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What former Redskin should we be clamoring for to get in the Hall of Fame now?

Bobby Beathard? Gary Clark? Russ Grimm? Chris Hanburger? Someone else?

I'll post a poll in a couple of days once the Spags and Fassel poll has gotten some "airtime" on our home page. But for now, just share your thoughts here

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Personally I would get behind Grimm now. The Hogs were one of the most famous and successful offensive lines in NFL history, it's about time they started getting their due credit.

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In addition to your list I think Jacoby was a HOF player.

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[quote=SmootSmack;418166]What former Redskin should we be clamoring for to get in the Hall of Fame now?

Bobby Beathard? Gary Clark? Russ Grimm? Chris Hanburger? Someone else?

I'll post a poll in a couple of days once the Spags and Fassel poll has gotten some "airtime" on our home page. But for now, just share your thoughts here[/quote]

I don't think Gary Clark is a HOF wr. He's on the cusp but he's just not quite there. But it's close. Same with Grimm. Hanburger is a no. Beathard is an interesting chioce but how many GM's make it? Isn't it more for players and coaches? So I would say a no for him too. Plus he drafted Ryan Leaf so that's going to do him in. Joe Jacoby might be an interesting name. He started on 3 winning SB teams. He went from LT to LG w/out missing a beat. But the two Redskins who deserved it most got in.

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I don't think Jacoby will ever get in and, for that, I think we can blame LT - the highlight films of him dominating old Jake in one on one's will doom him. To be a HOF'er you have to beat the HOF'ers.

I think Grimm should get in for the Hogs and think that he has kept his presence up just enough to get him in. He would be my next choice followed by Hanburger (who has a snowball chance in hell of making it).

I think Beathard should make it to for all of his accomplishments - but Leaf may doom him.

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Charles Mann?

Dexter Manley?

Joe Theismann?

Larry Brown?

Brig Owens?

Dave Butz?

Mark Moseley?

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Grimm is the most realistic - he was the best of the hogs.

Moseley, that's a dude I haven't thought of in a while. He deserves some consideration, but will probably get the MOnk treatment as all his records have been broken too.

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He's still the only kicker to win the MVP award.

The Hall needs to start recognizing some kickers and punters.

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[quote=Buster;418186]Charles Mann?

Dexter Manley?

Joe Theismann?

Larry Brown?

Brig Owens?

Dave Butz?

Mark Moseley?[/quote]

Theismann???

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Yeah, his career was cut short, I know...just tossing names out.

Moseley SHOULD get in. A few of our defenders too, Mann, Manley, Butz maybe. Brig Owens had a GREAT career, 2nd in INTs for us all-time, 1st in INT yards, tons of fumble recoveries.

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Bobby Beathard, Jacoby, Clark and Grimm are my choices. Beathard has been part of 7 SB with KC,Mia,Wash and SD, George Young the old GM for the Baltimore Colts and Giants was up for election this year, so why not BB?

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Jacoby & Grimm are next. 3 Super Bowls, 4 consecutive Pro-Bowls 83-86, and they were definitely dominant in their era.

Maybe Moseley & Ray Guy could go in together in a class too.

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How about Dan Snyder?:oink::smashfrea:doh::silly::laughing2 ;)

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What about Brian Mitchell?

(I'm a bit surprised that no one has said Sean Taylor yet)

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[QUOTE=Buster;418214]How about Dan Snyder?:oink::smashfrea:doh::silly::laughing2 ;)[/QUOTE]

No, but how about "the Squirer", Jack Kent Cooke?

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[quote=Buster;418199]Yeah, his career was cut short, I know...just tossing names out.

Moseley SHOULD get in. A few of our defenders too, Mann, Manley, Butz maybe. Brig Owens had a GREAT career, 2nd in INTs for us all-time, 1st in INT yards, tons of fumble recoveries.[/quote]

Don't think his career was cut short, he was old when LT broke his leg, 35 if I'm correct.

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[quote=Mattyk72;418192]He's still the only kicker to win the MVP award.

The Hall needs to start recognizing some kickers and punters.[/quote]

agreed, also agree w/the Ray Guy post

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I remeMber reading a while ago that Jim Lachey was a border line HOFamer and I would cast my vote for him as well as Grimm, Jacoby and Bostic. In fact I would say Bostic before all of them because he was the captain of that O-Line!

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Brian Mitchell should be in.

The hall needs to start recognizing special team players.


A short time redskin would be Henry Ellard.

I think Monte Coleman was great for a long time but he never made a probowl...

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;418194]Theismann???[/QUOTE]

Super Bowl XVIII cost Joey T the HOF. That was an incredible team and that would have given him back to back titles. QB's can get in for winning even if they don't have typical HOF numbers...see Troy Aikman. I firmly believe he would have been a 1st ballot HOF if he had won that one game. No single player lost as much in that game.

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The hatred for Theismann is unparalleled so there's no way he gets consideration for the Hall.

I'm all for Gary Clark -- it was Peter King who said for years that the reason he wouldn't vote Art Monk in was because whenever the Giants played the Skins, the guy they were all worried about was Clark. I don't have time to look up his stats, but aren't they near Swann and Stallworth?

One or more of the Hogs have to get in. Grimm should be in soon, but it may be a bit longer for Jacoby. For some reason, there doesn't seem to be much of a push for Lachey, but there are others who made less of an impact than he did who are in, so why not?

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[quote=Mattyk72;418170]Personally I would get behind Grimm now. The Hogs were one of the most famous and successful offensive lines in NFL history, it's about time they started getting their due credit.[/quote]

Agreed..

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Why does no one ever say Jim Lachey (sp), was he not one of the best for a long time?

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[quote=celts32;418253]Super Bowl XVIII cost Joey T the HOF. That was an incredible team and that would have given him back to back titles. QB's can get in for winning even if they don't have typical HOF numbers...see Troy Aikman. I firmly believe he would have been a 1st ballot HOF if he had won that one game. No single player lost as much in that game.[/quote]

Well you bring up a good point about the two in a row. But I just don't think Theismann played at a real high level for a long enough period of time. He had a three year run from 82-84 where he played very well. 83 he won the MVP and that was his best year. Otherwise you're looking at an average NFL QB. His starting seasons from 77-81 were just plain old average to below average. And his 85 season was just plain old bad. I remember him being booed at RFK pretty bad in 85. HOF QB's in or around his era were Montana, Marinio, Moon and Fouts. All those guys IMO were better than Theismann. I might take Phil Simms over Theismann.

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[quote=celts32;418253]Super Bowl XVIII cost Joey T the HOF. That was an incredible team and that would have given him back to back titles. QB's can get in for winning even if they don't have typical HOF numbers...see Troy Aikman. I firmly believe he would have been a 1st ballot HOF if he had won that one game. No single player lost as much in that game.[/quote]

Agreed. Had we won, Joe T. most likely would be in the HOF.

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Injuries really hurt Lachey's career. When he was healthy though, to this day I think he was the best LT I ever saw. When he was on, nobody could beat him.

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[quote=Summo;418237]I remeMber reading a while ago that Jim Lachey was a border line HOFamer and I would cast my vote for him as well as Grimm, Jacoby and Bostic. In fact I would say Bostic before all of them because he was the captain of that O-Line![/quote]

Bostic was a starter on all 4 SB teams. But I just don't think he was a great player.

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Bostic was a scrapper and an overachiever. Probably not Hall material.

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[QUOTE=celts32;418253] No single player lost as much in that game.[/QUOTE]

And his wife! All this over a piece of tail (Cathy Lee Crosby)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;418292]And his wife! All this over a piece of tail (Cathy Lee Crosby)[/quote]

I remember after all that crap went down at the SB Joe's wife went on the cover of Washingtonian Magazine. I believe her name is Shari. Very nice looking blonde. She just aired all their dirty laundry right in the magazine. It must have been very embarassing for Joe. Anyone remember that?? But I'll say this about Joe T. He can pull some nice ass. His current wife looks real nice. And his daughter looks good too.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;418295]But I'll say this about Joe T. He can pull some nice ass. His current wife looks real nice. And his daughter looks good too.[/QUOTE]

Pictures!!

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Then:

[IMG]http://www.washingtonian.com/block_dbimages/9306/Cover%201984.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.washingtonian.com/block_dbimages/9308/Cover%201987.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.washingtonian.com/block_dbimages/9305/Cover%201978.jpg[/IMG]

Current:

[IMG]http://www.nndb.com/people/624/000024552/cathy-lee-crosby-sized.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://smithfampics.com/images/SAPP.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=Buster;418186]Charles Mann?

Dexter Manley?

Joe Theismann?

Larry Brown?

Brig Owens?

Dave Butz?

Mark Moseley?[/QUOTE]


Why has Dave Butz never been thought of as a HOF?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;418279]Well you bring up a good point about the two in a row. But I just don't think Theismann played at a real high level for a long enough period of time. He had a three year run from 82-84 where he played very well. 83 he won the MVP and that was his best year. Otherwise you're looking at an average NFL QB. His starting seasons from 77-81 were just plain old average to below average. And his 85 season was just plain old bad. I remember him being booed at RFK pretty bad in 85. HOF QB's in or around his era were Montana, Marinio, Moon and Fouts. All those guys IMO were better than Theismann. I might take Phil Simms over Theismann.[/QUOTE]

He did have some average seasons but if you can put yourself back in that moment in 1983 he was considered the best QB in football at that time and that was the most prolific offfense ever. The HOF voteres are very into winning and where you rank among your peers individually and Joe T was at the top of the league for those years. As for Simms I believe he would be in also if he had won that 1990 SB instead of Hostetler.

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Our next HOFer has to be a Hog - either Grimm or Jacoby. Frankly, I'm surprised that Grimm gets so much more attention than Jacoby since Grimm didn't have as long a period of excellence due to injuries. I'm pretty sure that of our Super Bowl wins, Grimm only started in the first, while Jacoby started in all three.

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I think Russ has the momentum to go next. I think once he is in it will be a while before another Hog makes it in. The voters might see him as representing all the Hogs.

Skinsfan69 said that Chris Hanberger is a no. How can nine Pro Bowls in a thirteen year career be a solid no?

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LAVAR!!!! Arrington

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The Case for Gary Clark VS Lynn Swann

LS: 4 SB
GC: 2 SB

LS: 336 rec 5400 yards 16.3 Avg 51 TD's 8 years in the nfl
GC 699 rec 10800 yards 15.5 Avg 65 TD's 11 years

LS: 1 season w/ over 60 catches (61 catches was his highest)
GC: 7 seasons w/ over 60 catches, one w/ 59 catches

LS: 3 Probowls
GC: 4 Probowls

Could someone tell me why Gary Clark doesn't get a look for the HOF?

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GC VS John Stallworth

JS: 4 sb's
JS: 537 rec 8700 yards 16.2 avg 63 TDS in 14 years in the nfl
JS: 4 Probowls

So, Gary Clark puts up better #'s in 4 less years than Stallworth.

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Thanks Buster, that was great!! The picture in the front cover of his ex-wife tearing the picture of his cover picture, should have been replaced with one of her burning his jock!!