The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good
 

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"The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good, believing he was the weakest link on a unit that broke down in the second half."

sounds like they are going Oline with the 13th pick. Thats good news.

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JLC said some retarded stuff here IMO. We need to add 2 or 3 LBs? Really? What the hell are we doing switching to a 3-4 defense before the season starts. We need one playmaker at OLB to ensure 1) Taylor play's at his pro-bowl position RDE 2) if there is an injury to one of the starters we have a guy to come in and play like a starter i.e. Blades. JLC is just making stuff up here...

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[quote=The Goat;532439]JLC said some retarded stuff here IMO. We need to add 2 or 3 LBs? Really? What the hell are we doing switching to a 3-4 defense before the season starts. We need one playmaker at OLB to ensure 1) Taylor play's at his pro-bowl position RDE 2) if there is an injury to one of the starters we have a guy to come in and play like a starter i.e. Blades. JLC is just making stuff up here...[/quote]

It was actually jason Reid, Ja La is on break lol.

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[quote=The Goat;532439]JLC said some retarded stuff here IMO. We need to add 2 or 3 LBs? Really? What the hell are we doing switching to a 3-4 defense before the season starts. We need one playmaker at OLB to ensure 1) Taylor play's at his pro-bowl position RDE 2) if there is an injury to one of the starters we have a guy to come in and play like a starter i.e. Blades. JLC is just making stuff up here...[/quote]

Sounds like what I wrote in the other thread.

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[quote=The Goat;532439]JLC said some retarded stuff here IMO. We need to add 2 or 3 LBs? Really? What the hell are we doing switching to a 3-4 defense before the season starts. We need one playmaker at OLB to ensure 1) Taylor play's at his pro-bowl position RDE 2) if there is an injury to one of the starters we have a guy to come in and play like a starter i.e. Blades. JLC is just making stuff up here...[/quote]

Actually that was Jason Reid reporting. I do hope they go offensive line with the #13, preferably a tackle.

With all the b!tching about the defensive acquisitions, I don't know why anyone would suggest that we pick up a defensive player with our first pick (Goat, this has nothing to do with your comment btw).

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[quote=ncskinsfanatic;532440]It was actually jason Reid, Ja La is on break lol.[/quote]

imadork... well it read like a JLC article anyway.

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If they really want get rid of Jansen, then they should cut him and eat his salary cap. Sign Runyan (as much as I hate him, he's a mauler) draft Mack this year and draft another T or 2 in 2010.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532442]Sounds like what I wrote in the other thread.[/quote]

I didn't see anything about the Giants D-line destroying us in this article.

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[quote=Ruhskins;532447]I didn't see anything about the Giants D-line destroying us in this article.[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=Ruhskins;532447]I didn't see anything about the Giants D-line destroying us in this article.[/quote]

Ha, ha, you are funny!! :spank:

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Andre Smith is clearly the best option if he's there at 13. In my opinion he's going to be an elite RT (80) and an above average (75 on Scouts Inc scale) LT. Plus if we can get Smith our X and short situations are going to get a hell of a lot easier with him and Dockery. Plus lets not forget Sellers coming out of the backfield.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;532451]Andre Smith is clearly the best option if he's there at 13. In my opinion he's going to be an elite RT (80) and an above average (75 on Scouts Inc scale) LT.[/quote]

As of now he's a risk, unless he can change his way till draft day.

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Isn't this old news anyway? I think i heard this right after the major coaches/FO meetings (the same time we heard Marcus would not be returning). Jansen will make a very good back-up IMO and wouldn't be surprised to see him compete on the interior, depending on Thomas' status, but regardless he's a goner next year as we'll save about 2.4 mill upon cutting him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532446]If they really want get rid of Jansen, then they should cut him and eat his salary cap. Sign Runyan (as much as I hate him, he's a mauler) draft Mack this year and draft another T or 2 in 2010.[/quote]

Why would you replace Jansen with Runyan?

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[quote=SmootSmack;532454]Why would you replace Jansen with Runyan?[/quote]

So his stench can take out the d-linemen?

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So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.

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Sweet Jesus!

Runyan IS Jansen. Why the hell would we replace an aging and ineffective past top RT with another? That is the silliest thing I have heard.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532452]As of now he's a risk, unless he can change his way till draft day.[/quote]

It's well worth it. Smith is one of those guys thats still good even when he doesn't try. However keep in mind this is where having to radioactively date our aging O-line becomes an advantage.

I have little doubt that the guys will push Smith to be his best, keep in mind a lot of them (especially Thomas and Samuals) seem to have that mentor mindset in that they don't mind taking players under their wings. Hell even Thomas said last year before the draft that we needed to add depth on the O-line, even if it meant drafting his replacement.

In my opinion there are some places were certain positions are destined to succed and O-line is that kind of position for the Redskins. Especailly with Buges as the coach.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532450]Ha, ha, you are funny!! :spank:[/quote]

Sorry man, couldn't help it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;532454]Why would you replace Jansen with Runyan?[/quote]

I rather have Jansen and give him another chance. The only reason I say this is, if Jansen does get cut then I would sign Runyan and give him a 1 year contract and plug the whole for this year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532461]I rather have Jansen and give him another chance. The only reason I say this is, if Jansen does get cut then I would sign Runyan and give him a 1 year contract and plug the whole for this year.[/quote]

Do you think Runyan would come cheap? I doubt it. Plus half of this board would blow up for bringing another aging lineman into the mix.

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[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

U know what's wrong here? Hint: check out my sig :)

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[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

Actually I can't think of more than a few good WRs who did have good first years. It is rlatively accepted that rookie WRs struggle. Now do they struggle like ours did? Not sure...injuries played a huge role in that but name more than 5 who played WELL. Not just average or almost average.

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[quote=SmootSmack;532454]Why would you replace Jansen with Runyan?[/quote]

Jansen doesn't have a commercial with ford.

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[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD

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[quote=70Chip;532457]So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.[/quote]

Steve Smith - 152 yards his rookie year
Wes Welker - 0 Yards his first two years in the league
Vincent Jackson - 52 Yards his Rookie year (1,098 last year)
Santana Moss - 40 yards his rookie year
Donald Driver - 31 Yards Rookie Year
Jerricho Cotchery - 60 Yards Rookie Year
Derrick Mason - 186 Yards Rookie Year
Amani Toomer - 12 Yards Rookie Year
Rod Smith - 152 Yards Rookie Year

Not the most flattering list but it does happen. I actually have Thomas and Kelly (aka Lazy and Peg Leg) as future 700 yard guys with the possibility of maybe 1 or 2 1,000 yard seasons but thats just me.

Plus I think it's worth menitioning that Thomas got screwed out of a big play by Stephon Heyer against Arizona.

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Why don't we restructure Jansens contract, and then cut him...or trade him along with Golston and betts to Detroit for their 2nd round pick

And just watch Andre smith he is better than most of our olineman right now; I don't care if he ran away from the combine or got suspended for dealing with an agent, the guy can play and start immediatly for us and be great for years to come, if he is still at 13 it's a no brainer that we'll draft him...if he's not there then we'll trade down

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[quote=The Goat;532463]U know what's wrong here? Hint: check out my sig :)[/quote]

Nice sig Goat. I don't think there is any doubt the receivers didn't play well last year. But the bottom line is we were 6-2 until the o-line collapsed.

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[quote=Nflnick11;532470]Why don't we restructure Jansens contract, and then cut him...or trade him along with Golston and betts to Detroit for their 2nd round pick

And just watch Andre smith he is better than most of our olineman right now; I don't care if he ran away from the combine or got suspended for dealing with an agent, the guy can play and start immediatly for us and be great for years to come, if he is still at 13 it's a no brainer that we'll draft him...if he's not there then we'll trade down[/quote]

Andre Smith was a Combine flop because, in his words, he was "not in shape."

As a prospective NFL player, it is his job to be in shape! Would you go to a doctor who said he couldn't be bothered to keep up with medical advances? Would you go to a lawyer who said he didn't care about bar certification? Geez, Andre Smith would have been better off showing up at the Combine in a t-shirt which said "BUST" in block letters.

His talent doesn't matter - JUST SAY NO to Andre Smith.

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[quote=Lotus;532472]Andre Smith was a Combine flop because, in his words, he was "not in shape."

As a prospective NFL player, it is his job to be in shape! Would you go to a doctor who said he couldn't be bothered to keep up with medical advances? Would you go to a lawyer who said he didn't care about bar certification? Geez, Andre Smith would have been better off showing up at the Combine in a t-shirt which said "BUST" in block letters.

His talent doesn't matter - JUST SAY NO to Andre Smith.[/quote]

Didn't Thomas and Kelly come into camp out of shape?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532446]If they really want get rid of Jansen, then they should cut him and eat his salary cap. Sign Runyan (as much as I hate him, he's a mauler) draft Mack this year and draft another T or 2 in 2010.[/quote]


Like your ideas, but not sure about eating salary cap $$$ with the recent signings.


PS. Can any of you guys tell me about the neighborhoods near Bolling AFB? I am looking at making the big move to DC from Detroit and looking at potential apartments.

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[quote=WaldSkins;532473]Didn't Thomas and Kelly come into camp out of shape?[/quote]

Thomas was not so out of shape that he couldn't show up at the Combine. Malcolm Kelly had a bum knee as a Combine excuse. Besides, what kind of year did they have?

Andre Smith likely cost himself millions of dollars simply because he couldn't be bothered to hit the gym. Woe to the team which gets that head case.

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[quote=WaldSkins;532473]Didn't Thomas and Kelly come into camp out of shape?[/quote]

Yeah. I think the problem was nobody took them under wing and instilled professionalism... just one of the reason's i'm anti-Hixon. F sakes the dude's got a group of professional vets who make sure they are in tip top shape and yet he can't find a way to tend to his whole flock of two f'ing rookies... don't get me started.

... i think the hope is that w/ A. Smith Buges will put the fear of God in him and Samuels will be his mentor... sort of good cop/bad cop strategy?

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No team in the NFL would start Jon Jansen on opening day in 2009. This is some in depth knowledge JLC! Keep it up!

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[quote=FRPLG;532465]Actually I can't think of more than a few good WRs who did have good first years. It is rlatively accepted that rookie WRs struggle. Now do they struggle like ours did? Not sure...injuries played a huge role in that but name more than 5 who played WELL. Not just average or almost average.[/quote]

Almost average would be a big improvement for Kelly and Thomas.

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[quote=The Goat;532477]Yeah. I think the problem was nobody took them under wing and instilled professionalism... just one of the reason's i'm anti-Hixon. F sakes the dude's got a group of professional vets who make sure they are in tip top shape and yet he can't find a way to tend to his whole flock of two f'ing rookies... don't get me started.

... [B]i think the hope is that w/ A. Smith Buges will put the fear of God in him and Samuels will be his mentor... sort of good cop/bad cop strategy?[/B][/quote]

If it were that easy, the line would not have been so bad last year. NFLers have to be considerably self-motivated and there are a thousand examples where good coaches do not change a head case.

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[quote=70Chip;532479]Almost average would be a big improvement for Kelly and Thomas.[/quote]
True. Also not hurt for 75% of the season would have been too. F*cking rookies have to get the sh*t straight. WHat the hell were they thinking getting hurt? Punks!

Seriously, they sucked. But they were hurt, for whatever reason . I'm not saying they are any good. I am saying we simply don't know and basing anything on last season is way premature.

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[quote=SmootSmack;532468]Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD[/quote]

Six names. You have access to all the power of ESPN and you come up with 6 names. How many people have played the position in the last fifteen years? Hundreds. I stand by my contention that if it looks like a bust, smells like a bust, lives in the training room like a bust, and can't memorize plays like a bust, then it is probably a bust.

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[quote=Lotus;532481]If it were that easy, the line would not have been so bad last year. NFLers have to be considerably self-motivated and there are a thousand examples where good coaches do not change a head case.[/quote]

First of all Buges went through what none of us wish on our worst enemy last year... obviously his group was going to suffer a bit as he missed time and understandably would have lost focus and you know what it's ok. We weren't serious contenders and Buges has given as much of himself to the franchise as anyone there.

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replacing jansen with runyan makes no sense, they are both out of their prime as OL and have a 3 as the first digit in their age! If anything we'd cut him and eat up his cap so we can sign either Oher or Smith from Alabama. Either way...I still think ole Vinny will do something dumb on draft day...but we can always hope for the best.