NFL Rumor Central: Does Vick have a future in Frisco?
 

You know how people are always asking these days if there's a team that would take a chance on Vick, well now there might be an answer. Kind of surprised though that it's Frisco as there seems to be a segment of the population that's HUGE on animal rights. Of course "liberals" tend to be more forgiving and he'll have the support of his childhood hero, Steve Young, as well as the possibility of being reunited with the coach (Dan Reeves) that drafted him, but either way we'll see.

However I think this blog entry said it best:
[I]"Folks typically overstate the impact of San Francisco's liberal values. But people in the Bay Area DO NOT mess with animals. The 49ers will be booed roundly and frequently by the locals if Vick is acquired. Roundly [I]and[/I]
frequently. (And actually, Raiders fans might boo even more roundly and frequently.)" [/I] [B]
Does Vick have a future in Frisco?[/B]
[B]Michael Vick[/B] | [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl"]Falcons[/URL] | Interested: [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sfo"]49ers[/URL]?

On his [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/23/are-49ers-angling-for-vick/"]NFL.com blog[/URL], Adam Schefter has speculated that the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sfo"]San Francisco 49ers[/URL] may be angling to bring former [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl"]Atlanta Falcons[/URL] quarterback [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2549"]Michael Vick[/URL] into the mix to be the team's new field general, should Vick be reinstated by the league when his prison sentence is over.

Schefter notes that the team will interview Dan Reeves today for its vacant offensive coordinator position, and Reeves was the coach of the Falcons when the team traded for a No. 1 overall draft selection to take Vick in 2001. Two other coaches the 49ers have pursued for the vacant offensive coordinator position - [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=bal"]Baltimore Ravens[/URL] quarterbacks coach Hue Jackson and former Falcons wide receivers coach Mike Johnson - also have ties to Vick.

The team has also signed [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2745"]Jimmy Williams[/URL], Vick's former teammate at Virginia Tech, who lives in Hampton, Virginia near one of Vick's homes.
In 2008, San Francisco's passing attack ranked No. 13 in the league with 3,379 yards through the air. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4260"]Shaun Hill[/URL] and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3745"]J.T. O'Sullivan[/URL] combined for 21 touchdowns and 19 interceptions, and were sacked 55 times. In 2006, Vick threw for 2,474 yards with 20 touchdowns and 13 interceptions and also ran for 1,039 yards and two touchdowns.

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I'm a die hard Hokie fan, and I've watched Michael play a lot and yes he messed up in a big way, however this man is one of the most electricfying athletes I have ever seen. He served his time, and deserves a second chance. Anyone who thinks he does not is a dumbass for thinking that. He is incredible and the Niners would definetly be upgrading with MV

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[quote=tdSKINS1;522841]I'm a die hard Hokie fan, and I've watched Michael play a lot and yes he messed up in a big way, however this man is one of the most electricfying athletes I have ever seen. He served his time, and deserves a second chance. Anyone who thinks he does not is a dumbass for thinking that. He is incredible and the Niners would definetly be upgrading with MV[/quote]

I remember when he first came down here in Atlanta he really was an exciting player. From his first game as a starter against Green Bay where he rolled out left and hit a guy across the other side of the field with a 20 yard pass that ended up with the ball traveling about 50 yards to the NFC playoffs against the Eagles(first time around) where he ran up the middle and got a touchdown while getting decked by two guys only to be called back on a holding penalty.

However once people started out learning how to defend him (ie Tampa) he just ended up being a mediocre quarterback that actually seemed to be holding his team back due to the fact that he couldn't throw the ball well. I think that was the key, when you thought of him as a QB that could also run then you had problems defending him out of fear. However once people started realizing how poor he was at reading defenses they saw a really fast guy that couldn't throw very accurately.

I admit it might be interesting to see him San Fran but the guy doesn't exactly deserve it.

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If Pacman got through all that he did and could still play (even though he wasn't really sentenced in the same), Vick should also get to come back.

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the guy did his time. i think he deserves a second chance. but who ever gives him a shot is in for a P.R. nightmare

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lI think what he did was reprehensible. Fine, he served his time. Does he hold the same values? Don't know. Don't know if he could ever convince me that such a complete disregard for fellow living beings and for the law can ever be changed.

You want to give him a second chance? Whatever, just not on my team and I will wish failure and humilation on any team that takes him.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;522841]I'm a die hard Hokie fan, and I've watched Michael play a lot and yes he messed up in a big way, however this man is one of the most electricfying athletes I have ever seen. He served his time, and deserves a second chance. Anyone who thinks he does not is a dumbass for thinking that. He is incredible and the Niners would definetly be upgrading with MV[/quote]

Anyone that thinks he does not is a Dumbass? Really. You've just insulted at least half or more of the Warpathers with that statement. If you have children go buy them a Vick jersey to wear. Were not talking about getting his job back at McDonalds. Were talking the NFL. I'd rather see the job go to some one that appreciates the rare opportunity to play in this league. I don't care how good he played QB. Guess I'm a dumbass.

Some of his dogs thought he was most electricfying too.

I respect anyones opinion on the subject for or against Vick. Just ask you to extend the same respect

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Dan Reeves himself on NFL radio said "Michael Vick is not an NFL Quarterback." I wouldn't think this happens.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;522841]I'm a die hard Hokie fan, and I've watched Michael play a lot and yes he messed up in a big way, however this man is one of the most electricfying athletes I have ever seen. He served his time, and deserves a second chance. Anyone who thinks he does not is a dumbass for thinking that. He is incredible and the Niners would definetly be upgrading with MV[/quote]


You now what's really funny is eveyones values. Some are stead fast and do not want any one with a marred past. Good for them. They have set high values. Maybe too high maybe not. Others would hire a drug lord. lol.

Vick kills an animal and goes to jail and awaits reinstatement. Pacman has people shot ...with a gun....in order to kill....and he gets reinstated and people are fine with him playing. Whether with their team or someone elses. I think I would rather take back the man who hurt the animal over trying to take another human beings life but those are my values.

In any case if we are going to say Vick is a monster and can't change then we might as well not let any of the other prisoners go either. I mean who wants a pediphile on the streets or a murderer, or a theif, or perhaps a rapist. If we are not going to give people a second chance then we better start building more prisons in everyones back yard to house everyone.

If we as a society are not willing to make sure he gets the counceling and perhaps be a spokesman or speak about what he did wrong in order to help stop this very act from accuring again and humbling him then where do you think he's going to go right back to in order to make money again?

Now I'm the last anyone would want to call a bible thumper but for those of you who hold high morals....

[COLOR=#333333]To open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me” ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/acts-26.htm#18"][COLOR=#0000ff]Acts 26:18[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]

and

[COLOR=#333333]Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you” ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/colossians-3.htm#13"][COLOR=#0000ff]Colossians 3:13[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]
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[COLOR=#333333]again I'm the last who should be called a bible thumper for I hardly go to church at all unless dragged by family but I do believe we as a society should be finding other ways to punish evil besides simply putting people in prison and not teaching them society norms, values and getting them counceling for their actions. I agree there is a % of the population that will not or can not be changed but to simply say "yea he may have learned a lesson but forget about giving him a chance" is obserd. If all busineses looked at Vick this way then how is he going to support himself or his family? I guess we should be saying thats his problem, he should have thought about it ahead of time? [/COLOR]
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[COLOR=#333333]I say reinstate him. Make him give a portion of his money to animal rights organizations, and force him to do commercials to humble him. Keep him on a tight leash as they did Pacman and Vicks own actions will speak louder then words. If he volunteered his services to an animal rights organization then perhaps some would change their way of thinking about him. [/COLOR]

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vick has raider all over him (so does plaxico)

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[quote=SBXVII;522890]You now what's really funny is eveyones values. Some are stead fast and do not want any one with a marred past. Good for them. They have set high values. Maybe too high maybe not. Others would hire a drug lord. lol.

Vick kills an animal and goes to jail and awaits reinstatement. Pacman has people shot ...with a gun....in order to kill....and he gets reinstated and people are fine with him playing. Whether with their team or someone elses. I think I would rather take back the man who hurt the animal over trying to take another human beings life but those are my values.

In any case if we are going to say Vick is a monster and can't change then we might as well not let any of the other prisoners go either. I mean who wants a pediphile on the streets or a murderer, or a theif, or perhaps a rapist. If we are not going to give people a second chance then we better start building more prisons in everyones back yard to house everyone.

If we as a society are not willing to make sure he gets the counceling and perhaps be a spokesman or speak about what he did wrong in order to help stop this very act from accuring again and humbling him then where do you think he's going to go right back to in order to make money again?

Now I'm the last anyone would want to call a bible thumper but for those of you who hold high morals....

[COLOR=#333333]To open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me” ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/acts-26.htm#18"][COLOR=#0000ff]Acts 26:18[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]

and

[COLOR=#333333]Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you” ([/COLOR][URL="http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/colossians-3.htm#13"][COLOR=#0000ff]Colossians 3:13[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#333333]).[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]again I'm the last who should be called a bible thumper for I hardly go to church at all unless dragged by family but I do believe we as a society should be finding other ways to punish evil besides simply putting people in prison and not teaching them society norms, values and getting them counceling for their actions. I agree there is a % of the population that will not or can not be changed but to simply say "yea he may have learned a lesson but forget about giving him a chance" is obserd. If all busineses looked at Vick this way then how is he going to support himself or his family? I guess we should be saying thats his problem, he should have thought about it ahead of time? [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]I say reinstate him. Make him give a portion of his money to animal rights organizations, and force him to do commercials to humble him. Keep him on a tight leash as they did Pacman and Vicks own actions will speak louder then words. If he volunteered his services to an animal rights organization then perhaps some would change their way of thinking about him. [/COLOR][/quote]

Wow that's quite a post SBXVII. Personally I don't think Vick should have went to prison in the first place. But now that he has, if he were to be reinstated he should have the same rights as every other player in the NFL. Otherwise he served his sentance in vain. To force him to give a portion of his money or to make commercials is still treating him like a felon and to admit that he is different and outside of the "NFL Standard" He payed for his crime.

As far as Pac Man or OJ Simpson or any felon I feel the same way. They have the right to make a living. Just not in the NFL. IMO

Nothing wrong with being called a Bible thumper Brother
John 3:16

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^ true and if they can go into there and change their ways and be good citizens then good for them.

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[quote=SBXVII;522895]^ true and if they can go into there and change their ways and be good citizens then good for them.[/quote]

Fair enough.

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44, I'm not sure what else Vick went to school for? Hopefully he did not go for basketweaving to simply be able to play ball but if he did then society is saying we are not going to allow you to utilize the only talent you have. and this happens to many "felons" when they have to fill out an aplication that asks if they were ever convicted of a felony. It used to be felons could go to construction work or some type of manual labor after being convicted and still make ends meet but even now I'm seeing more of them not getting hired simply due to that marr on their record.

The NFL is not the Gov. or church body. It's not the Pope mobile and should kick off anyone who has committed a sin. It's a sport. A game. Entertainment. No different then watching Lost or your lady friend/wife/girlfriend watching a soap opera, or watching a symphany play. Simple entertainment. I do agree they are role models but we as parents should be teaching our kids who they should look up to not blindly allowing our kids to pick truely sick individuals. I really don't want my child to think the only way to get into the media is to kill animals or shoot people. I don't want him to think the only way to make big money is to play football. I'd like to think he has picked a player due to his talent and Characteristics. Should that player let him down as Vick has done alot of our youth I would hope my kids would pick another person but still respect what talent Vick had or has.

Now if his only talent was to breed dogs then I would have issues with him going back to breeding dogs. Football has nothing to do with his side venture of breeding and fighting dogs. No different then Michael Jorden and his betting. He was still a great player and probably could still run circles around some in the league. What if Vick decided to hang up his cleats but wanted to get into coaching? What if he said he would like to start at the bottom and learn how to coach.

As for having to give money to charity.....yes he has paid his crime but what if the NFL commissioner said I'll reinstate you if you give a portion to charity and do infomertials. At this point he's given an option. Give and play or don't and don't play. but by doing so it allows Vick to come back and it makes the NFL look good as being animal friendly and also punishing Vick and forcing him to humble himself. The only concern the Commish will have is how will this make the NFL look. Can he bring back a huge talent and still make the NFL look good? If not then I bet the Commish says no way for reinstatement.

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I for one, want to see vick back in the league. I know he had his problems, but hey its not like he killed a human being. Now i dont like that he helped in the dog fighting bussiness, i love dogs! but funny thing about all this is it got more publicity than as if he killed someone. So im willing to give him another chance, i wish him the best of luck and i hope he can become a better Qb.

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Do I think Vick should come to our team. No. If Zorn felt he needed him to get his scheme across then so be it but I always viewed Vick as a one man show. If you could stop him you stopped the team. He was not the pocket passer everyone wanted him to be. Yes he would be an upgrade to our situation but if we are looking for a team player and pocket passer then Vick is not it. I give the Falcons as an example. With Vick they did good, they did fairly well. Look what happened to the team after he got locked up. They all worked together as a team and supported the new rookie QB and they went to the playoffs.

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SBXVII. Respected, maybe I hold the NFL to a higher standard than I should. Maybe it has to do with the way I viewed the NFL as a child growing up. And now having children of my own. Maybe I feel the NFL represents one of the last true American standard for moral sports entertainent. I may also be viewing it with bias as I watch corruption infiltradtw our society and standards being lowered and excepted. But in a sport were there are fines for celebrating in the endzone after making a touchdown because it taunts and disrespects. Where do we draw the line?

Dexter Manley was banned from ever returning to the NFL because of drug use on himself. I could argue I'd rather have a guy with a drug problem play than a animal killer.

There needs to be standards thats all im saying. Vick went to college I didn't. I'm doing ok living paycheck to paycheck. Raising 4 kids in an apartment. I used to make over 100k a year before a brain injury. Things happen. Society ows us nothing. You can still work construction as a past felon. He'll be fine. If he chooses too. He probably will get back in the NFL anyway. If he does, good for him.

I just don't think those of us that dont want him should be called dumbass. Post#2. Other than that I respect his opinion

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Before anyone gets all bent out of shape about Vick possibly coming back think about this... There is a player in the NFL (Little) that killed another human being, was found guilty of this crime, and was allowed to play (and is still playing). Pacman Jones' actions may have led to someone end up paralyzed for the rest of their life. Heck, even Ray Lewis was involved (and got acquitted) in a shooting that I believed ended up with someone dead. I'm not justifying what Vick did, he deserved to go to jail, have his career ruined, and lose all his money. Now if he wants to return to the NFL, and the league lets him, so be it.

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[quote=44ever;522909]SBXVII. Respected, maybe I hold the NFL to a higher standard than I should. Maybe it has to do with the way I viewed the NFL as a child growing up. And now having children of my own. Maybe I feel the NFL represents one of the last true American standard for moral sports entertainent. I may also be viewing it with bias as I watch corruption infiltradtw our society and standards being lowered and excepted. But in a sport were there are fines for celebrating in the endzone after making a touchdown because it taunts and disrespects. Where do we draw the line?

Dexter Manley was banned from ever returning to the NFL because of drug use on himself. I could argue I'd rather have a guy with a drug problem play than a animal killer.

There needs to be standards thats all im saying. Vick went to college I didn't. I'm doing ok living paycheck to paycheck. Raising 4 kids in an apartment. I used to make over 100k a year before a brain injury. Things happen. Society ows us nothing. You can still work construction as a past felon. He'll be fine. If he chooses too. He probably will get back in the NFL anyway. If he does, good for him.

I just don't think those of us that dont want him should be called dumbass. Post#2. Other than that I respect his opinion[/quote]

Agreed. Which is why I said everyones values are different. Cause I don't think everyone who thinks he needs to be banned is a dumbass either or should be called that. But I do believe when it comes to sports/Entertainment we need to lighten up a little. If we were talking federal gov. I would agree whole heartedly he needs to be banned but from a sport perspective....it's only a sport. nothing more.

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I haven't insulted anyone, I never said that what he did was not awful and that he didn't deserve his time. But its okay for Pac Man to have a human being shot at to play ?? And this is with Pac Man getting chance after chance. I'm a huge Vick fan as an athlete who I think is a great addition to any team. He did his time, he deserves atleast an opportunity to play and show that he still can play. Even if it isn't at QB, who cares he still can play. I stand by what I said before and he should and will play again for whoever wants him.

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I'm sorry for saying that people are dumbasses however I think people should put there self in that position and wonder if they thought they deserved a second chance. I bet that you'd say YES i want a second chance. The NFL has made it clear that people who **** up are still most likely going to get second chances. Even if they are arrested for being an asshole on a regular basis ex. Pac Man, Tank Johnson, Chris Henry and so on then he should get a second chance. Sorry 44 for "insulting" you

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In the modern NFL, I predict he gets back into the league and has 3 options:

-start playing, stay clean, be a super star or at least what he was, and get some respect.
-start playing, stay clean, suck, and he will be forgotten.
-have another run-in with the law, and be hated

At this point I don't know what will be the best for him

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[quote=Ruhskins;522911]Before anyone gets all bent out of shape about Vick possibly coming back think about this... There is a player in the NFL (Little) that killed another human being, was found guilty of this crime, and was allowed to play (and is still playing). Pacman Jones' actions may have led to someone end up paralyzed for the rest of their life. Heck, even Ray Lewis was involved (and got acquitted) in a shooting that I believed ended up with someone dead. I'm not justifying what Vick did, he deserved to go to jail, have his career ruined, and lose all his money. Now if he wants to return to the NFL, and the league lets him, so be it.[/quote]

Great points. I don't think Vick should be banned forever. I also don't think he should be free from judgement and criticism just becuase he "paid his debt to society," but people have done worse and still played in the NFL.

He's already (deservedly so) had his life shit on - both financially and personally. If he's fortuante enough to be given another chance to earn a living at his profession, then good for him. The legal system will have worked - prosecuted, jailed, rehabilitated, and released back into the public to return to working for a living. I still think the guy is a d-bag, but just because most of us don't like him doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a second chance.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;522917]I'm sorry for saying that people are dumbasses however I think people should put there self in that position and wonder if they thought they deserved a second chance. I bet that you'd say YES i want a second chance. The NFL has made it clear that people who **** up are still most likely going to get second chances. Even if they are arrested for being an asshole on a regular basis ex. Pac Man, Tank Johnson, Chris Henry and so on then he should get a second chance. Sorry 44 for "insulting" you[/quote]

no hard feelings brother the meds are kicking in now:)

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I can't see any NFL team putting up with the backlash from PETA that will surely come if they sign him. Is signing Vick really worth the picketing and constant negative attention it will cause. I think teams will decide he's not worth it.

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[quote=SBXVII;522900]44, I'm not sure what else Vick went to school for? Hopefully he did not go for basketweaving to simply be able to play ball but if he did then society is saying we are not going to allow you to utilize the only talent you have. and this happens to many "felons" when they have to fill out an aplication that asks if they were ever convicted of a felony. It used to be felons could go to construction work or some type of manual labor after being convicted and still make ends meet but even now I'm seeing more of them not getting hired simply due to that marr on their record.
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Bit of a side comment, but I own a small painting company and I can't hire anyone with felonies in the past ten years. If I do, my insurances (liability and workers comp) rise. So if I hired a felon then I'd have to pay everyone less because a higher percentage of salaries are going to pay insurance. You are either concerned about people stealing tools, equipment and customers property or injuring customers. I know that "he paid his time" and should be returned to society, but that's not the way most of society works. There are very few industries (entertainment being the obvious exception) where any recent criminal record doesn't hurt your employment. Even if you are hiring him to clean port a johns you don't want to see him on the news being pulled out of your company truck at his next arrest.

That being said, I just don't think he is a very good quarterback and it might have been the best thing to happen to the Falcons that he was sent to jail. However, if he can catch the ball, imagine him returning punts and kickoffs? You know, somewhere else.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;522841]I'm a die hard Hokie fan, and I've watched Michael play a lot and yes he messed up in a big way, however this man is one of the most electricfying athletes I have ever seen. He served his time, and deserves a second chance. Anyone who thinks he does not is a dumbass for thinking that. He is incredible and the Niners would definetly be upgrading with MV[/quote]

Count me as one of the "dumb asses". He not only lied to the courts but also the Commissioner of the NFL, not once but twice.
Maybe he should get a second chance but not anytime soon. The only time he has served has been by the Feds. He's yet to serve any kind of punishment that is due him by the NFL and serving time in a Federal penitentiary doesn't count as punishment time served in the NFL.
Vick should still serve at least a 1 year suspension from the NFL for his crimes and lying to the NFL Commissioner and if not, then all this talk about cracking down on the thuggery in the NFL is all that...nothing but talk.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;522951]Count me as one of the "dumb asses". He not only lied to the courts but also the Commissioner of the NFL, not once but twice.
Maybe he should get a second chance but not anytime soon. The only time he has served has been by the Feds. He's yet to serve any kind of punishment that is due him by the NFL and serving time in a Federal penitentiary doesn't count as punishment time served in the NFL.
Vick should still serve at least a 1 year suspension from the NFL for his crimes and lying to the NFL Commissioner and if not, then all this talk about cracking down on the thuggery in the NFL is all that...nothing but talk.[/quote]

My only question is where was your outrage when Leonard Little killed that woman, served 90 days in jail, and was allowed to play again? Do you even know that the NFL allowed a guy who killed a human being while driving drunk to play again?

Once again, I don't justify Vick, nor do I think he's a good person whatsoever. I'm just sick and tired of people acting like this is the worst thing an NFL player has done (even though his career was ruined and went to jail for a year). Oh and in case someone starts accusing me of being insensitive, I'm a dog owner.

Please people, there are rapist, child molesters, murderers, that b/c they have money are able to get away with their crime, continue with their lives as if nothing happened. Ok, maybe Goodell should ban Vick for another year. But then again, he gave Pacman Jones a chance, so if Jones got a chance, then Vick should.

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[quote=Ruhskins;522911]Before anyone gets all bent out of shape about Vick possibly coming back think about this... There is a player in the NFL (Little) that killed another human being, was found guilty of this crime, and was allowed to play (and is still playing). Pacman Jones' actions may have led to someone end up paralyzed for the rest of their life. Heck, even Ray Lewis was involved (and got acquitted) in a shooting that I believed ended up with someone dead. I'm not justifying what Vick did, he deserved to go to jail, have his career ruined, and lose all his money. Now if he wants to return to the NFL, and the league lets him, so be it.[/quote]

The part the pisses me off most about Little is the arrest six years after he got drunk and killed someone for DUI and was acquitted.
As for Lewis, his friend stabbed a guy in a melee that Lewis was near. Not nearly the same as routinely gaining pleasure from abusing and killing animals, habitually driving drunk and killing someone, trying to hire someone to execute a man (and the other numerous crimes PacMan does almost daily).

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[quote=rypper11;522959]The part the pisses me off most about Little is the arrest six years after he got drunk and killed someone for DUI and was acquitted.
As for Lewis, his friend stabbed a guy in a melee that Lewis was near. Not nearly the same as routinely gaining pleasure from abusing and killing animals, habitually driving drunk and killing someone, trying to hire someone to execute a man (and the other numerous crimes PacMan does almost daily).[/quote]

Thanks for correcting me on Lewis, I really didn't know the details of his situation. The funny thing is that all of these points we're making are based on a rumor that may or may not happen. Even if Vick gets to play in the CFL, his crime is going to follow him around. Too bad people like Little will not get harassed for killing someone.

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He deserves a second chance he paid his debt to society, its up to the commish to see what happens. If you think he shouldn't be in the league then you obviously have not looked at other athletes who have done just as bad of things as Michael has done and has been let back in the league. Like I said before if you made a mistake wouldn't you want a second opportunity to prove yourself as a better individual. You would! And thats my point

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Not to minimize Vick's crime, but I generally agree with the following Chris Rock quote from election season:

"The crowd went crazy with applause when they showed a big picture of Sarah Palin next to the Moose she just killed, and Mike Vick is saying to himself, 'why am I in jail?'" -Chris Rock

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[quote=Ruhskins;522956]My only question is where was your outrage when Leonard Little killed that woman, served 90 days in jail, and was allowed to play again? Do you even know that the NFL allowed a guy who killed a human being while driving drunk to play again?

Once again, I don't justify Vick, nor do I think he's a good person whatsoever. I'm just sick and tired of people acting like this is the worst thing an NFL player has done (even though his career was ruined and went to jail for a year). Oh and in case someone starts accusing me of being insensitive, I'm a dog owner.

Please people, there are rapist, child molesters, murderers, that b/c they have money are able to get away with their crime, continue with their lives as if nothing happened. Ok, maybe Goodell should ban Vick for another year. But then again, he gave Pacman Jones a chance, so if Jones got a chance, then Vick should.[/quote]
Sorry but I didn't and still don't know anything about Leonard Little and if I had known, I would have felt that he should be banned for life. I felt the same about Lewis, another thug who got away with murder.
I've been very disappointed in the NFL the past 10 years or so due to the lax atmosphere about letting thugs get away with murder and turning what was once a true sport, into an entertainment business. It's starting to look like the World Wrestling Federation these days, with all of the dancing and individual entertainment by Players who make it all about themselves and the fans fall for it, hook, line and sinker.
I'm not against Vick ever playing again but he still needs to serve his punishment by the NFL. He was one hell of an athlete but not much of a QB. I hope this has made him a better person because it's not going to matter what he does on the football field, it's what he does with his life that matters.

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I think all points are valid. And respected. I didn't know about some of the others like lenard lewis either. And I'm glad PAC is gone. Maybe I'm being to hard on Vick. I'll have to consider it a little longer. I just don't want the NFL to become a sport of no integrity or consequences.

As far ad Sarah Palin standing next to the moose she killed. He(Chris Rock) was making his usual ignorant racist (joke) point. Shooting a moose is not against the law. Drowning, electricuting, and hanging dogs to death is. And takes a twisted person to commit such an act. I may be wrong.

Side note: I didn't vote for Palin

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;522966]Sorry but I didn't and still don't know anything about Leonard Little and if I had known, I would have felt that he should be banned for life. I[B] felt the same about Lewis, another thug who got away with murder.[/B]
I've been very disappointed in the NFL the past 10 years or so due to the lax atmosphere about letting thugs get away with murder and turning what was once a true sport, into an entertainment business. It's starting to look like the World Wrestling Federation these days, with all of the dancing and individual entertainment by Players who make it all about themselves and the fans fall for it, hook, line and sinker.
I'm not against Vick ever playing again but he still needs to serve his punishment by the NFL. He was one hell of an athlete but not much of a QB. I hope this has made him a better person because it's not going to matter what he does on the football field, it's what he does with his life that matters.[/quote]

The evidence showed that Lewis was not the guy stabbing anyone and he was found not guilty of murder cause of a total lack of evidence. It was his two thug friends. Lewis just obstructed justice by lying about what he saw. BIG DIFFERENCE. Leiws was just really stupid and used horrible judgement about who he ran with.

IMO Leonard Little should not be playing in the NFL. He killed someone drinking and driving and then after he killed an innocent women he did it again. Should have a lifetime ban.

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If Vick is let back in the NFL then SF should look at all the options cause their QB situation is really bad. Hill is not a 16 game starter and Smith is a total 100% bust. But Vick hasn't even thrown a ball in a few years, hasn't studied any film or seen live action. It's going to take some time for him to get his skills back.

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[quote=skinsfan69;523000]If Vick is let back in the NFL then SF should look at all the options cause their QB situation is really bad. Hill is not a 16 game starter and Smith is a total 100% bust. But Vick hasn't even thrown a ball in a few years, hasn't studied any film or seen live action. It's going to take some time for him to get his skills back.[/quote]

the SF situation just highlights there are some really shitty QBs in the league and Vick brings serious talent to the table so you have to believe FOs will look at him. He'd make a great replacement for T-jack in Minnesota. Altogether he'd probably be an instant upgrade at the position for 5-10 teams out there.

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[quote=rypper11;522950]Bit of a side comment, but I own a small painting company and I can't hire anyone with felonies in the past ten years. If I do, my insurances (liability and workers comp) rise. So if I hired a felon then I'd have to pay everyone less because a higher percentage of salaries are going to pay insurance. You are either concerned about people stealing tools, equipment and customers property or injuring customers. I know that "he paid his time" and should be returned to society, but that's not the way most of society works. There are very few industries (entertainment being the obvious exception) where any recent criminal record doesn't hurt your employment. Even if you are hiring him to clean port a johns you don't want to see him on the news being pulled out of your company truck at his next arrest.

That being said, I just don't think he is a very good quarterback and it might have been the best thing to happen to the Falcons that he was sent to jail. However, if he can catch the ball, imagine him returning punts and kickoffs? You know, somewhere else.[/quote]
I sell Insurance and have never seen that question aboout felons on any applications but I'm in Va so Nc could be different.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;522964]Not to minimize Vick's crime, but I generally agree with the following Chris Rock quote from election season:

"The crowd went crazy with applause when they showed a big picture of Sarah Palin next to the Moose she just killed, and Mike Vick is saying to himself, 'why am I in jail?'" -Chris Rock[/quote]

I think Chris Rock was truly joking. Although I'm sure the same people that demonize Vick were probably not happy about Palin either.

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[quote=skinsfan69;522998]The evidence showed that Lewis was not the guy stabbing anyone and he was found not guilty of murder cause of a total lack of evidence. It was his two thug friends. Lewis just obstructed justice by lying about what he saw. BIG DIFFERENCE. Leiws was just really stupid and used horrible judgement about who he ran with.

[B]IMO Leonard Little should not be playing in the NFL. He killed someone drinking and driving and then after he killed an innocent women he did it again. Should have a lifetime ban.[/B][/quote]

Agreed. I'm pretty sure if Little had pulled that shit on Goodell's watch he'd be done for good in football. Tagliabue was pretty soft on discipline.

The fact that he killed someone while drunk driving is awful. The fact that he would drink and drive AFTER that happened is just totally despicable.