Jason Peters on the trade block...
 

It's rumored that Jason Peters is on the trading block. Would you be willing to give one of the premier T's in the league a big contract for our 1st and 3rd? From what I've heard on NFL radio, that's what they're looking to get for him. He's only 27 and is a proven NFL commodity. I'm torn, but it doesnt seem like a terrible idea, IMO.

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I'd rather not, especially if Oher is available at 13. Peters was undrafted just 5 seasons ago, and look at him now. If anything, his current status should continue to reinforce the value of the draft.

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No thanks. If we are gonna trade our 1st and 3rd Id rather go after Peppers. That said we gotta use our picks or hopefully trade down to add more picks.

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If we were one RT away from SB contender status I'd say go for it, but we're not. We need two quality starters out of this draft, not one. Actually we need more than that, but we've only got 2 picks in the top 3 rounds, so 2 starters will have to do!

I'd rather see us get a quality tackle at 13 and then a young LB with some talent in the third round.

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The issue with Peters is that he is a head case.

Maybe you trade for him and he becomes happy and is a really good OT here for the next 6-8 years.

OR - - maybe you trade for him and he goes bonkers and makes such a pain-in-the-ass of himself that you go out and seek to trade him.

If that happens twice, the price you will get the second time around will not be anything near "a first and a third". Here is where due diligence and a good psych analysis is necessary before you consider making a deal for this guy.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;545067]The issue with Peters is that he is a head case.

Maybe you trade for him and he becomes happy and is a really good OT here for the next 6-8 years.

OR - - maybe you trade for him and he goes bonkers and makes such a pain-in-the-ass of himself that you go out and seek to trade him.

If that happens twice, the price you will get the second time around will not be anything near "a first and a third". Here is where due diligence and a good psych analysis is necessary before you consider making a deal for this guy.[/quote]

Agreed. Check out this admittedly unofficial list of sacks allowed by LT's in 2008:
[url=http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7358]How Many Sacks Each LT Gave Up (Because it interests me) - WalterFootball.com Forums[/url]

He's talented, but it appears that when he is unhappy, he just quits.

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[quote=Lotus;545071]Agreed. Check out this admittedly unofficial list of sacks allowed by LT's in 2008:
[URL="http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7358"]How Many Sacks Each LT Gave Up (Because it interests me) - WalterFootball.com Forums[/URL]

He's talented, but it appears that when he is unhappy, he just quits.[/quote]

Wow, that's an interesting list. Look no further than Ryan Clady at #1 to see the value of a strong rookie tackle prospect in the draft. Just say no to Jason Peters.

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No. How many times must we be burned by trading draft picks and giving out big contracts? Plus, as pointed out above, Peters did not play well last year. He was great in 2007, not so much in 2008. He made the Pro Bowl last year on name recognition and previous rep.

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Too much to give up and the guy is a bit of a nut job.

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Way too much! Sick sick sick.....

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Please lets stop going after other teams players who are looking to get paid. We need to put more stock into drafting and developing our own players. Thats why we have scouts and coaches to evaluate and teach. If you look at our roster we have some young players who we have drafted ( Montgomery, Golston,Horton,Landry,Rocky,Cooley,Rogers, Campbell, Blades,Reed D. Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Kareem M.) that are or will contribute this season. If you notice we do not have any Quality offensive Linemen that we have drafted in recent years. I did forget about Rhinehart, but as we know he did not get on the field. We are not even sure he will make the roster for this season. We have a HOF Offensive Line Coach in Joe B. you would think we could find some diamonds in the ruff in the later rounds.

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We don't have the cap space to trade for him even if we wanted to pull the trigger.

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We already have this thread...

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[quote=Mattyk72;545080]Too much to give up and the guy is a bit of a nut job.[/quote]

agreed he is a tough guy to deal with not worth the risk

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I guess I just don't consider a player that goes to the pro bowl and is arguably the best LT in football asking for a new contract as being unreasonable. He's playing on an UDFA TE contract - he deserves more than that. I think all these 'nut job' and 'tough guy to deal with' type comments are a bit far fetched.

I understand not wanting to deal to get him, and hopefully if we take a T high, he'll pan out. For just our 1st round pick, I think I'd do it (assuming we could massage the cap and get him under). A proven commodity with plenty of years left in the league is a good deal to me. Especially if we're thinking about drafting the T out of Alabama who seems like he may be a far larger headache in the NFL.

NFLnick, Im not sure what you mean by 'we already have this thread' I'm not sure what you mean. Im sure this topic is burried in one of the threads on the forum. But that type of forum setup is what drives me away from this site. I can't quickly find discussions on a specefic topic. I have to dig through some broad thread that everyone is talking to themselves about many topics.

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[quote=mrreddman;545063]No thanks. If we are gonna trade our 1st and 3rd Id rather go after Peppers. That said we gotta use our picks or hopefully trade down to add more picks.[/quote]
Totally

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[quote=Daseal;545123]I guess I just don't consider a player that goes to the pro bowl and is arguably the best LT in football asking for a new contract as being unreasonable. He's playing on an UDFA TE contract - he deserves more than that. I think all these 'nut job' and 'tough guy to deal with' type comments are a bit far fetched.

I understand not wanting to deal to get him, and hopefully if we take a T high, he'll pan out. [B]For just our 1st round pick[/B], I think I'd do it (assuming we could massage the cap and get him under). A proven commodity with plenty of years left in the league is a good deal to me. Especially if we're thinking about drafting the T out of Alabama who seems like he may be a far larger headache in the NFL.

NFLnick, Im not sure what you mean by 'we already have this thread' I'm not sure what you mean. Im sure this topic is burried in one of the threads on the forum. But that type of forum setup is what drives me away from this site. I can't quickly find discussions on a specefic topic. I have to dig through some broad thread that everyone is talking to themselves about many topics.[/quote]

Apparently the Bills are seeking a 1 and a 3.

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[quote=Nflnick11;545108]We already have this thread...[/quote]
the majority of your posts seem to be how you don't like there being a thread existing, maybe you should evaluate your own posting or make your own board if you're so adamant about how things are run

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I'd rather use our first on a guy; I don't blame Peters for wanting a new contract but do we wanna trade away likely our only "certain" picks?

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I would not trade for a guy who plays LT when our need is RT, and wants a big deal. No thanks

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[quote]Apparently the Bills are seeking a 1 and a 3.[/quote]
Yep, that's in the original post. Often teams don't get what they're seeking.

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I would give next years 3rd or 4th.

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[quote=Daseal;545163][B]Yep, that's in the original post.[/B] Often teams don't get what they're seeking.[/quote]

Oops, sorry.:bdh:

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No thanks, enough with the trades.

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[quote=Daseal;545123]I guess I just don't consider a player that goes to the pro bowl and is arguably the best LT in football asking for a new contract as being unreasonable. He's playing on an UDFA TE contract - he deserves more than that. I think all these 'nut job' and 'tough guy to deal with' type comments are a bit far fetched.

I understand not wanting to deal to get him, and hopefully if we take a T high, he'll pan out. For just our 1st round pick, I think I'd do it (assuming we could massage the cap and get him under). A proven commodity with plenty of years left in the league is a good deal to me. Especially if we're thinking about drafting the T out of Alabama who seems like he may be a far larger headache in the NFL.

NFLnick, Im not sure what you mean by 'we already have this thread' I'm not sure what you mean. Im sure this topic is burried in one of the threads on the forum. But that type of forum setup is what drives me away from this site. I can't quickly find discussions on a specefic topic. I have to dig through some broad thread that everyone is talking to themselves about many topics.[/quote]


What NFLNick means is this

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/28894-jason-peters.html?highlight=peters[/url]

Did a search for "Peters" took two seconds

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That search thing sure can be a pain.

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Jason Peters sux, rather have a young OL with the 13th pick

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[quote=GMScud;545062]I'd rather not, especially if Oher is available at 13. Peters was undrafted just 5 seasons ago, and look at him now. If anything, his current status should continue to reinforce the value of the draft.[/quote]

Just to be an ass. How can you say in one sentence that he was undrafted, and look at him now. And then in the next sentence say that the draft has value. While i agree with you about the value of the draft, i don't see how his being undrafted and successfull supports that idea.

That being said, absolutely not. Trade two 22 year old starters(1st and 3rd), for a 27 yr old starter making 3 times the money. That's poppy-cock. :)

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Correct me if I'm wrong; OT's are one of the safest picks, it is fairly unusual for a highly regarded tackle to be a total bust. Tony Mandarich is one of the only exceptions I can think of. People have been hard on Robert Gallery, but the fact is he's Oakland's starting RT & probably will be for some time.

Also, rookie OTs can start immediately if they're good. We can get a better player at better cost at #13.

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[quote=freddyg12;545233]Correct me if I'm wrong; OT's are one of the safest picks, it is fairly unusual for a highly regarded tackle to be a total bust. Tony Mandarich is one of the only exceptions I can think of. People have been hard on Robert Gallery, but the fact is he's Oakland's starting RT & probably will be for some time.

Also, rookie OTs can start immediately if they're good. [B]We can get a better player at better cost at #13.[/B][/quote]

Exactly. Even if we accept the "Jason Peters is great" argument, the cost is a key point. You are going to pay him elite LT money then go and play him at RT (and even if you say you'll just move Samuels to RT then you are still paying #60 elite LT money). Get a young guy in, pay him 5/15 and let him roll. Trading high picks for players does not work. It is a losing strategy. The Redskins have proven that.

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Pass. Draft a guy and allow the coaching staff to develop the guy.

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[quote=Monksdown;545212]Just to be an ass. How can you say in one sentence that he was undrafted, and look at him now. And then in the next sentence say that the draft has value. While i agree with you about the value of the draft, i don't see how his being undrafted and successfull supports that idea.

That being said, absolutely not. Trade two 22 year old starters(1st and 3rd), for a 27 yr old starter making 3 times the money. That's poppy-cock. :)[/quote]

Unfortunately that is the Redskins MO.

I don't support trading away any draft picks in any year but I'd certainly rather give up a 1st and 3rd for an OL this year than QB.

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[quote=Monksdown;545212][B]Just to be an ass. How can you say in one sentence that he was undrafted, and look at him now. And then in the next sentence say that the draft has value. While i agree with you about the value of the draft, i don't see how his being undrafted and successfull supports that idea.[/B]

That being said, absolutely not. Trade two 22 year old starters(1st and 3rd), for a 27 yr old starter making 3 times the money. That's poppy-cock. :)[/quote]

If a guy of this caliber slipped all the way out of the draft, it's yet another sign of the value draft picks have. Obviously every team made a mistake passing on him. But the point is, those teams had the opportunity to pick him. Those opportunities vanish if you don't have picks.

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The value of the draft depreciates if every team misses on a stud, because clearly it's a tool not fully understood or utilized.

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[quote=Monksdown;545310]The value of the draft depreciates if every team misses on a stud, because clearly it's a tool not fully understood or utilized.[/quote]

If you keep your entire allotment of draft picks then your chances of hitting any of those picks improves dramatically.

I don't think our FO has that part down yet.

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Many people have already said this, but it just doesn't make sense to trade a 1st and 3rd for a 27 yr old wanting big LT money knowing he would play RT doesn't makes sense, but we all know the Redskins are known to make moves that backfire in their face.

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[quote=Mattyk72;545203]That search thing sure can be a pain.[/quote]

ahh, I didn't remember that topic from then

side note not relating to this particular topic -- why do so many people complain about new threads on something that may have gotten a mention in a 30 page topic that's vague?

I personally like not having all topics clusterscrewed together, makes it easier to follow a single subject and might possibly keep the Campbell should/should not be our QB out of certain topics haha

20some page threads with 11ty players being discussed = mess and doesn't present itself well

kinda the reason newspapers have headlines instead of one huge long paragraph with nothing emphasized

are we encouraged to seek any discussions of it even if it's not clear in the title or is it okay to start a new thread?

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[quote=tryfuhl;545398]ahh, I didn't remember that topic from then

side note not relating to this particular topic -- why do so many people complain about new threads on something that may have gotten a mention in a 30 page topic that's vague?

I personally like not having all topics clusterscrewed together, makes it easier to follow a single subject and might possibly keep the Campbell should/should not be our QB out of certain topics haha

20some page threads with 11ty players being discussed = mess and doesn't present itself well

kinda the reason newspapers have headlines instead of one huge long paragraph with nothing emphasized

are we encouraged to seek any discussions of it even if it's not clear in the title or is it okay to start a new thread?[/quote]

Inevitably topics will be mentioned (to various degrees) in multiple threads. Everything is intertwined ultimately. Still, we try to discourage and control (as best possible) multiple threads on the exact same topic.

One thread on Ways to Improve our OL, another on Andre Smith, and another on Jason Peters that's fine and information will probably overlap there

Two threads on Jason Peters (and when I say "on" I mean the inital intent of the thread) seems a bit unneccessary. Especially when not much new information has happened.

But all that, to me, is secondary that once again Daseal has complained about how the site is run (does anyone else remember when he was "done with this site"?), yet apparently can't or won't just do a simple search.

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[quote=SmootSmack;545406]Inevitably topics will be mentioned (to various degrees) in multiple threads. Everything is intertwined ultimately. Still, we try to discourage and control (as best possible) multiple threads on the exact same topic.

One thread on Ways to Improve our OL, another on Andre Smith, and another on Jason Peters that's fine and information will probably overlap there

Two threads on Jason Peters (and when I say "on" I mean the inital intent of the thread) seems a bit unneccessary. Especially when not much new information has happened.

But all that, to me, is secondary that once again Daseal has complained about how the site is run (does anyone else remember when he was "done with this site"?), yet apparently can't or won't just do a simple search.[/quote]

Got it. I see where you're coming from, granted that thread had been dead for nearly a month, but searching isn't hard.

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As tryfuhl said -- dead for over a month. I don't like digging up old threads on the same player when new information has come available. NFLNick was dead on with what Buffalo was going to do (except he expected them to want a bit less in compensation, but I think they will drop that down some.)

Perhaps I should have done a search and posted at the end of that because it's not different enough. I know I'm not in the boat alone with being sick of topic titles being changed and having to go to page 30-35 to find the results. Over moderating is certainly a problem on that board, in my opinion. And I feel you do a majority of it Smootsmack.

This thread is on me -- yet I stand by my original statement. As far as being done with the site, I rarely read or contribute to the Locker Room section anymore. I'll scan topics, then head to the off-topic forum to see if anything's new.