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[quote=Mattyk72;529491][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/chris_samuels_restructures_con.html]Samuels Agrees to Restructured Deal - Redskins Insider[/url][/quote]

Finally, some real news.

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I agree, real news is good and I'm glad Samuels decided to restructure.

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ahh, the yearly restructure cha cha

1-2 re-structure-him
3-4 re-structure-him

We'd win freaking Dancing with the Stars if we could do this dance for it.

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So I asked in the (shhh) A.H. thread, but what do you guys think this means? Are we just clearing more space for draft and a few slightly above average FA's or could this, dare I say it, be the signs of a BIG splash? thoughts anyone.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529505]So I asked in the (shhh) A.H. thread, but what do you guys think this means? Are we just clearing more space for draft and a few slightly above average FA's or could this, dare I say it, be the signs of a BIG splash? thoughts anyone.[/quote]

Given the fact that the Redskins are in cap hell again, I would say that this is a typical move and expected.

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I think the rumours about AH are having the desired effect. Good to hear something concrete. Good for you Chris.

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This is great news, sounds like danny wants to reload this offseason, now Taylor has to restructure his deal (hopefully) cut griffin , cut Jansen, and restructure fletcher, and cut springs, that way we can sign d hall haynesworth and Jason brown !! Yes this could work!!!

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Blah. Lengthening the contract of yet another player over 30 years old. Same old same old. Where we are with Jansen right now (massive decline in talent, too expensive to cut) is where we'll be with Samuels in a few seasons. I know, I know, there may not be a salary cap...

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[quote=Nflnick11;529511]This is great news, sounds like danny wants to reload this offseason, now Taylor has to restructure his deal (hopefully) cut griffin , cut Jansen, and restructure fletcher, and cut springs, that way we can sign d hall haynesworth and Jason brown !! Yes this could work!!![/quote]

Well, Jason Taylor is definitely not taking a pay cut, and cutting Jansen would cost us $2M more than it will to keep him.

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Something is brewing at Redskins park.* Regardless of what happens, I can see all the warpathers' minds melting simultaneously. :argue:

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ill stick up for the skins here. Samuels play has not declined like Jansens. if he wants, looks like he could play another 5 years at a fairly high level. and Ruhskin haven't you learned? the skins are never in cap hell. this is one area the skins have thrived in( cap management)

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I try to look at the positive side & that is that they do keep their guys & reward them, despite some key guys getting away over the years. I know it's as much about freeing up cap space, but it does allow them to keep good players.

Based on what the capologists have said, I think if they restructure w/some moderation this year while cutting some vets, that would be a good compromise and they can get a couple mid level free agents. Like JLC said, I don't see how they can free up space for AH. If Hall signs somewhere else early, I'll start to believe it's possible though.

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[quote=GMScud;529515]Well, Jason Taylor is definitely not taking a pay cut, and cutting Jansen would cost us $2M more than it will to keep him.[/quote]

Then can't we restructure Jansen so he won't hurt us, or possibly include him in a trade with our 1st round pick to the lions for their 2nd first round pick and more picks, plus Jansen is a Michigan guy, he lives there...I just want Jansen gone

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[quote=GMScud;529513]Blah. Lengthening the contract of yet another player over 30 years old. Same old same old. Where we are with Jansen right now (massive decline in talent, too expensive to cut) is where we'll be with Samuels in a few seasons. I know, I know, there may not be a salary cap...[/quote]

I understand what you're saying but you got to pay to play and signing FA's isn't gonna be cheap.

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[quote=dmek25;529520]ill stick up for the skins here. Samuels play has not declined like Jansens. if he wants, looks like he could play another 5 years at a fairly high level. [B]and Ruhskin haven't you learned? the skins are never in cap hell. this is one area the skins have thrived in( cap management)[/B][/quote]

:) LOL. Let me re-phrase this then: The Redskins are temporarily in cap hell and are making appropriate adjustments.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529506]Given the fact that the Redskins are in cap hell again, I would say that this is a typical move and expected.[/quote]

Cap hell doesn't exist.. For about the 8th straight year of explaining this, cash>cap. Remember all of the past 8-10 offseasons when the sky was falling because of our cap situation? Remember when we were going to have to field nothing but rookies and street free agents? Yeah, that doesn't ever happen because Snyder has a money printing machine and can keep paying big $ in cash and backloading phony money.

The biggest issue isn't our cap each year, it's our lack of a plan.

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The Redskins are clearing more cap room by restructuring contracts than I had anticipated. I did not count on them extending players, I expected restructures. But by doing extensions instead, they are clearing more cap room.

This means either:

- They can afford to keep Springs and Jason Taylor at their current cap numbers, and have a modest free agency push.

- They can extend other players (like Griffin, Moss, Rabach and Smoot), keep Taylor and Springs at current cap numbers, and make a major push in free agency.

We'll see.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529519]Something is brewing at Redskins park.* Regardless of what happens, I can see all the warpathers' minds melting simultaneously. :argue:[/quote]

You read my mind. I fear the results.

I can see it now..."Skins trade 1st round pick to reacquire Mark Brunell!!"

This FO is going to give me an ulcer!

HAIL!!

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[quote=Paintrain;529530]Cap hell doesn't exist.. For about the 8th straight year of explaining this, cash>cap. Remember all of the past 8-10 offseasons when the sky was falling because of our cap situation? Remember when we were going to have to field nothing but rookies and street free agents? Yeah, that doesn't ever happen because Snyder has a money printing machine and can keep paying big $ in cash and backloading phony money.

The biggest issue isn't our cap each year, it's our lack of a plan.[/quote]

Ok, here's my understanding:

Cap Hell = Being under the cap (maybe I should have straight out said that the team was under the cap).
Restructuring deals = a quick (not smart) way of getting us under the cap.

Yes, I know we don't plan for the future (etc., etc.) but this is the reality now and that's how they are dealing with it. Besides, the cap will most likely go away and we won't need to deal with this issue.

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The salary cap is the one area I actually trust the Redskins with. There is no cap hell.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529539]Ok, here's my understanding:

Cap Hell = Being under the cap (maybe I should have straight out said that the team was under the cap).
Restructuring deals = a quick (not smart) way of getting us under the cap.

Yes, I know we don't plan for the future (etc., etc.) but this is the reality now and that's how they are dealing with it. Besides, the cap will most likely go away and we won't need to deal with this issue.[/quote]

Well unfortunately if the cap goes away then the NFL will go away for a while because there's no way the owners won't lock the players out in 2011. For as much as some 'hope' for that uncapped scenario, trust me, it'd be the worst thing imaginable as a football fan. Remember the NHL strike that eliminated like a year and a half? Think along those lines.

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[quote=Paintrain;529547]Well unfortunately if the cap goes away then the NFL will go away for a while because there's no way the owners won't lock the players out in 2011. For as much as some 'hope' for that uncapped scenario, trust me, it'd be the worst thing imaginable as a football fan. Remember the NHL strike that eliminated like a year and a half? Think along those lines.[/quote]

Trust me, I've been dreading this cap-less scenario, but a lot of people are saying that this is going to happen. Some people have mention that use of the franchise tag as another sign that the CBA will not be renewed. And honestly, I don't have any confidence in the NFLPA right now, I mean how long does it take to find a replacement for the late Upshaw?

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[quote=steveo395;529543]The salary cap is the one area I actually trust the Redskins with. There is no cap hell.[/quote]

not as long as revenues or new TV deals keep pushing the cap up at the current rate. If the NFL's revenues stop growing... well, then it becomes a problem.

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Being a longtime Redskins Fan has taught me one thing. I should get in the front seats of this roller coaster strap in and hold my hands up when going down hill to really feel the free fall. And at the end of the year get back in line to do it again!!!!!:woot:

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[quote=GMScud;529513]Blah. Lengthening the contract of yet another player over 30 years old. Same old same old. Where we are with Jansen right now (massive decline in talent, too expensive to cut) is where we'll be with Samuels in a few seasons. I know, I know, there may not be a salary cap...[/quote]

if its anything like the contracts of ARE and Carter, Samuels will be very cuttable in 2010 and/or 2011. Not that i want us to cut Samuels, but we could always cut him and resign him to something reasonable then.

Of course, its always possible that we restructure Samuels again next year and give him all his garaunteed money in an uncapped 2010. That way, we have flexibility with what we do after that.

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[quote=steveo395;529543]The salary cap is the one area I actually trust the Redskins with. There is no cap hell.[/quote]

well, atleast in the past few years, weve never been in hell, but we've always been fairly limited in what we can do. However, id much rather be in our position than that of a team like cincy: They always have cap room and never use it.

However, id love to have an owner with a willingness to spend money and stay out of the way, combined with a GM who knew what he was doing. If that were the case, we'd be the "New England" of the NFL year in and year out.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;529564]Being a longtime Redskins Fan has taught me one thing. I should get in the front seats of this roller coaster strap in and hold my hands up when going down hill to really feel the free fall. And at the end of the year get back in line to do it again!!!!!:woot:[/quote]

:laughing- Being a Redskin fan is definitely an up and down ride.

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Having old & unperforming vets who cannot be cut due to cap ramifications could be considered cap hell in that sense?

I hope his restructure is along the Carter/Randle el lines that it lessens the hit next year or '11. I'm no salary cap expert but as long as these restructures ensure that down the line, we can release the player if they are no longer playing at the level of his contract or something like that, then this is the right direction.

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generally our restructures (like almost all restructures) give more guaranteed money upfront to decrease the immediate cap hit and make them cost more to keep/cut the following years. El and carter make them cheaper NOW and result in more deadcap if they get cut then before.

4 restructures and cuts (springs/taylor + daniels/marcus) = possibly hall and haynesworth, but not much else.

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Samuels's Contract in Detail

According to a source who has reviewed Chris Samuels's new deal, it's very much in line with the approach the Skins took on the Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El deal, only the figures are higher.

Samuels's $5 million base salary for 2009 is now down to $2 million, with a $3 million signing bonus (he ends up getting the same $5 million in cash, just $3 million of it now). The deal saves the Skins about $2.5 million.

In 2011 (prior to that season), the Redskins will have an $11.475-million option bonus on him, so essentially this new deal binds Samuels here for two more years. Samuels is coming off a serious injury now, and two years from now he might be more of a right than left tackle. This deal is kinda complicated and there are some other option variables that come into play, but this is the thrust of it.

If the Skins exercise that option then, they would d pick up the 2011-2014 portion of the deal.

The new deal adds two years to his old contract (which was set to expire in 2013, but it
contains voidables - as the old deal did - that kick in after 2012.

Whew. This is the fourth deal the Skins have done with Samuels since 2005. I should have taken a minor in accounting.