!

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558043]None of those are slurs against Indians. I root for the Redskins and respect all Indians. At the sametime I can understand why some Indians who live in this country find it offensive.[/quote]

I agree that the Cleveland Indians is not a slur against Native Americans, but you have to agree that the mascot, Chief Wahoo, is more offensive than the one on the Redskins helmet...

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Even if they ever lose they don't have to change the name. They can still be called the Redskins. Redskins are potato's too aren't they? It would be kind of stupid or corny to be named after a potato but could still be called the Redskins.

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[quote=Redskins8588;558060]I agree that the Cleveland Indians is not a slur against Native Americans, but you have to agree that the mascot, Chief Wahoo, is more offensive than the one on the Redskins helmet...[/quote]

Yes it is. Im referring to the Redskins team name.

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[quote=SmokinSkins;558056]A whopping 46 people have attached their name to that petition. There is a small group who believe that the name is racist and want it removed. After they win that fight they will proceed to the next fight. That is their choice, but I don't believe most people look at the name as racist. It may be to some and not to others.
"The Demise and Removal of the Washington Redskins Logo Petition"

I am mostly white with some Cherokee blood, and I love the Redskins. I look at the symbol as one of honor for the Native Americans. They were warriors as all the peoples and tribes in this world have been. When I see the current Redskin symbol, I only have positive thoughts of the Native Americans. Every Sunday when the Redskins play everyone who watches mostly sees a football game, but some will see a positive symbol of a proud people, and some will only think of what they had, and will never have again.

These people may get their way, and what will they be left with? The remembrance of their people and what they once were will fade even more into a distance memory.
Some of these name changes are crazy; soon there will be no Indian names at all. The Native Americans will then have truly vanished from the modern arena of warfare, called sports.[/quote]

Good post. Thanks for your imput and welcome to The Warpath!