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So much for the hometown discount! This is alot of coin for a 7 game tryout CB that had just got cut by the Raiders.

IMO I'm on the fence with this one. Semi glad we have the youth, but wow that's an overpayment IMO.

Thoughts?

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3938727]Source: Washington Redskins make DeAngelo Hall one of the highest-paid CBs in NFL - ESPN[/url]

Updated: February 27, 2009, 12:27 AM ET
[B]Hall returns to Skins with $54M deal[/B]

The Redskins reached an agreement Friday morning to keep cornerback [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5533"]DeAngelo Hall[/URL], and made him one of the highest paid cornerbacks in football an NFL source said.
Hall accepted a six-year $54 million deal that included $22.5 million in guarantees. The payout of the deal includes $30 million over the first three years.
His agents -- Alvin Keels and Joel Segal -- were ready to explore the free agent market, but the Redskins stepped up and made an offer valued at $9 million per year. The Skins had been at $8.5 million earlier in negotiations, but apparent interest from other team forced Washington to up their offer.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;530758]So much for the hometown discount! This is alot of coin for a 7 game tryout CB that had just got cut by the Raiders.

IMO I'm on the fence with this one. Semi glad we have the youth, but wow that's an overpayment IMO.

Thoughts?

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3938727]Source: Washington Redskins make DeAngelo Hall one of the highest-paid CBs in NFL - ESPN[/url]

Updated: February 27, 2009, 12:27 AM ET
[B]Hall returns to Skins with $54M deal[/B]

The Redskins reached an agreement Friday morning to keep cornerback [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5533"]DeAngelo Hall[/URL], and made him one of the highest paid cornerbacks in football an NFL source said.
Hall accepted a six-year $54 million deal that included $22.5 million in guarantees. The payout of the deal includes $30 million over the first three years.
His agents -- Alvin Keels and Joel Segal -- were ready to explore the free agent market, but the Redskins stepped up and made an offer valued at $9 million per year. The Skins had been at $8.5 million earlier in negotiations, but apparent interest from other team forced Washington to up their offer.[/quote]

I get the feeling that it was either paying a lot for Haynesworth or paying a lot for Hall. I rather pay a lot for Hall, he's young, lots of potential, already on the team, and paired with Rogers they make a sick CB tandem.

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Young DB that is pretty good, I don't know if he's 10mill a year good, but he will help keep a good young DB corp in tact!! Now lets go get HAYNESWORTH! And our D will be a TOP 5 Defense again!

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I think I'm glad to have him- definitely appreciate the youth and ability. Hopefully he doesn't end up having any attitude problems, although I don't anticipate that happening. We may have ended up signing him to a bigger deal in order to keep his salary for THIS year lower, thus letting us sign other FAs. I guess we won't really know how much we like this deal until we know how it affects the rest of our FA hunt. All we have now is a rough outline of the deal, so we don't know exactly how much it counts against the cap for this year.

Although those of us who know much more about football than I can make some pretty good guesses...

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Large.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;530770]Young DB that is pretty good, I don't know if he's 10mill a year good, but he will help keep a good young DB corp in tact!! Now lets go get HAYNESWORTH! And our D will be a TOP 5 Defense again![/quote]

We're a top 5 d again w/ an upgrade at SLB and a healthy JT... i just think big Al isn't in the cards.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530768]I get the feeling that it was either paying a lot for Haynesworth or paying a lot for Hall. I rather pay a lot for Hall, he's young, lots of potential, already on the team, [B]and paired with Rogers they make a sick CB tandem[/B].[/quote]

I like the tandem. I would think SS will get his walking papers ASAP.

But he's not worth that kinda coin/elite CB cash, IMO. But I'm not writing the checks clearly. I'll take a wait and see as if there where any other choice.

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his talent doesn't match it. it's about 50% too much money... but hey, that's what we do.

here's my projected breakdown:
[code]
year 1 2 3 4 5 6
SB 3.75 3.75 3.75 3.75 3.75 0.00
salary 2.50 3.25 4.23 5.50 7.14 9.28
[/code]which pays him 32.5mill in the first 3 years (report said 30mill+). and matches my pre-signing thoughts of 6.25mill for 2009 (NOT 4mill as suggested by others :P).

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oh yeah, technically we can still have 14-15mill free, so a 35mill SB 100mill 6 year deal for AH is still possible, though I don't think it'd be super wise, just because we wouldn't have any money left for other issues (if i were tampa, i'd have no problem with the deal, since they have lots of money to fix other things too). our cap situation just kinda sucks for free agency upgrades.

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My thinking is in general everyone is getting overpaid (damn you Tommy Kelly) and it's getting harder and harder to get a good bargain so I'm ok with it.

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[quote=GreekSkin;530793]My thinking is in general everyone is getting overpaid (damn you Tommy Kelly) and it's getting harder and harder to get a good bargain so I'm ok with it.[/quote]

this:Smoker:

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Happy to have him back. The money is what it is...every top player gets overpaid in free agency the past few years.

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NM Redskins I dont know what that means lol... sorry

Can you translate that for me

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[quote=GreekSkin;530800]NM Redskins I dont know what that means lol... sorry

Can you translate that for me[/quote]

I'm with you...is it "this smokes"? LOL.

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Too much loot but he was the best option.

Now:

Front. Seven. O. Line.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;530783]I like the tandem. I would think SS will get his walking papers ASAP.

But he's not worth that kinda coin/elite CB cash, IMO. But I'm not writing the checks clearly. I'll take a wait and see as if there where any other choice.[/quote]

Can't believe we're releasing Smootsmack. Oh well he was only posting like 6 months a year so I guess from that perspective we were paying to much.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;530842]Can't believe we're releasing Smootsmack. Oh well he was only posting like 6 months a year so I guess from that perspective we were paying to much.[/quote]

By cutting Smoosmack we are now 10 million under the cap. Maybe Albert Haynesworth can be a mod for 30 million guaranteed. LOL.

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Without him our secondary would be thin with few better options. Its a big contract but he's a young, gifted player who seems sincere about wanting to be a Redskin seeing as he's from VA and all.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530768]I get the feeling that it was either paying a lot for Haynesworth or paying a lot for Hall. I rather pay a lot for Hall, he's young, lots of potential, already on the team, and paired with Rogers they make a sick CB tandem.[/quote]

Jesus *****ng Christ. Of course you would. For you and 90% of the Internet-fan-boys on this site, the prospect of signing Haynesworth (a game changing tackle) to a big deal is laughable, yet a 54M dollar deal given to a corner back is totally cool.

As far as signing Canty (a pure 3-4 end), you and Matty act as though 'Scouts Inc.' is your one-stop resource for all of your football needs. Wow... Try thinking for yourselves.

And oh yeah, adding 'LOL' to all of your posts is NOT cool. It just makes you sound like a 12 year old girl, which based on your logic, is totally believeable.

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Haha free agency is awesome.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530865]Jesus *****ng Christ. Of course you would. For 90% of the Internet-fan-boys on this site, the prospect of signing Haynesworth (a game changing tackle) to a big deal is laughable, yet a 54M dollar deal given to a corner back is totally cool.
[B]
As far as signing Canty (a pure 3-4 end), you and Matty act as though 'Scouts Inc.' is your one-stop resource for all of your football needs. Wow... Try thinking for yourselves.[/B]

[B]And oh yeah, adding 'LOL' to all of your posts is NOT cool. It just makes you sound like a 12 year old girl, which based on your logic, is totally believeable.[/B][/quote]

I really shouldn't bother because it is way too late, but I'll make an effort to you, ok. I'll try to be serious and avoid writing "LOL", you think that will make you happy? Fine, here we go.

- First, I don't think any reasonable fan is not 100% happy with the money paid for Hall. If you read my post, I was borderline on whether the team should sign Haynesworth because of the initial cost. However, you gotta pick the lesser of two evils, and since you and I don't run the team, right now that lesser evil is the Hall signing. You're entitled to your opinion on the sign, I can only counter you with my opinion.

- Second, I think everyone here gives their own opinion on issues such as player acquisition, however I think just about everyone here try to find facts to back up their opinion. Granted there are people like SmootSmack who obviously have more inside information than your average fan, but me for the most part try to find somewhat reliable information online to back up anything I say.

- You dissed Scouts, Inc, however allow me to enlighten you on what Scouts, Inc is...
[quote]Scouts Inc. breaks down film of every NFL game, numerous college games and individual footage of college prospects, and our experts attend NFL training camps and both NFL and college games in person. Scouts Inc. breaks down film of every NFL game, numerous college games and individual footage of college prospects, and our experts attend NFL training camps and both NFL and college games in person.[/quote]

So unless you're someone that analyzes games, breaks down film, or have some type of intimate knowledge of the NFL, I'm going to trust what Scouts, Inc has to say about a particular player. Now, it's not the end all and be all of information, but I would say it is more accurate than your average fan.

- And by the way, I am thinking for myself when I have an opinion on Canty, however my opinion is based on facts provided by Scouts and other information I have researched on Canty. Just because my opinion is different than yours, doesn't mean that it is not my own.

- Finally, as you can see from some of my earlier posts, I come to this thread because it entertains me and because I'm a Washington Redskins fan. I think there's a certain level of seriousness, but there's also fun. However, I don't appreciate you singling me out and insulting me in all of your posts. Take that crap somewhere else. It's funny that you accuse me of being a 12 year old girl, yet you're the one that's being completely immature. Keep it up and I'm sure a mod will be more than happy to ban you.

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[quote=GreekSkin;530800]NM Redskins I dont know what that means lol... sorry

Can you translate that for me[/quote]

I was agreeing with you and I don't why i put the smoking guy. Doesn't make much sense now that i look at it, lol.

I think it was cause i knew it would push Ruh and Dirty over the edge.

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[quote=NM Redskin;530869]I was agreeing with you and I don't why i put the smoking guy. Doesn't make much sense now that i look at it, lol.

I think it was cause i knew it would push Ruh and Dirty over the edge.[/quote]

I think we were just too hyped up because of free agency.

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[quote=NM Redskin;530869]I was agreeing with you and I don't why i put the smoking guy. Doesn't make much sense now that i look at it, lol.

I think it was cause i knew it would push Ruh and Dirty over the edge.[/quote]

lol makes sense

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I think Hall is ok but way to much money and it keeps us from other needs. Wish Hall tock less to help the team get a DT and maybe a OLB. Unless we can stop the East from running on us Hall dose little to win the divison!

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Keeping Hall and signing Canty & Dockery would be pretty sucessful to me. Apparently, that'swhat Cerrato's trying to do.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530768]I get the feeling that it was either paying a lot for Haynesworth or paying a lot for Hall. I rather pay a lot for Hall, he's young, lots of potential, already on the team, and paired with Rogers they make a sick CB tandem.[/quote]

Looks like we paid alot for both.

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Springs will probably be released very soon, if he wasn't already due to the Haynesworth signing. We go into the season with Hall, Rogers, Smoot, if Hall's play doesn't drop off we should be fine at CB.

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I thought each Hall and AH would sign for about $10 million less. Just goes to show that I know nothing about how contracts work, I always hated math :)

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I don't like the Hall move. Too much guaranteed by far. IF his play proves me wrong I will happily eat my words though.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530865]Jesus *****ng Christ. Of course you would. For you and 90% of the Internet-fan-boys on this site, the prospect of signing Haynesworth (a game changing tackle) to a big deal is laughable, yet a 54M dollar deal given to a corner back is totally cool.

As far as signing Canty (a pure 3-4 end), you and Matty act as though 'Scouts Inc.' is your one-stop resource for all of your football needs. Wow... Try thinking for yourselves.

And oh yeah, adding 'LOL' to all of your posts is NOT cool. It just makes you sound like a 12 year old girl, which based on your logic, is totally believeable.[/quote]

Dude you really need to calm down.

I can think for myself just fine, and seeing Canty play I can tell he will be able to play in a 4-3 just fine. He's certainly big enough to play the run, and he can slide inside on 3rd downs as well. He will definitely fill the role of a Phillip Daniels type of player just fine.

I referred to Scouts Inc. because it's a trusted resource and I prefer to back up my opinions with something rather than just tossing around my knowledge like I'm some sort of expert simply because I watch all of the Redskins games. If you read any of this pre-draft profiles they basically say the same thing as well, that he will fit in a 3-4 or 4-3 no problem based on his size and skill set.

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I'm hoping we can still re-work Springs.

As far as SmootSmack, he's our franchise player, he's not going anywhere!

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i want Springs back, too. this is big time over payment. but he is young, and does make plays

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[quote=Mattyk72;530951]I'm hoping we can still re-work Springs.

As far as SmootSmack, he's our franchise player, he's not going anywhere![/quote]

You franchised me again this year?! Damnit, this is an insult, I want to get paid, blah blah blah.

So do I get the average of the top five moderators around the interwebs?

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[quote=SmootSmack;530958]You franchised me again this year?! Damnit, this is an insult, I want to get paid, blah blah blah.

So do I get the average of the top five moderators around the interwebs?[/quote]

Yep, and that average is 0 point 0. Welcome back! lol

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[quote=Mattyk72;530959]Yep, and that average is 0 point 0. Welcome back! [B]lol[/B][/quote]

Lol, Good Morning:)

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[quote=44ever;530966]Lol, Good Morning:)[/quote]

Good morning to you sir, and good morning to all! Welcome to what should be a crazy day on the Redskins interwebs.

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What; no Ray Lewis? Come on Danny. Spend a little!

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You know I really don't think Hall's deal is that out of line. Not when you compare it to some deals that big name CBs have gotten in recent years.

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[quote=Dblock804;530972]What; no Ray Lewis? Come on Danny. Spend a little![/quote] I think now Vinny and Danny will do is look for some OL help[Dock,Willis or Brown] and get that LB need filled in the draft!