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EB did a really good job here. IMO he was treated like crap on the way out, deserved much better.

Wish him the very best! CLASS ACT

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I always liked him. I remember him from back when I was a tot.

Good luck to him.

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Good luck to him

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You have to wonder what it is or was about him that put the organization off? When everybody else got 3 year extensions after the 05 season and he was only offered a 2 year deal, well, you have to think Gibbs could have gotten him what he wanted but didn't right? I mean, he was the guy calling the shots and pulling the strings on the coaches.

JLC obviously loves Ernest for no small reason because he's nice to him and gives him info. Seems like the four horses have a lot of respect for him too. I know I love the guy and the fans do too. Just would love to hear the brass's explanation of why Ernest was treated differently by an organization that is not generally criticized for its treatment of coaches.

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happy trails to you...

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Sad to see the way this all went down, I really like EB.

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That's rough that we treated the man like that. He played and coached his guts out for the B&G. Best of luck EB.

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Ernest Byner was a great R.B for us and a great coach. I wish him only the best.

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"What we were looking for was a coach with characteristics. And our characteristics were starting with character, a character person. Joe [Gibbs] has such character and I've learned so much not only about him, but about what I and the Redskins want in the future."

Glad Snyder at least looks for character in others, not so sure he'd be able to spot it though ... But JLC is probably just bashing Snyder, you know how those media types can be ...

And I know he provided the plane to Todd Collins and I know he flew the whole organization to Miami, but damn. Hard to know how to take these kind of stories. To show up, with the expectation of signing a contract that was on the table and then be told not so fast. If he really did turn down the TB job, or at least take his name out of the running, that is such a giant kick in the groin.

I honestly do wonder what the 'other side of the story' is and why his contract was treated differently than everyone else's. Obviously something was up, someone didn't like him, or didn't think much of his coaching, or something. The immediate circumstances suck, and seem on their face pretty abhorrent, but I wonder why the situation even existed in the first place (why the shorter contract, etc.). Any insights?

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When I hear crap like that it makes me not even want to root for this team. Byner was a true Redskin and to have him treated like that makes me dislike Snyder and Vinny even more than I already do. Very classless IMO.

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I wish good luck to him elsewhere, he did a great job while he was here with Portis and Betts. It's sad to see some things end like this but it's the nature of the business.

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Yeah there's gotta be more to this story. I mean seriously, you don't treat a real good coach this way. Maybe the RBs complained about something alot, maybe he beat the s#!t out of DS at racquetball, maybe he was suspected of being the mysterious 'anonymous team source' by the front office. who's to say, I just cant imagine doing this to what appears to be a great man and coach. There has to be more to this story, and well probably never ever know for sure.

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Well, I think we all think he was a great coach, and Gotta say he did a good job with Betts, although his fumbling issues were in the limelight constantly. All that being said, I'm not so sure another RB coach couldn't produce the same if not better numbers.
I am the type of person that appreciates dedication and devotion to a team, and Byner loved us, and I loved Byner. He will be missed here. I didn't think we would need to find another RB coach, and I am not happy by how it went down, but I'm sure we will land on our feet with this.
But still, I wish him the best.

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I can't comprehend how someone like DS who claims to have been a huge Redskins fan growing up, treat Byner this low. They could have treated this with more dignity especially with his story as a player and coach for the skins. I know people will say "it's business", to me that's BS. This is our corporate America society attitude and I hate it.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;421975]I can't comprehend how someone like DS who claims to have been a huge Redskins fan growing up, treat Byner this low. They could have treated this with more dignity especially with his story as a player and coach for the skins. I know people will say "it's business", to me that's BS. This is our corporate America society attitude and I hate it.[/QUOTE]

I really don't get why they let him go. Does anyone have any real reasons for this? I don't think it's because Zorn wanted to surround himself with friends, there has to be something else. He did not do a bad job at all. It's not right how we treated him.

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Ask Bobby Mitchell - - who had a longer and far more distinguished career on the field for the Redskins than did Earnest Byner - - about how things "happen" in the Skins FO.

It is a long and sordid tale...

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But again, we want to blame Dan and Vinny for this but isn't Joe culpable too?　　He was the guy calling the shots on the coaching hires and he didn't seem to stick his neck out for Ernest in 05.

This offseason the mantra was continuity, particularily with the coaches, yet again, it doesn't seem like anyone from the top down was pleeding Byner's case.

So what? Well maybe they just don't think he's that good. I mean, obviously right? If they are wrong about that, well, they are wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but you can't fault the guys for trying to field the best coaching staff they feel is possible.

Just because Byner is a nice "classy" guy doesn't mean he gets to keep his job if they think there's a better guy out there.

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The "process" strikes again. I sware, one day I'm going to eliminate that word from the english language. That way DS will have to come up with another excuse as to why he treats people like shit and drags them through 12 hour interviews due to his indecisiveness as the De-Facto GM.

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There isn't anything to wonder about with Earnest Byner. His work speaks for itself with the results he has had, and the person that he is speaks for itself as well. As far as Dan Snyder offering a contract to Byner and then pulling it back when he came in to sign it, well, that speaks for itself too.

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Don't be so quick to assume things. There are two sides to every story, that's all I'm going to say.

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I remember him when he played for us and you all do. He was such a great tailback and tough runner. Seemed like he never went down by one man and his powerful legs always kept on pushing for more yards.

Him getting let go is sad but this is a business. Who knows the whole story with Tampa and this and that. He will be ok, if not this year then next. We had a top flight rushing attack and he coached with the best. Just think that JLC hates Snyder and this was written in a way to make EB look like a total victim and Snyder the big bad wolf. He's gone now move on, I hear our new RB coach is a stud.

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[quote=QBall;422005]I remember him when he played for us and you all do. He was such a great tailback and tough runner. Seemed like he never went down by one man and his powerful legs always kept on pushing for more yards.

Him getting let go is sad but this is a business. Who knows the whole story with Tampa and this and that. He will be ok, if not this year then next. We had a top flight rushing attack and he coached with the best. Just think that JLC hates Snyder and this was written in a way to make EB look like a total victim and Snyder the big bad wolf. He's gone now move on, [B]I hear our new RB coach is a stud[/B].[/quote]

Actually he's a Stump! :)

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Sucks for Byner...but you gotta figure that Zorn only gets to pics a very small amount of his 'guys' or friends to coach with him, adn that was one of the open spots.

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thank EB for the memories as a player thanks for being a coach with the burgundy and gold..

wish you well.

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So what did the front office do that was so wrong? Not offer him an extension when we were still looking for a new head coach who may want his own RB coach? We did not extend a contract which if we let him go we would have to buy him out? I just did not get anything besides letting him go that they did wrong. I don't know EB and it seems like he was a nice guy but nice guys do get let go all the time. Everyone says he did such a great job but if you look at the numbers is that really true. Portis had more fumbles this year than ever before, Betts always has had fumble issues, and Sellers really did not do much this year. All of our running backs had big drops in their average yards per carry. Yes some of this can be blamed on injuries but I do not believe that was the only reason.

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[quote=firstdown;422018]So what did the front office do that was so wrong? Not offer him an extension when we were still looking for a new head coach who may want his own RB coach? We did not extend a contract which if we let him go we would have to buy him out? I just did not get anything besides letting him go that they did wrong. I don't know EB and it seems like he was a nice guy but nice guys do get let go all the time. Everyone says he did such a great job but if you look at the numbers is that really true. Portis had more fumbles this year than ever before, Betts always has had fumble issues, and Sellers really did not do much this year. All of our running backs had big drops in their average yards per carry. [B]Yes some of this can be blamed on injuries but I do not believe that was the only reason.[/B][/quote]

EB was also the RB coach in 2005 when Portis set the franchise mark for rushing and in 2006 when Betts played great down the stretch. The injuries on the o-line were at the heart of decline rushing numbers this year. It is fine if you want to say that 'it's just business', but don't try to pin any decline in rushing numbers on the RB coach, that is patently unfair.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;422029]EB was also the RB coach in 2005 when Portis set the franchise mark for rushing and in 2006 when Betts played great down the stretch. The injuries on the o-line were at the heart of decline rushing numbers this year. It is fine if you want to say that 'it's just business', but don't try to pin any decline in rushing numbers on the RB coach, that is patently unfair.[/quote]
OK how about fumble problems of Betts for the past three years and Ports this year. I'm not bashing EB but everyone is saying how great he has done but I'm not sure it has been all that great. CP is going to get the yards and in 05 had to run the ball a bunch to get those yards and many here said we were going to wear him out. Betts did have a great run but he has always had a fumble issues which seemed to never get addressed. Sellers to me seemed like he took a step back in his running this year and seemed to leave his feet too often not driving for the first down.

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We all like EB and from what players say he's well respected. I'm all for Zorn bringing in his own guys, so on that end...fine.

The problem I have is why not let him go if you don't like him. There's no harm in telling him your intentions so he can land on his feet somewhere. Maybe TB would have hired him.

Of course there may be two sides to the story but you have an accumulating mountain of evidence that makes me skeptical when i hear character coming out of the mouths of DS and VC.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;421978]Ask Bobby Mitchell - - who had a longer and far more distinguished career on the field for the Redskins than did Earnest Byner - - about how things "happen" in the Skins FO.

It is a long and sordid tale...[/quote]

I think we can say BM is not DS's biggest fan.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;421978]Ask Bobby Mitchell - - who had a longer and far more distinguished career on the field for the Redskins than did Earnest Byner - - about how things "happen" in the Skins FO.

It is a long and sordid tale...[/quote]

I read a little but about this a long time ago. Charley Casserly was promoted over Bobby for GM even though Mitchell had been with the team longer adn was more qualified. Bobby had the title of assistant GM. I always believed that it had something to do with race. I certainly can't prove this in any way but sometimes you wonder. The guy is a HOF player and then moved to the FO. He was an employee for how many years? Why wasn't he promoted over Casserly? I'm not saying in any was possible that Jack Kent Cooke was a racist in any way possible. But sometimes I think it's a comfort thing and Cooke was probably more comfortable with a white GM. And I don't have a problem with that. It was his team. I remember Bobby M. being interviewed on Doc Walker's show and you could tell Bobby wanted to say some things that he just couldn't say.

Now regarding Byner I just think EB is not going to be the kind of guy who is an ass kisser. He's not the corporate kind of guy that Snyder likes. Neither was GW or Marty S. He probably coaches Portis really hard and gets on him for not practicing. But who knows?

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[quote=skinsfan69;422053]I read a little but about this a long time ago. Charley Casserly was promoted over Bobby for GM even though Mitchell had been with the team longer adn was more qualified. Bobby had the title of assistant GM. I always believed that it had something to do with race. I certainly can't prove this in any way but sometimes you wonder. The guy is a HOF player and then moved to the FO. He was an employee for how many years? Why wasn't he promoted over Casserly? I'm not saying in any was possible that Jack Kent Cooke was a racist in any way possible. But sometimes I think it's a comfort thing and Cooke was probably more comfortable with a white GM. And I don't have a problem with that. It was his team. I remember Bobby M. being interviewed on Doc Walker's show and you could tell Bobby wanted to say some things that he just couldn't say.

Now regarding Byner I just think EB is not going to be the kind of guy who is an ass kisser. He's not the corporate kind of guy that Snyder likes. Neither was GW or Marty S. He probably coaches Portis really hard and gets on him for not practicing. But who knows?[/quote]
From now on if anyone is fired or let go by the Skins it was because they did not kiss up to Snyder. That will just be the new given rule so we don't even need a thread we will just know what happened.

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For weeks, we complain about the HC not being allowed to choose his assistants. He brings in a guy he really wants on his staff...and now we're complaining about that.

But I understand the inconsistencies.

Still, there are so many dynamics to it all. It's not as simple as "Byner got screwed."

And JLC is upset primarily because one of his main "inside sources" is gone.

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I was initially upset after reading this article, what Skins fan wouldn't be?

But upon reading these posts & thinking about it, I think a couple of things stand out:

1) Byner was well liked but was he too much of a 'players coach?' Portis seemed to develop his own rules, maybe Byner catered too much to him. They need to take a new approach w/Zorn at the helm. He's got to let players know that he's in charge, and Stump will help him. If anything leftover from Gibbs needed to go it was Portis' self-guided practice habits & game substitutions. Maybe Byner was a bigger part of that than we realize.

2) The Skins had an offer on the table but he didn't sign it initially. Then when he wanted to the offer wasn't there. This just sounds unfortunate to me. It is eerily similar to Monk's deal - no deal debacle when Norvelle came to town & replaced a living legend w/Henry Ellard (who was damn good) et al.

The real issue is, why did he have a shorter contract than the others? I'm sure they have their reasons. I hate the way this went down, but maybe it is just JLC giving a very personal opinion as some here have said. I respect JLC's work a lot, but he is personally affected by some of these decisions, so it's not unreasonable to say that he's being more subjective than usual.

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[quote=SmootSmack;422060]For weeks, we complain about the HC not being allowed to choose his assistants. He brings in a guy he really wants on his staff...and now we're complaining about that.

But I understand the inconsistencies.

Still, there are so many dynamics to it all. It's not as simple as "Byner got screwed."

And JLC is upset primarily because one of his main "inside sources" is gone.[/quote]

I think Zorn should have total control over his staff....everyone. The way the article was written made me believe the skins should have told him that he wasn't going to be resigned so he could have pursued other opportunities. That is if they didn't like him. Sounds like they didn't like him by their actions, but i don't know.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;422060]For weeks, we complain about the HC not being allowed to choose his assistants. He brings in a guy he really wants on his staff...and now we're complaining about that.

But I understand the inconsistencies.

Still, there are so many dynamics to it all. It's not as simple as "Byner got screwed."

And JLC is upset primarily because one of his main "inside sources" is gone.[/QUOTE]

You what I hate? I hate it when people use logic and reason in their arguments and then expect consistency from others.

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yeah joe. how dare these people:(

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[QUOTE=redsk1;422088]I think Zorn should have total control over his staff....everyone. The way the article was written made me believe the skins should have told him that he wasn't going to be resigned so he could have pursued other opportunities. That is if they didn't like him. Sounds like they didn't like him by their actions, but i don't know.[/QUOTE]

Or because of his actions

But that's besides the point (and I don't think it's a matter of not liking each other). Thing is he did pursue other opportunities. Redskins offered him a one-year deal (yes, less than the other coaches) but an offer nonetheless. He said thanks, but let me see what else is out there. Now what if he had gone and signed with Tampa (mixed reports by the way on whether it was his call or Tampa's not to sign as the Bucs' RB coach. I don't know who they ended up signing but I know they really wanted to give the job to Alstott)? Would we be saying "Byner screwed us. We offered him a deal and now he's gone and signed with Tampa and f'd up our continuity"? Would we be saying "Byner could have been working with Zorn who was the offensive coordinator anyway, but instead he's out shopping his services"?

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Yeah it's sad to see him go, but if Mitchell doesn't have to learn the system as well as teach it that should be a benefit to our RB unit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;422100]Or because of his actions

But that's besides the point (and I don't think it's a matter of not liking each other). Thing is he did pursue other opportunities. Redskins offered him a one-year deal (yes, less than the other coaches) but an offer nonetheless. He said thanks, but let me see what else is out there. Now what if he had gone and signed with Tampa (mixed reports by the way on whether it was his call or Tampa's not to sign as the Bucs' RB coach. I don't know who they ended up signing but I know they really wanted to give the job to Alstott)? Would we be saying "Byner screwed us. We offered him a deal and now he's gone and signed with Tampa and f'd up our continuity"? Would we be saying "Byner could have been working with Zorn who was the offensive coordinator anyway, but instead he's out shopping his services"?[/quote]
To me it sounds like we made him the offer. He wanted to see what he could do in Tampa. He came back we now have Zorn and Zorn wanted his guy so we pulled the offer.

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[quote=firstdown;422111]To me it sounds like we made him the offer. He wanted to see what he could do in Tampa. He came back we now have Zorn and Zorn wanted his guy so we pulled the offer.[/quote]

I guess I was thinking that Byner went in to sign the 1 year offer and then the skins pulled it, saying he has to go thru a process. Maybe i misread JLC.