Which of the Top 4 OT's will be the better pro in your opinion
 

We all know that there are four "elite" level offensive tackles that will be taken by pick 15 in next weeks draft, most draft "experts" have Jason Smith rated as the best tackle coming in but what I wanna know is who do you think will be the better professional? Andre Smith once thought to be a shot for number one overall pick has really taken a stumble but not enough to take him out of the first half of round 1.

While I think that Eugene Monroe is the most complete of the four I think that Smith will be the better pro of the four if he can get his head on str8, he just reminds me of Jeff Otah of last year if he gets his hands on you, you aren't going anywhere, If he can only stay in shape but I feel he has the biggest Boom/Bust ratio of the four what say you fellas????

P.S. : If this has already been done sorry and I ask that JoeCrisp lock it. (or TMC lol)

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Jason Smith
Michael Oher
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith

In that order.

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[quote=GTripp0012;545918]Jason Smith
Michael Oher
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith

In that order.[/quote]

Agreed. Exactly in that order.

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Dont get me wrong I love Oher if we were to get him I ould not shed a tear, but there is just sometihng in me that is saying IF he can stay focused and not mess it up that Andre Smith will be the best of them all.

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I was thinking that order as well but I don;t know what it is that has me leaning towards Smith (Andre that is)

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;545922]Dont get me wrong I love Oher if we were to get him I ould not shed a tear, but there is just sometihng in me that is saying IF he can stay focused and not mess it up that Andre Smith will be the best of them all.[/quote]

It's such a big IF though. He's so gifted physically that in college he could roll out of bed and win the Outland Trophy. In the NFL it takes more. He's gonna have to work a lot harder off the field to be successful at the next level. That's the biggest question.

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[quote=GTripp0012;545918]Jason Smith
Michael Oher
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith

In that order.[/quote]

I have no strong argument but personally I'd put Monroe ahead of Oher and maybe at the top of the list. I think he has less to learn than others and is bigger than Smith. Maybe I'm just a Cavaliers homer, though.

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[quote=GMScud;545924]It's such a big IF though. He's so gifted physically that in college he could roll out of bed and win the Outland Trophy. In the NFL it takes more. He's gonna have to work a lot harder off the field to be successful at the next level. That's the biggest question.[/quote]


That's what I was saying if he can realize that and play to his potential that the sky is the limit, if not then the limits the sky, which in retrospect is the same thing. But you get what I am saying.

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I think A. Smith has the potential to be great, the question is whether he's willing to work for it, and if he comes to us I think he'll be better than J. Smith and Monroe because we have some good players around him (Portis, Cambell, Cooley, Moss) and vets (Samuels, Thomas, Dockery). All of this is assuming we draft him.

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I can't back it up but I think Tripp's order is essentially consensus and I am worried about Jason Smith only from a gut-feeling stand point. My gut tells me he will be just a good tackle. He just seems sorta "safe" to me and "safe" usually means good but not dominate. Oher appears to have huge upside and I think Andre Smith has been overly discounted. I don't know what to think of Monroe. He seems like another "safe" pick although I am probably a bit biased by Ferguson being less than dominate for Jets. We'll see. I don't think any of them have bust written all over them. I'd be happy with any of them at proper value in the market.

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Who is Joe Crisp?

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Alot of people are saying if it wasn't for the amount of good OT's in this years draft Oher would be a top 5 pick

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I believe Andre Smith has the highest ceiling, but he's also the greatest risk. I would be happy to get any of the four at #13.

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I honestly haven't gotten a chance to see all of them play. I watched Oher closely in their bowl game, and I must say that I was disappointed but only because of a few plays. He seemed to be late off the ball & the DE ran around him w/little resistance. That's been the knock on him though, not always focused. Otherwise, athletically he looks like a great one.

From what I've read, I think A. Smith may be the best pick. The things he's lacking are coachable. I would think that Buges would love the challenge of coaching this guy into a star.

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correction to my previous post, I've seen Monroe a lot over the years, guess I took him for granted. He was always tough. Will have a solid pro career.

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Jason Smith
Andre Smith [COLOR=darkred](this guy will surprise the He..out of everyone) Pro bowl in 2nd season [/COLOR]
Eugene Monroe
Michael Oher

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[quote=Mattyk72;545966]Who is Joe Crisp?[/quote]

Um...the 5th best OT?

I think Michael Oher. I'd say Andre Smith except he's probably going to really make his mark in the league as a Guard. But I think Oher should be a no-brainer for us if he's there at 13.

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Good question!! I'm not sure myself but from what I have seen and read all information on the top 4 Ts.. It appears as if Oher and A. Smith could be in same breath with Odgen and Pace, which is not something that people advocate for J. Smith and Monroe to be in same category with Odgen and Pace.. But Oher and A. Smith are not guaranteed to be successful, compared to J. Smith and Monroe; however if they are successful then they would be in same category with Odgen and Pace..

Assuming that Oher and A. Smith would be successful:

A. Smith
Oher
J. Smith
Monroe

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[quote=GridIron26;546139]Good question!! I'm not sure myself but from what I have seen and read all information on the top 4 Ts.. It appears as if Oher and A. Smith could be in same breath with Odgen and Pace, which is not something that people advocate for J. Smith and Monroe to be in same category with Odgen and Pace.. But Oher and A. Smith are not guaranteed to be successful, compared to J. Smith and Monroe; however if they are successful then they would be in same category with Odgen and Pace..

Assuming that Oher and A. Smith would be successful:

A. Smith
Oher
J. Smith
Monroe[/quote]

As confusing as that is GridIron26 :) I actually agree with you. I think Monroe and J. Smith are more NFL ready right now but A. Smith and Oher have more potential. But basing a player's future ability on potential also gives them more of a chance of being a bust. I like Oher but A. Smith's immaturity scares me a bit. I think they have more upside and like you say, if they're successful, I think they would turn out to be better players.

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[quote=Mattyk72;545966]Who is Joe Crisp?[/quote]


The cousin of Snap, Crackle, and Pop.

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[quote=53Fan;546144]As confusing as that is GridIron26 :) I actually agree with you. I think Monroe and J. Smith are more NFL ready right now but A. Smith and Oher have more potential. [B]But basing a player's future ability on potential also gives them more of a chance of being a bust.[/B] I like Oher but A. Smith's immaturity scares me a bit. I think they have more upside and like you say, if they're successful, I think they would turn out to be better players.[/quote]

Lol yea.. The sentence with bold is pretty much right on the nose.. While J. Smith and Monroe are pretty much "safe" picks but I doubt they would be in same category with Odgen and Pace..

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By the way, the latest report from inside Redskins Park says the Redskins have decided not to pursue any of these OTs at the #13 spot, even if one is available, and instead look later in the draft for some line help.

Could just be posturing though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;546374]By the way, the latest report from inside Redskins Park says the Redskins have decided not to pursue any of these OTs at the #13 spot, even if one is available, and instead look later in the draft for some line help.

Could just be posturing though.[/quote]Not at all surprised. The value of the pick is tied up in it's future value, i.e. having a LT of the future. We're playing for this year.

So I'm convinced the pick will be on the defensive side. As long as the player is scheme-neutral (which will be tricky), I'm okay with that.

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Hey does anyone know what ever happened to Dexter Manley's kid? I know he was not coming out as a #1 but I thought he was supposed to be out last yr or this year and he has fallen off the face of the earth. What did he do drop out of school? Get kicked out of school?

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If we do go defense at No. 13, we should actively be trying to posture up for a shot at an OLman high in round two or at the back end of round one.

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Oher
Smith
Monroe
Smith

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[quote=SmootSmack;546374]By the way, the latest report from inside Redskins Park says the Redskins have decided not to pursue any of these OTs at the #13 spot, even if one is available, and instead look later in the draft for some line help.

Could just be posturing though.[/quote]

Ughh :doh:

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I'll put this here.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-EZ6TOWyw]YouTube - LT Andre Smith Highlights Alabama 2008[/url]

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To be honest I have only seen Oher play in the bowl game vs Texas Tech. He didn't look to good. I like the fact that Monroe comes from Virgina which has put recent Offensive Lineman ( D.Fergerson,Brandon Albert) High in the draft. Anyone know how he did against USC? I know it was a blow out for the Boys of Troy. Jason Smith is a converted TE which means he is a good athelete. Did he play in a spread offense, if so that will take him time to adjust to the pro style offense. Then there is Andre Smith a Huge OL that just over powered his opponet in college. I worry about his weight and maturity level. Who is in his circle of trust guiding him during the most important process of his short foootball career. I heard he has fired his agent. Doesn't this remind you of Sean Taylor early in his career ( changing agents, missing rookie sympossium)? We know how good Sean Taylor turned out. I would say Andre Smith will be the best of the bunch. He could also play guard like Leonard Davis and Robert Gallery had to do. I remember Mel Kiper was so high on Robert Gallery. Well will see over the next few years.

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Give me Jason Smith , Andre Smith , Micheal Oher, Eugene Monroe

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[quote=SmootSmack;546374]By the way, the latest report from inside Redskins Park says the Redskins have decided not to pursue any of these OTs at the #13 spot, even if one is available, and instead look later in the draft for some line help.

Could just be posturing though.[/quote]

At #13 I don't see how that's really that bad of a decision. Do you want the 4th best prospect at a position (OT) or the best or 2nd best at another position of need (OLB or DE). Of course if Snyder pulls a moron move to trade up for Sanchez it's all moot but I'm not heartbroken to hear that news.

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[quote=Paintrain;546856]At #13 I don't see how that's really that bad of a decision. Do you want the 4th best prospect at a position (OT) or the best or 2nd best at another position of need (OLB or DE).[/quote]Doesn't it make sense to pick the better prospect of the two?

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Good thread, but moot point for us. None of the top 4 will be there at our pick. Our best bet, trade down and target Beatty (LT potential) or Britton (starting RT).

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;546859]Good thread, but moot point for us. None of the top 4 will be there at our pick. Our best bet, trade down and target Beatty (LT potential) or Britton (starting RT).[/quote]

All we need is a trade partner. I understand Cuba is interested!

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[quote=SmootSmack;546374]By the way, the latest report from inside Redskins Park says the Redskins have decided not to pursue any of these OTs at the #13 spot, even if one is available, and instead look later in the draft for some line help.

Could just be posturing though.[/quote]

Perhaps this is a sign the team has faith in Heyer?

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It doesn't look like oher will fall to us now with the bills needing a tackle not to forget the 9ers need one so do the packers jags raiders bengals seahawks rams

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[quote=Nflnick11;546965]It doesn't look like oher will fall to us now with the bills needing a tackle not to forget the 9ers need one so do the packers jags raiders bengals seahawks rams[/quote]

So it's down to Rey at 13, Sanchez at 3 or 4, or trading back in which case I have no idea who the hell Vinny would take.

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I really hope that we get maualuga but like a few picks later, maybe swaping with denvers 18 or Detroit or new England because we could get any guy I like, like Matthews ENglish maualuga britton mack unger, and maybe with a second rounder we would get Cushing since his stock is falling

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[quote=Nflnick11;546984]I really hope that we get maualuga but like a few picks later, maybe swaping with denvers 18 or Detroit or new England because we could get any guy I like, like Matthews ENglish maualuga britton mack unger, and maybe with a second rounder we would get Cushing since his stock is falling[/quote]

Hey bro this was my hope initially as well...we could get an extra pick too just like you said, but Rey is gone by 16 i guarantee. San Diego would love love love to take this kid and have one more bone crusher who scares the shit out of opposing QBs, RBs and TEs. I think all the mocks w/ Rey falling into the 20s just prove some analysts don't know jack shit. Great MLB prospects don't come along often, and when the best one is also the hardest hitter in the entire draft I mean seriously are we gonna believe 16+ franchises are really gonna say "nope, better value somewhere else." I am thinking w/ the top OTs likely to be gone by 13 now Rey will be the BPA for us...but I also think there will be significant trade interest w/ us because of him so it's gonna present a dilemma. I think if the team like NE is looking to trade into our spot it's undoubtedly for Rey (not a RB like a thought earlier) and we should then take him for ourselves.

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[quote=The Goat;547002]Hey bro this was my hope initially as well...we could get an extra pick too just like you said, but Rey is gone by 16 i guarantee. San Diego would love love love to take this kid and have one more bone crusher who scares the shit out of opposing QBs, RBs and TEs. I think all the mocks w/ Rey falling into the 20s just prove some analysts don't know jack shit. Great MLB prospects don't come along often, and when the best one is also the hardest hitter in the entire draft I mean seriously are we gonna believe 16+ franchises are really gonna say "nope, better value somewhere else." I am thinking w/ the top OTs likely to be gone by 13 now Rey will be the BPA for us...but I also think there will be significant trade interest w/ us because of him so it's gonna present a dilemma. I think if the team like NE is looking to trade into our spot it's undoubtedly for Rey (not a RB like a thought earlier) and we should then take him for ourselves.[/quote]

Yea makes you wonder when in the 2005 draft we picked 9th Carlos Rogers over 12th Shawn Merriman to SD. Maybe cause we still had Lavar Arrington here. We know what happen next. Thats the draft i guess.