Zorn Update
 

Breif Discussion on Redskins.com. Zorn speeks of current needs and wants including our O line. Also spoke on Portis. To be aired Friday.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Zorn_Updates_Redskins__Roster_Meetings_31076.jsp]Zorn Updates Redskins' Roster Meetings[/url]
Is Zorn seeing the same thing we are?

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Your link goes to nothing

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[quote=WaldSkins;520656]Your link goes to nothing[/quote]

Maybe Vinny or Danny took it off. LOL. :)

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Link is working now. Sorry bout that.

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I'd like to hear more emphasis on the offensive and defensive lines from the team.

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“[B]We have a solid offensive line, but we’re always looking to build[/B],” he said. “Guys do get injured, so when you have to put a new guy in, you would love to have him come in and have it be seamless.”

Jim Zorn

That is not what I had in mind, dude, not at all. I wonder whether this is an indicator the FO has already decided it won't replace anyone on the o-line this offseason. To me it sounds that way but maybe i'm being pessimistic. Anyway, if we literally have the exact same personnel in the trenches I'm gonna 1) vow to not visit this board through the season as to not lose my posting privilege by cussing out the ownership every 90 seconds 2) come to the harsh realization we'll be mediocre again and really, really accept it this time... maybe just watch the games and look for little things like "Did Campbell take more 3 step drops than last year" or "Can I tell how late Smoot partied last night based on that last play?"

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[quote=The Goat;520695]“[B]We have a solid offensive line, but we’re always looking to build[/B],” he said. “Guys do get injured, so when you have to put a new guy in, you would love to have him come in and have it be seamless.”

Jim Zorn

That is not what I had in mind, dude, not at all. I wonder whether this is an indicator the FO has already decided it won't replace anyone on the o-line this offseason. To me it sounds that way but maybe i'm being pessimistic. Anyway, if we literally have the exact same personnel in the trenches I'm gonna 1) vow to not visit this board through the season as to not lose my posting privilege by cussing out the ownership every 90 seconds 2) come to the harsh realization we'll be mediocre again and really, really accept it this time... maybe just watch the games and look for little things like "Did Campbell take more 3 step drops than last year" or "Can I tell how late Smoot partied last night based on that last play?"[/quote]

Yeah I hear you. Actually I have a confession to make. I Dirtbag have been flirting with the idea of becoming a Ravens fan. Fans talk all the time about sticking it to management and boycotting the team until something is done about the circus that is the Washington Redskins but they never have the heart to. I remember back in 2001 or 2002 when the Skins were like 0-5 1-5 under Marty how I started watching Ravens games the first one being the first match between the Titans and the Ravens. From that point on as more Ravens games started making their way to Atlanta I found myself becoming a fan to the point where I was rooting for the team in the Super Bowl with the same entuhsiasm that I rooted for the Skins.

Yeah call me what you will but only a fool would stay put in such an abusive relationship that is loyalty to these Washington Redskins. Now I'm not defecting yet but I have to say if nothing is done about the lines, and at the same time we get Vinny peddling his holy draft board then it's going to be very tempting to stand up and leave. Lifes to short to wait for Dan Snyder to learn how to run a team.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520698]Yeah I hear you. Actually I have a confession to make. I Dirtbag have been flirting with the idea of becoming a Ravens fan. Fans talk all the time about sticking it to management and boycotting the team until something is done about the circus that is the Washington Redskins but they never have the heart to. I remember back in 2001 or 2002 when the Skins were like 0-5 1-5 under Marty how I started watching Ravens games the first one being the first match between the Titans and the Ravens. From that point on as more Ravens games started making their way to Atlanta I found myself becoming a fan to the point where I was rooting for the team in the Super Bowl with the same entuhsiasm that I rooted for the Skins.

Yeah call me what you will but only a fool would stay put in such an abusive relationship that is loyalty to these Washington Redskins. Now I'm not defecting yet but I have to say if nothing is done about the lines, and at the same time we get Vinny peddling his holy draft board then it's going to be very tempting to stand up and leave. Lifes to short to wait for Dan Snyder to learn how to run a team.[/quote]

Wow. Just wow. For me the last straw would have to come in not addressing the lines [I]and[/I] drafting/signing another WR. For instance some are already suggesting Moss will be shown the door. If we used the pick and cap space to just bring in a high-priced WR w/o upgrading the line...
:vomit:

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520698]Yeah I hear you. Actually I have a confession to make. I Dirtbag have been flirting with the idea of becoming a Ravens fan. Fans talk all the time about sticking it to management and boycotting the team until something is done about the circus that is the Washington Redskins but they never have the heart to. I remember back in 2001 or 2002 when the Skins were like 0-5 1-5 under Marty how I started watching Ravens games the first one being the first match between the Titans and the Ravens. From that point on as more Ravens games started making their way to Atlanta I found myself becoming a fan to the point where I was rooting for the team in the Super Bowl with the same entuhsiasm that I rooted for the Skins.

Yeah call me what you will but only a fool would stay put in such an abusive relationship that is loyalty to these Washington Redskins. Now I'm not defecting yet but I have to say if nothing is done about the lines, and at the same time we get Vinny peddling his holy draft board then it's going to be very tempting to stand up and leave. Lifes to short to wait for Dan Snyder to learn how to run a team.[/quote]

WTF.

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[quote=The Goat;520695]“[B]We have a solid offensive line, but we’re always looking to build[/B],” he said. “Guys do get injured, so when you have to put a new guy in, you would love to have him come in and have it be seamless.”

Jim Zorn

That is not what I had in mind, dude, not at all. I wonder whether this is an indicator the FO has already decided it won't replace anyone on the o-line this offseason. To me it sounds that way but maybe i'm being pessimistic. Anyway, if we literally have the exact same personnel in the trenches I'm gonna 1) vow to not visit this board through the season as to not lose my posting privilege by cussing out the ownership every 90 seconds 2) come to the harsh realization we'll be mediocre again and really, really accept it this time... maybe just watch the games and look for little things like "Did Campbell take more 3 step drops than last year" or "Can I tell how late Smoot partied last night based on that last play?"[/quote]
That's PR coachspeak for kickin' ass and takin' names. What did you expect? Samuels is ok, but Rayback blows dead dogs?

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[quote=Hog1;520710]That's PR coachspeak for kickin' ass and takin' names. What did you expect? Samuels is ok, but Rayback blows dead dogs?[/quote]

Who's Rayback...........:)

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That's incorrectspeak for Casey Rabach!

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I've also entertained the idea of going for another team. I just can't though. I think Zs not going to bash the lines but everyone knows that is going to be the focus of the draft and FA. It's so apparent that a blind man could hit it with a snow shovel.

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[quote=Hog1;520710]That's PR coachspeak for kickin' ass and takin' names. What did you expect? Samuels is ok, but Rayback blows dead dogs?[/quote]Yeah no kidding. What did you all expect him to say really? How can he say what we all know he is thinking?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;520714]I've also entertained the idea of going for another team. I just can't though. I think Zs not going to bash the lines but everyone knows that is going to be the focus of the draft and FA. It's so apparent that a blind could hit it with a snow shovel.[/quote]

Yeah, it really is hard. I mean surprisingly rooting for this franchise has brought me a lot of great memories over the years. Especially finding this site as I bet a lot of you guys can imagine it's tough talking Redskins football in Georgia. On top of that I think how can I leave when I have memories such as dressing up in my Redskins halloween costume back in October 91 or going absolutely nuts when the Skins beat the Jets on opening night, or of course my favorite memory as of late, beating the Cowboys on MNF back in 05. Of course I would be remissed if I didn't remember where I was when I found out Joe Gibbs was coming back to coach the team. Maybe it is just an empty threat, but I have to say my loyalty really is getting tested these days, though not nearly as much as say a Lions or Bengals fan.

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A young quality o-line will only take a few years to build. The Ravens did it in two years without using a a first round draft pick to do so.

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I'm just saying what is the harm calling the spade a spade and making the clear statement "Our offensive line has to perform at a significantly higher level to do the things we want to do as a team. We need to protect Jason long enough to find the open receiver, we need to make blocks downfield to help our running backs."

For a HC who has prided himself on openness his actual statement just doesn't sit well w/ me at all. There's no harm in calling attention to what we need to do.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;520721]A young quality o-line will only take a few years to build. The Ravens did it in two years without using a a first round draft pick to do so.[/quote]

If Rinehart is any indication of the FO's talent at drafting trench talent... we're gonna need to use 1st round picks on o-lineman.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520698]Yeah I hear you. Actually I have a confession to make. I Dirtbag have been flirting with the idea of becoming a Ravens fan. Fans talk all the time about sticking it to management and boycotting the team until something is done about the circus that is the Washington Redskins but they never have the heart to. I remember back in 2001 or 2002 when the Skins were like 0-5 1-5 under Marty how I started watching Ravens games the first one being the first match between the Titans and the Ravens. From that point on as more Ravens games started making their way to Atlanta I found myself becoming a fan to the point where I was rooting for the team in the Super Bowl with the same entuhsiasm that I rooted for the Skins.

Yeah call me what you will but only a fool would stay put in such an abusive relationship that is loyalty to these Washington Redskins. Now I'm not defecting yet but I have to say if nothing is done about the lines, and at the same time we get Vinny peddling his holy draft board then it's going to be very tempting to stand up and leave. Lifes to short to wait for Dan Snyder to learn how to run a team.[/quote]

If you defect, the name Dirtbag will truly fit you. Just kidding. Seriously though dude, it's just the frustration talking. You wouldn't even have posted this message if the Redskins could have put away the Rams and Bengals like they should have. Don't jump off the wagon because unlike Brett Favre, you may not be allowed back. Stay with the Burgundy and Gold, better days lie ahead! Part of being a fan is sticking with your team through thick and thin. Granted it's been thin for a long time but that's what makes winning feel so good. Now I want you to go say three "Hail to the Redskins" before your next confession, I mean post. The Warpath will cure what ails ya!

HAIL!!

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Yeah my poor Bro in law is a diehard Lions fan for godsakes!!!! He won't leave em and they are lucky to win 4 games!!!!! But I do sympathize with you, it is getting very tiresome, and that is in a way why when I finally decided to join the site in 2007 I used Gus Frerotte as my ID. It is getting sort of bad when you can look at the Turner era with some nastalgia. Give me a younger Jim Lachey, Jeff Uhlenhake, etc over some of these guys we have now on our line. I know I am going to get ripped a new a@#()*& for saying this, but I miss Gus Frerotte in his prime throwing to Westbrook and Shephard, etc. But a true fan just goes with the flow. We have more SBs under our belt than most franchises probably ever will. THe winning will come again sometime soon I hope, just not sure it is going to be with the current setup though.

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To Skinzzfan and GF, the positivity is much appreciated. Another Skins fan once told me he thought we were the best team w/ a losing record (at the time). Well, I'd say objectively we're the best 8-8 team on the year so that's something.

(yeah I know SD was 8-8... I think we're the better team)

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[quote=WaldSkins;520656]Your link goes to nothing[/quote]

Lol
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Sweet

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520719]Yeah, it really is hard. I mean surprisingly rooting for this franchise has brought me a lot of great memories over the years. Especially finding this site as I bet a lot of you guys can imagine it's tough talking Redskins football in Georgia. On top of that I think how can I leave when I have memories such as dressing up in my Redskins halloween costume back in October 91 or going absolutely nuts when the Skins beat the Jets on opening night, or of course my favorite memory as of late, beating the Cowboys on MNF back in 05. Of course I would be remissed if I didn't remember where I was when I found out Joe Gibbs was coming back to coach the team. Maybe it is just an empty threat, but I have to say my loyalty really is getting tested these days, though not nearly as much as say a Lions or Bengals fan.[/quote]

Dude, just calm down. Take a deep breath. Your first post was a frustrated rant about defection. It's okay. My girlfriend would roll her eyes if you asked her to talk about all the times I've gone off on the Redskins. It happens. You're not going anywhere and you know it.

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[quote=GMScud;520752]Dude, just calm down. Take a deep breath. Your first post was a frustrated rant about defection. It's okay. My girlfriend would roll her eyes if you asked her to talk about all the times I've gone off on the Redskins. It happens. You're not going anywhere and you know it.[/quote]

Well like I told my girlfriend in real life. If you cheat on me again then thats it. 38 times is 38 times to many!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520761]Well like I told my girlfriend in real life. If you cheat on me again then thats it. 38 times is 38 times to many![/quote]

Wow. Sounds like you've kept an accurate count. The Skins have never cheated on you, they just don't always put out. I guess that means we're married to the Redskins!

HAIL!!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520698]Yeah I hear you. Actually I have a confession to make. I Dirtbag have been flirting with the idea of becoming a Ravens fan. Fans talk all the time about sticking it to management and boycotting the team until something is done about the circus that is the Washington Redskins but they never have the heart to. I remember back in 2001 or 2002 when the Skins were like 0-5 1-5 under Marty how I started watching Ravens games the first one being the first match between the Titans and the Ravens. From that point on as more Ravens games started making their way to Atlanta I found myself becoming a fan to the point where I was rooting for the team in the Super Bowl with the same entuhsiasm that I rooted for the Skins.

Yeah call me what you will but only a fool would stay put in such an abusive relationship that is loyalty to these Washington Redskins. Now I'm not defecting yet but I have to say if nothing is done about the lines, and at the same time we get Vinny peddling his holy draft board then it's going to be very tempting to stand up and leave. Lifes to short to wait for Dan Snyder to learn how to run a team.[/quote]

Back in the day I was a Cleveland Browns fan (Kosar, Slaughter, Byner, Mack, Minnifield, Dixon, etc) but I never could get myself to root for the Ravens (even though they moved much much closer to me), love the stadium though. But I respect what Ozzie Newsome has accomplished. Though it is is interesting that he has the same exact "best player available" draft strategy that we blast here. Nowadays, my second favorite team is probably the Titans. Been that way for 12 years. Long story of how they became my second favorite team.

But the distance between my first and second favorite team is bigger than the holes Timmy Smith got in the Super Bowl.

But anyway, what are you going to do if you go to another team and then they tank? Come running back to the Redskins?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520719]Yeah, it really is hard. I mean surprisingly rooting for this franchise has brought me a lot of great memories over the years. Especially finding this site as I bet a lot of you guys can imagine it's tough talking Redskins football in Georgia. On top of that I think how can I leave when [B]I have memories such as dressing up in my Redskins halloween costume back in October 91 [/B]or going absolutely nuts when the Skins beat the Jets on opening night, or of course my favorite memory as of late, beating the Cowboys on MNF back in 05. Of course I would be remissed if I didn't remember where I was when I found out Joe Gibbs was coming back to coach the team. Maybe it is just an empty threat, but I have to say my loyalty really is getting tested these days, though not nearly as much as say a Lions or Bengals fan.[/quote]Obviously, you're a good deal younger than I am - thanks for the good chuckle! I confess to dressing up as a Redskin during the George Allen era ;-).

Seriously though, my Dad is a long suffering Iggles fan, so I saw the pain of sticking with one team when I was just a kid. Suffering through the tough times makes the big victories much, much sweeter. Don't make the leap, DirtBag, have some faith that Zorn will have this team winning in due time.

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I didn't read anything that indicated the same old. To me it looked like they were seeing the need to build the O line. Address the pass rush. And improve relationships and leadership roles. Did we expect Zorn to say "our Offense sucks but were working on it?" no but he did say build it which to me means changes to the O line. Including depth in that area.

No sense in freaking out now after what we've been through the last decade. We finally seem to have direction. I could be wrong.

What's with the Willy Wonka????

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[quote=SmootSmack;520767]
But anyway, what are you going to do if you go to another team and then they tank? Come running back to the Redskins?[/quote]

Nope at that point switching teams will be easy since I'd already sold my soul. So if the Ravens tanked I'd take the Lebron James approach to rooting for teams. My new favorite Baseball team the Yankees, favorite Basketball team, the Cav's, favorite NFL team New England, favorite soccer team Man U, favorite international soccer team Brazil, favorite golfer Tiger Woods, and so on and so on. Then when people say, "dude you're such a frontrunner" I'd reply with something along the lines of "no, I'm just a winner."

[quote=44ever;520804]
What's with the Willy Wonka????[/quote]

Just a play on words with the post I quoted and the end of the Gif.

[quote=SkinzzFan;520765]Wow. Sounds like you've kept an accurate count. [B]The Skins have never cheated on you[/B], they just don't always put out. I guess that means we're married to the Redskins!

HAIL!![/quote]

Lol, obviously you weren't with me during last years draft. Not only did I come down with a horrible cold but every pick practically made me cringe.

Devin Thomas - Alright, would rather have Jordy but it makes sense
Fred Davis - WTF, a TE? Crap Malcolm Kelly's still on the board don't tell me they're actually going to
Malcolm Kelly - They actually...went out...and...did it?!??! You're f*ing kidding me *cries self to sleep*
Chad Rhinehart - Grrrrrrr, Bugel better have seen something in him, especially with guys like McGlynn and Schuenning on the board
Justin Tryon - Who?
Durant Brooks - A punter?????
Colt Brennan - Not the worst pick ever but Henderson and Justice are still on the board?
Kareem Moore - No one was going to draft this guy get Henderson!
Rob Jackson - Who the hell is this guy? Draft Henderson
Chris Horton - [I]Oh this guy is going to be amazing. Yep he's probably going to get a handful of tackles and maybe around 3 interceptions. [/I]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520827]Nope at that point switching teams will be easy since I'd already sold my soul. So if the Ravens tanked I'd take the Lebron James approach to rooting for teams. My new favorite Baseball team the Yankees, favorite Basketball team, the Cav's, favorite NFL team New England, favorite soccer team Man U, favorite international soccer team Brazil, favorite golfer Tiger Woods, and so on and so on.[/quote]

You do know that the bandwagon team in the NFL is the Cowpukes, right? LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;520829]You do know that the bandwagon team in the NFL is the Cowpukes, right? LOL.[/quote]

Screw that I'm a front runner baby. Can't be rooting for no cowpokes. They haven't won a playoff game since I hit puberty.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520698]Yeah I hear you. Actually I have a confession to make. I Dirtbag have been flirting with the idea of becoming a Ravens fan. Fans talk all the time about sticking it to management and boycotting the team until something is done about the circus that is the Washington Redskins but they never have the heart to. I remember back in 2001 or 2002 when the Skins were like 0-5 1-5 under Marty how I started watching Ravens games the first one being the first match between the Titans and the Ravens. From that point on as more Ravens games started making their way to Atlanta I found myself becoming a fan to the point where I was rooting for the team in the Super Bowl with the same entuhsiasm that I rooted for the Skins.

Yeah call me what you will but only a fool would stay put in such an abusive relationship that is loyalty to these Washington Redskins. Now I'm not defecting yet but I have to say if nothing is done about the lines, and at the same time we get Vinny peddling his holy draft board then it's going to be very tempting to stand up and leave. Lifes to short to wait for Dan Snyder to learn how to run a team.[/quote]
So your saying if our draft is poor your going or are you going to wait until week 8 of the season and pick the team with the best record? If you do switch and the Skins and Ravens played in the SB your sticking with the Ravens.

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Everybody calm down. You guys really think the skins are going to state the obvious and say that they need to draft linemen? Come on if they say it and EVERY other team knows what they are going to do, that limits there trade options. On draft day the only team that knows what is going to happen is the one with the first pick and past the first pick the rest is a crap shoot. Not one team really says what or who they want, which would handicap themselves in the draft. Couple more months and we will all know.....

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Considering we needed linemen last year and instead got two receivers and a tight end, i think other teams won't be surprised by ANYTHING we do this year. Personally, i wouldnt be surprised at all if we drafted a receiver, cornerback, safety, running back, or even quarterback with our 1st pick. Nothing this team does surprises me anymore.

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Seriously dirtbag, you sound like my younger brother who likes winning and when he loses a game he just quits in the middle and never touches it again. That isn't what life is about dude, can't just run away when the going gets tough.

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[quote=hooskins;520919]Seriously dirtbag, you sound like my younger brother who likes winning and when he loses a game he just quits in the middle and never touches it again. That isn't what life is about dude, can't just run away when the going gets tough.[/quote]

No one likes loosing, however what I can't stand is incompetent management. My post was more about that then anything, a lot of the other guys saw that to. Like I said before, even though I have considered it, the fact remains that the rant is more likely an expression of frustration. Ironically rooting for a sports team is a lot like being attracted to someone, it's not really much of a choice, rather it just is. I'm way past the point where I'm a Redskin fan because I choose to be, it's just something I am, so even if I tried I doubt I could do it. In fact technically speaking my best chance was when the Ravens won the Super Bowl as I had started not only rooting for them before mid-season, but also because I had started paying attention to the Redskins again in 1999 when I started playing High School Football. The mid-90's were more of a baseball/video games time for me.

However I also examined, through me, how we the fans might be part of the problem. As a thread pointed out recently the Washington Redskins are the third most valuable sports franchise in the world, despite being run like a circus, save Gibbs 2.0. We keep buying tickets, merchandise, parking spots, etc. As a result we leave a stubborn owner with the justification he needs to run the franchise with his best friend at GM, and a head coach that's less likely to stand up to him. If more people were willing to at least turn their back to the team then maybe we'd stand a chance of not having to put up with the deconstruction of this once proud franchise.

Though it is kind of ironic considering that if the Colts hadn't moved I would more likely then not be a Baltimore Colts fan.

Also before I forget, for anyone else who may want to "come after me" (I quote this because it's been pretty civil for the most part) for my first post your free to say whats on your mind. I said what I said and it came from the heart. My only request is that you at least read the entire thread rather then reading that one post hitting the quote button and telling me what a bad fan I am.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520924]No one likes loosing, however what I can't stand is incompetent management. My post was more about that then anything, a lot of the other guys saw that to. Like I said before, even though I have considered it, the fact remains that the rant is more likely an expression of frustration. Ironically rooting for a sports team is a lot like being attracted to someone, it's not really much of a choice, rather it just is. I'm way past the point where I'm a Redskin fan because I choose to be, it's just something I am, so even if I tried I doubt I could do it. In fact technically speaking my best chance was when the Ravens won the Super Bowl as I had started not only rooting for them before mid-season, but also because I had started paying attention to the Redskins again in 1999 when I started playing High School Football. The mid-90's were more of a baseball/video games time for me.

However I also examined, through me, how we the fans might be part of the problem. As a thread pointed out recently the Washington Redskins are the third most valuable sports franchise in the world, despite being run like a circus, save Gibbs 2.0. We keep buying tickets, merchandise, parking spots, etc. As a result we leave a stubborn owner with the justification he needs to run the franchise with his best friend at GM, and a head coach that's less likely to stand up to him. If more people were willing to at least turn their back to the team then maybe we'd stand a chance of not having to put up with the deconstruction of this once proud franchise.

Though it is kind of ironic considering that if the Colts hadn't moved I would more likely then not be a Baltimore Colts fan.

Also before I forget, for anyone else who may want to "come after me" (I quote this because it's been pretty civil for the most part) for my first post your free to say whats on your mind. I said what I said and it came from the heart. My only request is that you at least read the entire thread rather then reading that one post hitting the quote button and telling me what a bad fan I am.[/quote]

I think it's probably best if you stepped back and looked across the NFL and you'll find several teams that have many of the same "issues", structure, and philosophies as the Redskins. We tend to think we're the absolute worst because we dedicate so much of our time each day to discussing it. But the number of teams like the Redskins is much higher than the number of teams not like the Redskins.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;520698]Yeah I hear you. Actually I have a confession to make. I Dirtbag have been flirting with the idea of becoming a Ravens fan. Fans talk all the time about sticking it to management and boycotting the team until something is done about the circus that is the Washington Redskins but they never have the heart to. I remember back in 2001 or 2002 when the Skins were like 0-5 1-5 under Marty how I started watching Ravens games the first one being the first match between the Titans and the Ravens. From that point on as more Ravens games started making their way to Atlanta I found myself becoming a fan to the point where I was rooting for the team in the Super Bowl with the same entuhsiasm that I rooted for the Skins.

Yeah call me what you will but only a fool would stay put in such an abusive relationship that is loyalty to these Washington Redskins. Now I'm not defecting yet but I have to say if nothing is done about the lines, and at the same time we get Vinny peddling his holy draft board then it's going to be very tempting to stand up and leave. Lifes to short to wait for Dan Snyder to learn how to run a team.[/quote]

Wow, I am so glad to see someone else stating what I have also been thinking. I attended the NFC Championship game at RFK back in 1991 - I remember screaming at the top of my lungs and the stadium was so loud that I could not even hear myself. We were literally shaking the foundations. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm a diehard Skins fan, and I used to be obnoxiously so -- I went to college in Texas, my college roommate was from Denver when we whipped their asses in 1987 (yes, a group of them burned their jerseys on a bet I made to them). I mean, I loved the Skins, absolutely loved them. Fast forward to today ... I almost can't take it anymore. From moving out of RFK to overpaying for washed up free agents, to Sean Taylor being murdered (the only player I loved on the team since Darrel Green retired), to today with the most mediocre crew I can remember ... I think to myself, maybe I need a break. I never thought I'd think that, but I guess I never thought we'd have an owner so utterly incompetent. I live in Denver now, and with the new coach, I have been debating switching to Denver until Snyder is gone. It is kind of sad to have such thoughts. Wow, that felt good to vent.

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[quote=grantarchy;520939]Wow, I am so glad to see someone else stating what I have also been thinking. I attended the NFC Championship game at RFK back in 1991 - I remember screaming at the top of my lungs and the stadium was so loud that I could not even hear myself. We were literally shaking the foundations. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm a diehard Skins fan, and I used to be obnoxiously so -- I went to college in Texas, my college roommate was from Denver when we whipped their asses in 1987 (yes, a group of them burned their jerseys on a bet I made to them). I mean, I loved the Skins, absolutely loved them. Fast forward to today ... I almost can't take it anymore. From moving out of RFK to overpaying for washed up free agents, to Sean Taylor being murdered (the only player I loved on the team since Darrel Green retired), to today with the most mediocre crew I can remember ... I think to myself, maybe I need a break. I never thought I'd think that, but I guess I never thought we'd have an owner so utterly incompetent. I live in Denver now, and with the new coach, I have been debating switching to Denver until Snyder is gone. It is kind of sad to have such thoughts. Wow, that felt good to vent.[/quote]

Seriously? I don't even know how to respond to all this....Seriously?