Brandon Lloyd
 

i dont recall any of you talking about this but if so then just delete or whatever.


What do you think about Lloyd being hooked up with a new coach and a new offensive scheme? do you guys think he will have any value as far as our team?? It seems to be a good story that nobody is talking or writing about that i know of. Will he thrive in a hybrid west coast offense that zorn will be running? did he and gibbs just really not get along? Would the new coach want to start over with lloyd? will they get along? i personally hate the SOB and hope to see him fail everything in his life but the "what if " factor has taken over. And it sucks to think about how we paid for him to get pretty much nothing out of him. So do you guys think we try to see what he can do with a new HC and a new OC with a whole new scheme?

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I think he's gone. Plain and simple. It's not a bad thread, but the Redskins have been waiting to release this guy for a while so I'd count on Lloyd being gone.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

right now with how disfuctional everything seems, he being here next year doesnt surprise me.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

he costs too much for too little production. He is gone. Cap casualty

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I seriously believe no matter which regime we have in Washington, Brandon Lloyd is probably toast. There is that outside chance that he could shine in the West Coast Offense, but if that's the case he wouldn't have left San Fran (I assume they still run the WCO?)

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

is he actually that expensive to keep? By cutting him, we'd have to pay out the rest of his signing bonus this year right? while I too am sick of him, perhaps a new head coach, system, coordinator, etc may be able to find some use...

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

See if he can function in the new system is my take.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I was going to say the same thing, hes way too expensive to cut so I think he gets a second chance with the new regime. He has a chance to get in good with a brand new coach. I not only expect him to be here next season I expect production. I want at least 700 yards and 8 TDs but we'll have to wait and see.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=Counter-Tre;419013]See if he can function in the new system is my take.[/quote]

Problem is that the 'system' was not B. Lloyd's problem. It's his attitude, his work ethic, and his relationship with pretty much every member of the team. Later.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=Warpath;419014]I was going to say the same thing, hes way too expensive to cut so I think he gets a second chance with the new regime. He has a chance to get in good with a brand new coach. I not only expect him to be here next season I expect production. I want at least 700 yards and 8 TDs but we'll have to wait and see.[/quote]

And I want my student loans paid off. The chances of that happening in the next year is much greater than B. Lloyd catching 8 tds next year ... or the rest of his career frankly.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

God dont let him stay a skin.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

He's gone. Hope the door doesn't hit him in the mangina on the way out.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;419011]is he actually that expensive to keep? By cutting him, we'd have to pay out the rest of his signing bonus this year right? while I too am sick of him, perhaps a new head coach, system, coordinator, etc may be able to find some use...[/quote]


Llyod is due a roater bonus March 1 of this year in the amount of $1.8 million. I don't see Synder & Co. keeping him on the roster to give him that bonus. My bet is the Skins cut him so he doesn't get that bonus and than designate him a June 1 Cap cut so the cap hit gets spread out over the next 2 years. As Schneed and Crazy Canuck and other capologists on ths site have pointed out, the SKins can easily cut Llyod as far as the cap goes.
My take is Llyod has very little production over the 2 years he has been here. I know that some of his supporters say that he just never got a chance, but I call that BS. Outside of QB whom Gibbs shows a lot of patience with (keeping Brunell as the starter even though he was injured for too long) I think Gibbs puts in the players that perform well, practice with 100% effort and show a willingness to do whatever it takes to win. Gibbs does not seem the type to hold grudges against anyone and purposefully hold back a talented player. From the reports I read of Llyod and how he was here and in SF, he has shown what he is capable of - which is not much.
Instead of prolonging a failing experiment, the Skins should just go with Moss, Randle El and I bet they can find a tall, poession reciever (Mix may be the answer) and let some other team find out what the 49ers and Burgundy and Gold have found out - Brandon Llyod is all hype and no game.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Lloyd and Gregg Williams share the same odds of being Redskins at the start of next season.

By the way, I believe that Lloyd is a Cerrato move coming from his 49er roots. That worked out like a lead balloon.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Some people just won't give up on this guy.

Amazing.

:doh:

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;419074]By the way, I believe that Lloyd is a Cerrato move coming from his 49er roots. That worked out like a lead balloon.[/quote]
This was actually an Al Saunders move. So IMO the front office gets a pass on Lloyd, they just brought in what the new "offensive guru" requested.

[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/node/150111"]NFL Preview: Al Saunders on the attack for Redskins | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL]

"The free agents had to be able to get deep, to draw enough attention from linebackers, corners and safeties to give mercurial Santana Moss more man-to-man coverage or make room for Cooley's new, deeper pass routes. Once the defense is spread, Portis' chances of gashing them with breakaway runs would increase dramatically.
The two players Saunders thought offered the best chance to make that happen: San Francisco's Brandon Lloyd and Pittsburgh's Antwaan Randle El. In mid-March, Washington traded for Lloyd and signed Randle El.
"He pushed hard for them," said Bob Saunders, Al's son and a Redskins assistant. "Everyone knows what Brandon can do on the football field, his speed, the acrobatic catches. With Randle El, it's what he can do in the slot, the double moves, his cutting ability. Getting them really expanded the offense."

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=Bill B;419049]Llyod is due a roater bonus March 1 of this year in the amount of $1.8 million. I don't see Synder & Co. keeping him on the roster to give him that bonus. [B]My bet is the Skins cut him so he doesn't get that bonus and than designate him a June 1 Cap cut so the cap hit gets spread out over the next 2 years.[/B] As Schneed and Crazy Canuck and other capologists on ths site have pointed out, the SKins can easily cut Llyod as far as the cap goes.[/quote]My limited understanding of the cap is that if we cut him before the roster bonus is due, we cannot designate him as a June 1st cap cut. I'm pretty sure that [I]signing bonuses[/I] can only be prorated over 5 seasons. That being the case and assuming Lloyd is cut before this March roster bonus, $6M will accelerate against our 2008 cap, and Lloyd will be off the books by 2009.

The previous post regarding Al Saunders pitching to get Lloyd may be another factor in the Danny's urgency to replace Saunders with Zorn.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

New OC, new HC = a new start for BL. My take on this is last year the staff gave up on the guy after that INT in the first game of the year. After that he just didn't get enough passes thrown his way. You can't produce if they don't throw you the ball. I say bring him back and let him compete. It's not like we're loaded at WR. I mean wr is a weak spot on the team IMO. The FO should bring in as many wr's as possible and let everybody compete for their jobs.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;419020]Problem is that the 'system' was not B. Lloyd's problem. It's his attitude, his work ethic, and his relationship with pretty much every member of the team. Later.[/quote]
If I remember correctly the players cheered for him last year when he finally caught a ball. I'm not so sure that he is hated so much by the players.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;419163]Some people just won't give up on this guy.

Amazing.

:doh:[/QUOTE]

some people just dont read the whole post:doh:

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Oh I read it. I'm just commenting in general that some people won't give up on him no matter what.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

He is greatly disliked amongst his teammates. I seriously doubt they'll keep him around after he has sat around and stolen pay checks for some years now AND everyone hates him.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=firstdown;419246]If I remember correctly the players cheered for him last year when he finally caught a ball. I'm not so sure that he is hated so much by the players.[/QUOTE]

He is. I have heard it straight from the mouth of more than 3 players. He has NONE, ZERO, ZILCH support amongst players. Them cheering for him was more of a sarcastic gesture after they did everything in the world to help build up his confidence and get him involved and he went and crapped all ove them.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;419400]Oh I read it. I'm just commenting in general that some people won't give up on him no matter what.[/QUOTE]

cool, just stating i never wanted the douche and still dont, yet i thought it would be a good subject to talk about given the circumstances in the front office and his high cap number

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;419074]That worked out like a lead balloon.[/quote]

Actually the Mythbusters made a lead balloon work just fine.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I think I've made my views of Brandon Lloyd [URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/16193-lack-of-receiver-production.html?highlight=Brandon+Lloyd#post256002"]known[/URL] for quite some time. I thought he was a jackass then, I think he is one now, and I think he will probably always be one.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=ChuckPrez;419413]Actually the Mythbusters made a lead balloon work just fine.[/QUOTE]

And we all know that everything on Mythbusters is scientifically accurate.

I mean how could two guys with backgrounds in Hollywood special effects and model building possibly NOT be scientifically accurate? We all know that Hollywood special effects follow a strict scientific approach.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

The funny thing about Lloyd is he was a pretty economical WR in SF. His 2004 salary was $306,000 and he caught 6 TDs for a average price of $51,100 a TD. ([url]http://biz.stats.com/images/WSJ_091505.pdf[/url]). That made him the 6th most valuable player in terms of $ per TD that year. Fast forward to 2007, his salary (base) is $595,000 for a grand total of 0 TDs. I'm no math genius but I think that is a significant decrease in value. I kind of wish the guy was salvageable (as in he's "see the light", straighten up, and work out hard) but I have to believe he is cap casualty #1 and we'll see him trying to rap on some MTV spring break special. Or being one of the "Joes" on Joes v. Pros.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![INDENT][quote=BrunellMVP?;419011]is he actually that expensive to keep? By cutting him, we'd have to pay out the rest of his signing bonus this year right? while I too am sick of him, perhaps a new head coach, system, coordinator, etc may be able to find some use...[/quote]

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Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I honestly think that Lloyd was never given a chance here. He may have been a victim of the offense war between Gibbs and Saunders. Gibbs had the ultimate say of who got on the field ya know... Lloyd will be gone to STL. we have to make room to get Ocho Stinko

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;419528]I honestly think that Lloyd was never given a chance here. He may have been a victim of the offense war between Gibbs and Saunders. Gibbs had the ultimate say of who got on the field ya know... Lloyd will be gone to STL. we have to make room to get Ocho Stinko[/quote]

Never given a chance. He was given enough chances to find out he stinks. You know Niners fans were secretly laughing their asses off when they found out we took him cause they knew he was gonna do squat.

In fact, I think they were pretty glad to get rid of him.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I was siked when we got him. His hands and vertical leap are among the best in the NFL. He's just completely inept at separating defenders, which pretty much makes him worthless. 0% chance he stays.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I'd trade Lloyd for a lame horse, then I'd shoot the horse.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=SouperMeister;419180]My limited understanding of the cap is that if we cut him before the roster bonus is due, we cannot designate him as a June 1st cap cut. I'm pretty sure that [I]signing bonuses[/I] can only be prorated over 5 seasons. That being the case and assuming Lloyd is cut before this March roster bonus, $6M will accelerate against our 2008 cap, and Lloyd will be off the books by 2009.

The previous post regarding Al Saunders pitching to get Lloyd may be another factor in the Danny's urgency to replace Saunders with Zorn.[/quote]

Soupmeister - I think teams are allowed 2 roster exceptions regarding this issue:
[LIST=1][*]Prior to the start of the league year, teams may designate up to two (2) veteran players that they will cut after June 1 to spread out the signing bonus escalation (See 1.9b). In so designating them, the team allows these players to become free agents at the start of the free agency period -- although their cap liability remains with the original team just as it would have if the player had stayed on the roster until after June 1.[/LIST]This was from the link (see section 1.14 part 6) that Hijinx just posted....
[url=http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp]Ask The Commish.com - Salary Cap FAQ[/url]

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;419540]Never given a chance. He was given enough chances to find out he stinks. You know Niners fans were secretly laughing their asses off when they found out we took him cause they knew he was gonna do squat.

In fact, I think they were pretty glad to get rid of him.[/QUOTE]

dude look at his stats he was on a upward swing until he came here. he was their number 1 guy when he left.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;419636]dude look at his stats he was on a upward swing until he came here. he was their number 1 guy when he left.[/QUOTE]

They let him go for a reason, and we picked him up hoping he would turn his career around. We were wrong. I had him tabbed as a potentially VERY good WR, boy that egg STILL hasn't washed off my face! I'm not making that mistake again, get rid of him and let Mix have his job. It's not like Mix can do any worse. All Mix needs is 4 catches to DOUBLE Lloyd's production from 07!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=jsarno;419694]They let him go for a reason, and we picked him up hoping he would turn his career around. We were wrong. I had him tabbed as a potentially VERY good WR, boy that egg STILL hasn't washed off my face! I'm not making that mistake again, get rid of him and let Mix have his job. It's not like Mix can do any worse. [B]All Mix needs is 4 catches to DOUBLE Lloyd's production from 07![/B][/quote]


And don't forget if one of those 4 catches is a touchdown that will be more TD's than Llyod caught in his tenure as a Skin!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;419636]dude look at his stats he was on a upward swing until he came here. he was their number 1 guy when he left.[/quote]Upward...to like 48 receptions and 740 yards. That was his career year.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

you can't gleam a turd. he's gotta go.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Why oh why oh why are still talking about this guy?

LaVar, Patrick - I'd like to introduce you to the latest loser to enter the Pantheon "When we let it go?"