There's no room for football in Westbrook's heart
 

Interesting article on what MW has been up to since retiring from football

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinskas_pat&id=3335714]ESPN - There's no room for football in Westbrook's heart - NFL[/url]

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sounds like brandon lloyd . . . never had any ill will towards westbrook, glad to see he is happy

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I also wish him no ill will, just sad that he never turned out to be the star we all thought he would be.... I often think of bringing his jersey out of retirment for a game here and there, but then I remember to stop dwelling on the past, and if I wanted to wear a jersey for irony, I would rock a Heath Shuler one damnit

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I also forgot to mention, that after his reconstructive surgery he ran a 4.35 fourty in a workout with the bengals before signing.... pretty impressive but what was his combine speed?
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2002/07/02/westbrook020702.html]Bengals grab Michael Westbrook[/url]




I only ask because I get tired of worrying about combine 40, press, ect.... I just pray we get a star who can make plays and free up Santana into some more single coverage and make everyone better. Is that too much to ask out of the draft? I dont care what round they come from as long as they produce and show me they are a "True player of the game and a man in life"

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really good article, you can see where he's coming from. I agree w/him about feeling sorry for high draft prospects. I mean how many of these guys say "I'm the man & should be drafted high?" Sure, some of them do, but it's the scouts, coaches & fans that build the expectations, then if these guys don't come through, they're a "bust." Westbrook's career was actually not bad. If he were a 3rd round pick, we'd have said he was okay but still a bit of a head case.

The one thing I disagree w/him about is when he says he wasn't selfish enough. I wonder if his coaches & teamates agree w/that. He surely seemed pretty selfish & never seemed to play hurt (I know, the article mentions a cast on his hand).

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Man I was hoping this article was about Brian Westbrook.

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Good piece. I gotta tell you, when I was working in DC covering the Redskins Westbrook was one of the strangest cats to deal with. I could be chatting with him and say "Hey Michael, here are the things we want to talk with you about during the interview" And we'd go over it and everything would be fine and he'd be real polite and give thorough answers. But then as soon as the camera flipped on, he was a completely changed man. I could never figure it out.

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I remember reading something about him right after he was drafted that's stuck with me. Someone asked him what his favorite football team was growing up and he said he didn't have a team, and that he didn't even follow football that closely. Right then I wondered if he was in football for the right reasons. Seems like he's found his true calling now.

Too bad regarding football because the guy had a ton of talent and could have been something special. I thought he had turned the corner after the nice season he had in '99.

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[quote=SmootSmack;440086]Good piece. I gotta tell you, when I was working in DC covering the Redskins Westbrook was one of the strangest cats to deal with. I could be chatting with him and say "Hey Michael, here are the things we want to talk with you about during the interview" And we'd go over it and everything would be fine and he'd be real polite and give thorough answers. But then as soon as the camera flipped on, he was a completely changed man. I could never figure it out.[/quote]

So, your saying he is the exact opposite of Darrell Green in front of the camera?

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[QUOTE=Redskin Rich;440094]So, your saying he is the exact opposite of Darrell Green in front of the camera?[/QUOTE]

Hmm...well yeah I guess so. Never really thought of it that way.

I always forget if it was Casserly that wanted him or Norv. I know that one wanted Shuler and Galloway, and the other wanted Dilfer and Westbrook.

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[quote=SmootSmack;440100]Hmm...well yeah I guess so. Never really thought of it that way.

I always forget if it was Casserly that wanted him or Norv. I know that one wanted Shuler and Galloway, and the other wanted Dilfer and Westbrook.[/quote]
I remember Norv wanted Heath... don't know about the rest of it. Were Galloway and Westbrook in the same class? Man, did we screw the pooch on that one if they were.

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[quote=SmootSmack;440100]Hmm...well yeah I guess so. Never really thought of it that way.

I always forget if it was Casserly that wanted him or Norv. I know that one wanted Shuler and Galloway, and the other wanted Dilfer and Westbrook.[/quote]
btw... are we the only two on here who have those thoughts on DG?

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[quote=SmootSmack;440100]Hmm...well yeah I guess so. Never really thought of it that way.

I always forget if it was Casserly that wanted him or Norv. I know that one wanted Shuler and Galloway, and the other wanted Dilfer and Westbrook.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that Shuler was Norv's call.

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You know i'm glad he's happy now. I can understand alot of what he's saying but it's his actions that led to his bad rap. I think most fans were rooting for him to do well. After the Davis incident he lost alot of respect. He's a very strange dude. Why would he think everyone is jealous of him? Don't get it.

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[QUOTE=Redskin Rich;440104]I remember Norv wanted Heath... don't know about the rest of it. Were Galloway and Westbrook in the same class? Man, did we screw the pooch on that one if they were.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I think you and Matty are right about Norv/Shuler. Westbrook was the #4 overall pick in 1995, Galloway was #8

But I think I was wrong about Galloway, judging by this

"Casserly wanted to pick Trent Dilfer of Fresno State, but Turner preferred Heath Shuler, coming out of Tennessee after his junior year."

"In the 1995 draft the Redskins again used their top pick on offense, this time to fulfill Turner's desire for a big-play wide receiver along the lines of Michael Irvin, whom he'd coached in Dallas. Again Casserly and Turner disagreed on the best choice--Casserly preferring Joey Galloway of Ohio State and Turner wanting Michael Westbrook of Colorado, who was bigger and more physical than Galloway."

[url=http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/6909.html]Gimme Some D - Sports (washingtonian.com)[/url]

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I am glad that he is having a good time with Brazilian Jujitsu. Personally I cannot stand the art. I would much rather play football.

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[QUOTE=Redskin Rich;440105]btw... are we the only two on here who have those thoughts on DG?[/QUOTE]

I don't think so

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[quote=Redskin Rich;440105]btw... are we the only two on here who have those thoughts on DG?[/quote]

Nope! I agree with you meet him a couple he was kind of a dick. I still love the guy for his play on the field but probably would not want to drink beers with him.


One time I was at Criswell's in Gaithersburg, MD getting my car serviced. I saw a dirty Lamborghini and went over to look at it. As I was crouching down to check out the rims someone said excuse me can I get in my car. When I turned around it was Micheal Westbrook and I had his jersey on at the time! I was older then him at the time (still am). I felt like a twenty year old at New Kids on the Block concert in the eighty's.

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[quote=mredskins;440113]Nope! I agree with you meet him a couple he was kind of a dick. I still love the guy for his play on the field but probably would not want to drink beers with him.


One time I was at Criswell's in Gaithersburg, MD getting my car serviced. I saw a dirty Lamborghini and went over to look at it. As I was crouching down to check out the rims someone said excuse me can I get in my car. When I turned around it was Micheal Westbrook and I had his jersey on at the time! I was older then him at the time (still am). I felt like a twenty year old at New Kids on the Block concert in the eighty's.[/quote]

I once followed him to Fed Ex while he was driving it to a game... He was late.

Dude had some guns though

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[quote=SmootSmack;440110]Yeah I think you and Matty are right about Norv/Shuler. Westbrook was the #4 overall pick in 1995, Galloway was #8

But I think I was wrong about Galloway, judging by this

"[B]Casserly wanted to pick Trent Dilfer[/B] of Fresno State, but Turner preferred Heath Shuler, coming out of Tennessee after his junior year."

"In the 1995 draft the Redskins again used their top pick on offense, this time to fulfill Turner's desire for a big-play wide receiver along the lines of Michael Irvin, whom he'd coached in Dallas. Again Casserly and Turner disagreed on the best choice--[B]Casserly preferring Joey Galloway[/B] of Ohio State and Turner wanting Michael Westbrook of Colorado, who was bigger and more physical than Galloway."

[URL="http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/sports/6909.html"]Gimme Some D - Sports (washingtonian.com)[/URL][/quote]

Considering the careers, I would definately agree we should have kept Casserly and gotten rid of Norv first... oh well.

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I don't have any personal ill will towards the guy but I couldn't care any less about him.

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I don't think people realize how clueless Norv was as a "leader" on that team. And I say this having thought over the past several years that he was overruled on Galloway. Norv, nice guy but just clueless

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Interesting article on Westbrook. I had often wondered what he was doing with his life now that he's out of Football.

He sounds like a man at peace with himself, a man blessed with immense talent that didn't want to neccessarily aply it all to the game of Football. If he's happy in what he's doing, then I guess that's all that really matters.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;440121]I don't think people realize how clueless Norv was as a "leader" on that team. And I say this having thought over the past several years that he was overruled on Galloway. Norv, nice guy but just clueless[/QUOTE]

Just curious. Is he considered any less clueless as a head coach now?

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Not 100% sure. I mean I haven't dealt with him in nearly a decade

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I am glad he is happy and doing something he is truly passionate about.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;440219]I am glad he is happy and doing something he is truly passionate about.[/quote]

Yeah.....beating people up is fun. I wonder what is fighting personality is. Is he more like Miage or the leader of the Cobra Kai's? My money's on the guy from the Cobra's

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I hate to sound childish but he has to be gay.
Not that I care what his sexual preference is, Let me just point out a few things:

There is not a straight man on the planet that will go to the lengths MW has to prove he is not gay.

He showed no remorse for punching S.Davis in the face repeatedly, He was more concerned with what the media perceived happened which was that S.Davis said he was gay.
also, He has to mention that his EX-Girlfriend was outraged when she heard the rumor last year. Who in the hell brings up their exgirlfriend in an interview that is completely unrelated?

another thing, He doesn't like the nfl lifestyle which consist of money, fame and women. He would rather roll around on a mat with a grown man.

I bet you he has a teacup chihuahua named Caligula and a Poodle name Hefner.

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[quote=jamf;440245]I hate to sound childish but he has to be gay.
Not that I care what his sexual preference is, Let me just point out a few things:

There is not a straight man on the planet that will go to the lengths MW has to prove he is not gay.

He showed no remorse for punching S.Davis in the face repeatedly, He was more concerned with what the media perceived happened which was that S.Davis said he was gay.
also, He has to mention that his EX-Girlfriend was outraged when she heard the rumor last year. Who in the hell brings up their exgirlfriend in an interview that is completely unrelated?

another thing, He doesn't like the nfl lifestyle which consist of money, fame and women. He would rather roll around on a mat with a grown man.

I bet you he has a teacup chihuahua named Caligula and a Poodle name Hefner.[/quote]

I'm sorry but as a top notch armchair lawyer, your case is circumstantial at best.

As far as dogs go, well according to Cesar Milan (the dog whisper) says the type of dog a person owns is a reflection of their personallity, in otherwords when you see a guy walking a dog down the street he's walking himself (Ironically he owns two pit bulls, so I guess he stays true to that belief).

So what happens when a guy is with a girl that owns a poodle, well

1. Maybe he's whipped
2. Maybe he's a good guy wants his wife to be happy
3. Maybe he's 1 and 2
4. Maybe he had an affair and is hoping that the dog will keep his wife distracted long enough so she doesn't notice.

Note: I know you didn't say that Michael Westbrook owned one of those dogs I'm just ranting off topic.

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[quote=SmootSmack;440100]Hmm...well yeah I guess so. Never really thought of it that way.

I always forget if it was Casserly that wanted him or Norv. I know that one wanted Shuler and Galloway, and the other wanted Dilfer and Westbrook.[/quote]I remember that draft well. Warren Sapp was considered the top pick until marijuana stories came out. I was hoping that he would slip to our spot, and Casserly would take him with the 4th pick. We took Westbrook, and Sapp slid out of the top 10, falling in Tampa's lap.

Great article on Westbrook that confirmed much of what I thought about him - a great athlete with absolutely no passion for football. To me, he's the Jeff George of wide receivers - among the most physically gifted players ever, but completely lacking in the mental makeup necessary to be a great player.

I'm glad that Westbrook found his calling with MMA. If he was 10 years younger, he would probably be a serious contender for a MMA title.

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Who cares if he's gay or not?

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[quote=Redskin Rich;440117]Dude had some guns though[/quote]

Stephen Davis agrees with you.

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I was so excited when he was drafted. He was a football monster at Colorado and I thought he'd be a superstar in the NFL for us.

Sometimes fame and attention can sidetrack even the most gifted athletes and it's a shame. This is why the NFL has so many rookie orientations on how to handle money, women, everything imaginable.

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[quote=freddyg12;440077]really good article, you can see where he's coming from. I agree w/him about feeling sorry for high draft prospects. I mean how many of these guys say "I'm the man & should be drafted high?" Sure, some of them do, but it's the scouts, coaches & fans that build the expectations, then if these guys don't come through, they're a "bust." Westbrook's career was actually not bad. If he were a 3rd round pick, we'd have said he was okay but still a bit of a head case.

The one thing I disagree w/him about is when he says he wasn't selfish enough. I wonder if his coaches & teamates agree w/that. He surely seemed pretty selfish & never seemed to play hurt (I know, the article mentions a cast on his hand).[/quote]
They all say I'm the man and want to get drafted high. Thats what they work on for years to make it big in the NFL and getting that big pay day. Yes, its a tough spot with lots of preasure but these guys receive a hugh pay day before they ever perform on the field. So even if they fail most are set for life. I'm sure there are tons of stories like WB that we never hear about but thats life in the NFL. I'm sure there are a bunch of guys that just want to get drafted and play football but the ulitmate goal is making it big.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;440285]Who cares if he's gay or not?[/QUOTE]
Personally I don't, But Mike seems to care too much about what other people think. That's all I was trying to point out in my post.

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[quote=jamf;440310]Personally I don't, But Mike seems to care too much about what other people think. That's all I was trying to point out in my post.[/quote]

Not sure why that would mean he's gay.

To me it sounded like he was just trying to explain what really happened.

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Westbrook was waaaaay too thin skined to be a professional athlete. Guy had all the talent in the world but he just couldn't put it together. The NFL was just not for him. Glad he's happy now.

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Westbrook and Shuler are proof that bad drafts can set a team back for years. It took Gibbs 4 years to put together a competitive team after the Spurrier debacles and Marty never stood a chance with only one year.

PLEASE NO WR IN 1ST ROUND!

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[quote=skinsfan69;440385][B]Westbrook was waaaaay too thin skined to be a professional athlete.[/B] Guy had all the talent in the world but he just couldn't put it together. The NFL was just not for him. Glad he's happy now.[/quote]

That probably sums it all up right there

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OK, so people are complaing that he didn't have room in his heart for football, but he had enough room for a couple of benwa balls in his A**. His sexual preference had nothing to do with his ability or desire as a football player. That was his business. I just wish that he had never wasted his or our time by declaring himself eligble for the draft since his heart wasn't into it. He did though, so it was what it was, and it is what it is. He's happy, we're happy, so lets just move on.