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[quote=Skinny Tee;529489]I'd like a better source than the one currently provided but the sad thing is that I have to give a blogger from Houston the benefit of doubt because of our spending spree ways of the past.

[B]I would like to believe that if this is true and we do sign Haynesworth at the jump of free agency then that would certainly confirm for me that Snyder has not relinquished his authority over the roster. Snyder's prints on the personnel should be minimal since Vinny got his new title, but this move would not indicate that...[/B]

...that article made me sick when I got to the contract part.[/quote]

Now I know I am quoting myself which is really wierd but the Haynesworth signing, while exciting, seems to confirm that Dan Snyder has more influence on the roster than we've previously believed, at least for me.

I was under the impression that Danny passed the decision making reigns to Vinny when he gave him his new title last offseason. The timeline of the Haynesworth acquistion makes it seem like Snyder is the ring leader in our offseason circus.


This signing confirms, for me, that Snyder's hand is more heavy than just being the tiebreaker in personnel stalemates. If this is a Snyder decision so you still approve of this signing?

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Interesting thread title

But this is how it has always worked, VC and his team lead the evaluation process and then Snyder leads the closing of the deal. It's not like Snyder woke up on Sunday morning and said I'm going to go have dinner with Chad Speck and get AH.

Everything is set up for Snyder by the time it's time to discuss the dollars.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531072]Now I know I am quoting myself which is really wierd but the Haynesworth signing, while exciting, seems to confirm that Dan Snyder has more influence on the roster than we've previously believed, at least for me.

I was under the impression that Danny passed the decision making reigns to Vinny when he gave him his new title last offseason. The timeline of the Haynesworth acquistion makes it seem like Snyder is the ring leader in our offseason circus.


This signing confirms, for me, that Snyder's hand is more heavy than just being the tiebreaker in personnel stalemates. [B]If this is a Snyder decision so you still approve of this signing?[/B][/quote]

First let me say I'm wary of the Haynesworth signing regardless of who's decision it was. I suppose you could label it cautiously optimistic. At least there were 5 or 6 other teams willing to throw close to the same amount of money at him. It's not like it's an Archuleta move (making an average player the highest paid at his position when no one else was offering anywhere close to that kind of money).

Second, aren't all of our FA signings ultimately Snyder decisions? IMO we'd be naive to think otherwise. I just can't wrap my brain around the idea of Napoleon Jr. allowing Vinny and the other personnel folks to pursue an expensive player that he didn't want.

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vinny was hand hired by snyder and forced on the coaches (marty fired him and that was a big todo for danny).

they talk all the time, he owns the team... i mean, he likes playing with things, but i don't think this proves it was only him in control...

haynesworth was the best player on the market, and i'm sure he said he'd get it paid for if the coaches wanted him, but i'm not sure if he'd continue if the coaches said no thanks, or that guy's a total turd.

and i just called myself a turd :/.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531072][b]Now I know I am quoting myself which is really wierd [/b]but the Haynesworth signing, while exciting, seems to confirm that Dan Snyder has more influence on the roster than we've previously believed, at least for me.

I was under the impression that Danny passed the decision making reigns to Vinny when he gave him his new title last offseason. The timeline of the Haynesworth acquistion makes it seem like Snyder is the ring leader in our offseason circus.


This signing confirms, for me, that Snyder's hand is more heavy than just being the tiebreaker in personnel stalemates. If this is a Snyder decision so you still approve of this signing?[/quote]
What's worse, quoting yourself to start a thread or referring to yourself in the third person? Paintrain is confused. :silly:

It's been the way it always has. Danny is the closer. Bring him in to finalize the sales pitch, put the finishing touches on the dollars and show up smiling at the presser.

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I think having everybody doubt Haynesworth is a good thing though. He is going to want to prove everybody wrong and show that he was worth the money (at least I hope anyway).


....oh yeah, and now Haynesworth can stomp on Andre Gurodes face twice a year.

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[quote=Paintrain;531137]What's worse, quoting yourself to start a thread or referring to yourself in the third person? Paintrain is confused. :silly:

It's been the way it always has. Danny is the closer. Bring him in to finalize the sales pitch, put the finishing touches on the dollars and show up smiling at the presser.[/quote]

That almost certainly defies the NFL rulebook. I don't see how they could be that brazen by having their check signer openly meet with a player's representative in a public place.

That means they had contractual talks before free agency began. I hope all this Snyder dining doesn't result in a penalty from the league.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531154]That almost certainly defies the NFL rulebook. I don't see how they could be that brazen by having their check signer openly meet with a player's representative in a public place.

That means they had contractual talks before free agency began. I hope all this Snyder dining doesn't result in a penalty from the league.[/quote]

It shouldn't result in any penalty. For one thing, it happens all the time around the league. Secondly, the rule is more about direct contact with the palyer or an employee of the team (a coach for example). And finally agents and owners/execs get around this like this: The agent does all the talking (that's completely allowed) and the team guy just listens but doesn't make any response until 12:01 am.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531154]That almost certainly defies the NFL rulebook. I don't see how they could be that brazen by having their check signer openly meet with a player's representative in a public place.

That means they had contractual talks before free agency began. I hope all this Snyder dining doesn't result in a penalty from the league.[/quote]

Wait, tampering happens in the NFL? Next thing you're going to say is government officials are corrupt and guys cheat on their wives. Say it ain't so! ;-)

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[quote=Paintrain;531176]Wait, tampering happens in the NFL? Next thing you're going to say is government officials are corrupt and guys cheat on their wives. Say it ain't so! ;-)[/quote]
Soo.....it's true....the sky is now falling?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;531154]That almost certainly defies the NFL rulebook. I don't see how they could be that brazen by having their check signer openly meet with a player's representative in a public place.

That means they had contractual talks before free agency began. I hope all this Snyder dining doesn't result in a penalty from the league.[/quote]

Seriously, are you REALLY a Redskins fan?

We just vaulted our top-4 defense to top-2 (with Steelers since Ravens/Titans will be weakened after this FA) and you have nothing but complaints.

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[quote=Hog1;531204]Soo.....it's true....the sky is now falling?[/quote]

...Well done you got me. I guess I'm too worried about nothing.


I am concerned though about the all out enthusiasm for the Haynesworth signing. It is far too similar to what happens every year we land the motherlode in the offseason and every gets in a craze and we end up hoisting the Offseason Lombardi in March and spectating a meaningless game in February.

I don't want rationality to get lost among the signing frenzy. My heartrate has been pumping today because of all the huge transactions and it feels like gambling.

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[quote=steveo395;531150]
....oh yeah, and now Haynesworth can stomp on Andre Gurodes face twice a year.[/quote]


I'm really excited about this part of the signing!

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Snyder has always been the primary negotiator. Nothing has changed in that regard.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531169]It shouldn't result in any penalty. For one thing, it happens all the time around the league. Secondly, the rule is more about direct contact with the palyer or an employee of the team (a coach for example). And finally agents and owners/execs get around this like this: The agent does all the talking (that's completely allowed) and the team guy just listens but doesn't make any response until 12:01 am.[/quote]

Plus it's impossible to prove they weren't discussing other players that the agent represents who aren't currently under contract or are under contract with said team.

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Just a bit of "extra" knowledge, AH will wear #92. I thought he might still negotiate with C. Wilson for #95. We will see!

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#92 was his number in Tennessee too

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And Reggie White's, who AH admires.

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[quote=steveo395;531150]I think having everybody doubt Haynesworth is a good thing though. He is going to want to prove everybody wrong and show that he was worth the money (at least I hope anyway).


....oh yeah, and now Haynesworth can stomp on Andre Gurodes face twice a year.[/quote]


You know it's funny that was the first incident that put Haynesworth on everyone's radar, so to speak. You know, folks had a negative opinion of him after that incident.

But I must say after listening to him speak in the intereviews following the presser, this guy is well spoken and pretty intelligent. I just hope he comes here and works his butt off.

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All I can say about our offseason thus far is...... [B]HIP HIP... HOORAY......HIP HIP.......HOORAY......HIP HIP.....HOORAY!!!!!!!!! Nice job FO[/B]. I know I've posted this multiple times. But after all the FO bashing that's gone on around here. I thought they deserved some props.

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[quote=44ever;531766]All I can say about our offseason thus far is...... [B]HIP HIP... HOORAY......HIP HIP.......HOORAY......HIP HIP.....HOORAY!!!!!!!!! Nice job FO[/B]. I know I've posted this multiple times. But after all the FO bashing that's gone on around here. I thought they deserved some props.[/quote]

You know what happened after our Hip-Hip Hoorays early this past season. They turned into Boo-Boo Hoos from Portis and our offense when we couldn't move the ball late in the season.

Like Winston Wolf says in Pulp Fiction "Well, let's not start sucking each others D***s quite yet, gentleman". If Haynesworth goes down we still have the same DL we did last year sans Evans and Dockery replaced Kendall on our OL. Nothing is solidified enough to shout praises about.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;532001]You know what happened after our Hip-Hip Hoorays early this past season. They turned into Boo-Boo Hoos from Portis and our offense when we couldn't move the ball late in the season.

Like Winston Wolf says in Pulp Fiction "Well, let's not start sucking each others D***s quite yet, gentleman". [B]If Haynesworth [/B]goes down we still have the same DL we did last year sans Evans and Dockery replaced Kendall on our OL. Nothing is solidified enough to shout praises about.[/quote]

Skinny, your asuming my praise is directed at Haynesworth ( Im assuming):)when it isnt.
It is an acknowledgement of what i think was some nice work from our FO.

The following is a copy and paste of a conversational reponse to GMScud when we had a simular conversation this morning:

Actually, This is the first time I've been happy with FA's moves in year's's's's's. Who knows what it translates to on the field. IMO, that would depend more on the guys we already have to step it up rather than our new aquisitions. I'm not slurping FO but I think they have made some nice moves thus far.

As far as reseving judgement til Sunday afternoons, History has shown its a Sunday to Sunday thing with the Skins regardless of what kind of team we have or have had.

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[quote=44ever;532007]Skinny, your asuming my praise is directed at Haynesworth ( Im assuming):)when it isnt.
It is an acknowledgement of what i think was some nice work from our FO.

The following is a copy and paste of a conversational reponse to GMScud when we had a simular conversation this morning:

Actually, This is the first time I've been happy with FA's moves in year's's's's's. Who knows what it translates to on the field. IMO, that would depend more on the guys we already have to step it up rather than our new aquisitions. I'm not slurping FO but I think they have made some nice moves thus far.

As far as reseving judgement til Sunday afternoons, History has shown its a Sunday to Sunday thing with the Skins regardless of what kind of team we have or have had.[/quote]

Yeah, I'm through with praising the FO in March. I'm now going to yield my FO praises for January and February...provided we're still playing.

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[quote=12thMan;531764]You know it's funny that was the first incident that put Haynesworth on everyone's radar, so to speak. You know, folks had a negative opinion of him after that incident.

But I must say after listening to him speak in the intereviews following the presser, this guy is well spoken and pretty intelligent. I just hope he comes here and works his butt off.[/quote]

Dude I was telling my wife this guy sounds like a nerd..And he's a monster on the field , I told her It was kinda dissapointing , because I envisioned him living in a cave grunting ready to be let out on gameday and a 3 word vocab (he'd sound more scary that way)...lol