After Mooch interview, John Clayton still predicts Fassel
 

Skins, Mariucci meet: The Redskins have talked to NFL Network analyst Steve Mariucci about their head coaching job, but don't expect him to get the offer. Everything seems to be the same. Jim Fassel is the leading candidate and should get the job next week.
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As stated, I'm cool with either one, just passing along info for everyone to discuss.

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Does this make any sense?

What does Fassel bring to the table for the Redskins?

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[quote=redskinz79;416247]Does this make any sense?

What does Fassel bring to the table for the Redskins?[/quote]
I dont get it either. It doesnt make sense. By the way do you really live in Korea, because I have wanted to travel there for some time.

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If Fassel gets the job I'll spend all day booing the Washington Redskins.

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[quote=Luxorreb;416264]If Fassel gets the job I'll spend all day booing the Washington Redskins.[/quote]
Same here, Im gonna become a Browns fan!

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[quote=Campbell17;416267]Same here, Im gonna become a Browns fan![/quote]

I'll root for the Raiders!!! Actually I won't mind Fassal but I really want Mooch to lead the Redskins.

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Really people!?!?!?!

What does Fassel bring to the table?
Being a teflon don? Just no other reason.

Is there?

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That does it. I'm going to start a thread on who people are going to root for if the Redskins hire Mooch. Right after I make a bring back Ramsey thread.

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Ok back when all this started....or rather when GW and AS were let go the names on the list were Fossil, Spag, Meeks, and Cowher. Maybe I missed a name, but I kept looking at the list of names and asking myself what does each bring to the table. I like Cowher alot but he does not want to come back so that leaves him out. Next:

I thought about Meeks....who is a Defensive coach....would he have the same phylosophy as Blache? do they run the same type of defense because if not then your going to get friction. Next:

Then I thought Spag....well ....not a bad choice but isn't this his first yr at being a OC? Then your going to make him a HC? Next:

Where am I...Oh yea Fossil....out of all those I like this idea best. Someone who has been around awhile and who is older then his players. He may have very good leadership qualities. I voted him. My question kept coming up though "if he is an Offensive coach does he understand the WC and has he run it before? I would hate to have a HC that has not been in the WC before and has no clue. The mill $ question is...is Fossil a WC coach? because if not then all he is..is a figure head. Someone to lead the team but not call plays. He will be a glorified motivational speaker. Because the OC and DC has already been picked this pick seems to be the best choice. Next:

Then the Mooch is named. I'm not fond of either Mooch or Fossil but you have to admit that Mooch fits better. He would get a good pay day. lol. He's more personable. He knows the WC offense and has been a coach in it for yrs. Since the defense is going to essentially remain the same and the offense is going to take the big makeover then it would be wise to get an offensive WC type coach to help teach the WC style offense to the players. Plus we would have two very great coach's to teach JC...Zorn taught Hasselhoff and Mooch taught Flavor Flave.

It all seems to fit with Mooch. Fossil does not seem to fit other then to revive his career and hope the team does well so he looks good in the future. If he tanks he can't say he didn't try. Now theres word that Fossil is the MAN. The only reason I can see Fossil being the man is because he's crying foul and Danny knows that he does not hire Fossil this time he has burned his bridge for any future thought of him being the HC of the Skins. Where as if he hires Fossil and he is a dud he can always go after Mooch or Cowher or overhaul again with Meeks or Spag. In other words you can't give a coach two interviews for the same job years apart and turn him down both times and have him say "Hey if you ever need me I'm your man, Danny Boy." This being said Fossil will be the man even though I don't like it. I hope People continue supporting the team but maybe show are dislike toward Fossil by constantly booing him on game day. Perhaps hurt DS in the pocket book by not purchasing new Skins gear. Maybe....Maybe for one game possibly the first seasonal game no one watch it on tv. Low ratings would send a message. Something the reporters could speak about.

Can Fossil lead us to a SB. who knows. but I sure as hell can't find anywhere on the net where it says he is a WC type HC. Nothing to make me go oh....he will be great for the job he know the WC. Oh he also learned under Walch in SF so he can add some credibility to the offense. Unless I'm wrong and someone can find somewhere on the net where Fossil is a WC type coach then I have to lean considerably towards Mooch and if Fossil is hired then wonder why?

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[quote]Then I thought Spag....well ....not a bad choice but isn't this his first yr at being a OC? Then your going to make him a HC? Next:[/quote]

Spag is their D coordinator.

While I think I'd slightly prefer Mooch, Fossil won't be that terrible. I'm not sold that Mooch is totally out of the picture (just like I thought GW was still the head man the day he was fired...). NFL radio said that sources around the league said Mooch was talking to his ex-assistants around the league and asking what they were doing now and if they'd be interested in rejoining him.

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my bad your right Spag is a DC. but it goes right back to ...is his D similar or a whole lot different then Blache's? I could see friction about mid season if the D is struggling. Atleast if you pick Mooch both Zorn and Mooch would have for the most part the same ideas. If Fossil gets picked what happens when the O is struggling. Will Fossil try to incorporate his offensive ideas? Though it might be for the better of the team I could see friction with Zorn if their ideas are not similar.

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Steve Mariucci is really the only hope that Dan Snyder has of salvaging this disastrous tearing up of the coaching structure. Mariucci has the ability to inspire the team and the fans, and Jim Fassel has not to my eyes shown himself to be inspirational, whatever qualities that he does have.

After all of this chaos, to announce that Jim Fassel is the new head coach - whose reputation is going to sink next year when we can't suddenly turn into the Bill Walsh 49ers with the "West Coast Offense?" Are fans going to be patient? Will the players lose respect for the organization? Dan Snyder is really risking a terrible rupture between the fans and his administration of the team.

If Dan Snyder at least hires Steve Mariucci, there will be someone there who can keep the train on the track, keep hope for a bright future for the team alive, and keep everyone's minds to a larger degree off the mismanagement of the team by the owner.

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Couldn't agree more Oakland Red. Mooch is the only choice in my opinion. But I must remind ya that Gregg Williams was the ONLY REAL choice in my opinion. There is now talk about the new hires making everyone accountable... Well why wasn't that done in the first place?

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[quote=Oakland Red;416293][B]Steve Mariucci is really the only hope that Dan Snyder has of salvaging this disastrous tearing up of the coaching structure.[/B] Mariucci has the ability to inspire the team and the fans, and Jim Fassel has not to my eyes shown himself to be inspirational, whatever qualities that he does have.

After all of this [B]chaos[/B], to announce that Jim Fassel is the new head coach - whose reputation is going to sink next year when we can't suddenly turn into the Bill Walsh 49ers with the "West Coast Offense?" Are fans going to be patient? Will the players lose respect for the organization? Dan Snyder is really risking a terrible rupture between the fans and his administration of the team.

If Dan Snyder at least hires Steve Mariucci, there will be someone there who can keep the train on the track, keep hope for a bright future for the team alive, and keep everyone's minds to a larger degree off the mismanagement of the team by the owner.[/quote]


So now Mariucci is our only hope? Please....what has he done as a head coach to warrant a comment like that?

I'm curious, what did you expect to happen when Gibbs resigned? Did you think nothing would change? A coordinator would step right in and keep the status quo? I'm sorry but changes were inevitable, and I think Snyder is making the best of a situation he wasn't prepared to face this offseason.

Chaos? I don't see chaos. I see a methodical approach to do what's best for the team, and I believe they'll be even better next year.

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i get the feeling that mooch is only being named to soothe us and that Fassel will be the choice also. I HATE THIS.

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I think Fassel is just as conservative as Joe Gibbs!!!! GEEZ! I hate this!

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Fassel will take to the show.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;416306]So now Mariucci is our only hope? Please....what has he done as a head coach to warrant a comment like that?

I'm curious, what did you expect to happen when Gibbs resigned? Did you think nothing would change? A coordinator would step right in and keep the status quo? I'm sorry but changes were inevitable, and I think Snyder is making the best of a situation he wasn't prepared to face this offseason.

Chaos? I don't see chaos. I see a methodical approach to do what's best for the team, and I believe they'll be even better next year.[/quote]



Help us Steve Marriucci . . . You're our only hope! LOL

I agree that there was gonna be change, and at first I was impressed with Snyder's patience, but now I'm not so sure. I mean the man has thrown around offers to a couple of retreads, allowed the fans to influence his HC decision, and sabotaged and legitimate chance to hire anyone but Fassel because of the hiring of his coordinators. On top of that, there doesn't seem to be a clear plan in place in what they are looking for; looking at a DC coordinator who runs a 3-4. Now there are rumors leaking that Danny and Vinny are chomping at the bits for Chad Johnson, and have even brought it up in the interviews!!

I am becoming less optimistic about this by the minute. I'd like to give DS the benefit of the doubt, but Im not sure he has earned that. His past, and the lack of methodology to his approach, makes me feel incredibly apprehensive about the next coaching era.

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Why is Mooch better than Fassel? Answer, he's not

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[QUOTE=redskinz79;416247]Does this make any sense?

What does Fassel bring to the table for the Redskins?[/QUOTE]

Fassel is a coach desperate for a HC job in the NFL. What he brings to Snyderato is a coach that will bend to all their demands, which is what they are lookng for.
IMO Gregg Williams was removed from consideration because he did not agee with what Snyer wanted. He wanted to run his own ship. Which is what any good HC candiate would want. I still believe the main sticking points between Williams and Snyer was GM, William does not like Cerrato and who would be offensive coordinator.
We will see what ends up happening. Maybe Snyder will build a Superbowl contender. But as long as Snyder and Cerratto call all the shots, I say it is unlikely.

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I know this sounds crazy but do you think it is possible that Fassel would get the job for a year, after that he would be released so the Skins could pursue Cowher? I think it would be far easier to get rid of Fassel than Mooch. The majority of Skins fans are already ready for Fassel to be fired after next season.

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I am not so sure Cowher would wnat to be the Skins HC under these conditions. I am not so sure Cowher would want to be told who his coordinators are and not have a say in who is in the FO. Danny Boy made his bed with Cerrato...

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;416320]I know this sounds crazy but do you think it is possible that Fassel would get the job for a year, after that he would be released so the Skins could pursue Cowher? I think it would be far easier to get rid of Fassel than Mooch. The majority of Skins fans are already ready for Fassel to be fired after next season.[/quote]


Why would that be,the assumption Cowher would come here kills me.If the Carolina Job is open there is a 125% chance he'll go there.Lets not forget people are taking themselves 'off' the Skins list for reasons not told.

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As I said before IMO Fossil is already the coach. Snyder is stringing this along to let the fans chill out and accept the idea of Fossil as head coach...or at least take the edge off the anger. They keep interviewing to make it look like they are undecided. It's all a hoax...they found out fans like Mooch so they interview him to shut us up. That's all this is...

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[QUOTE=Giantone;416322]Why would that be,the assumption Cowher would come here kills me.If the Carolina Job is open there is a 125% chance he'll go there.Lets not forget people are taking themselves 'off' the Skins list for reasons not told.[/QUOTE]

First off I am not a big Cowher fan, but he was underpaid for most of his career in Pittsburgh. He is going where he can get money and control. Carolina would not outbid Snyder and snyder could offer him the same final say that Gibbs has and he would take the job. Time and time again we hear this person won't work with Snyder and it's proven wrong...Cowher's next job is all about the green. That's why he left Pitt...this stuff about a break is nonsense...sure he's taking a break but when he comes back he wants his payday.

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Who really cares. There's not much difference between Fassel and Mooch. It's almost comical that people are so against Fassel. I almost want to see him get it now just to piss people off.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;416313]Why is Mooch better than Fassel? Answer, he's not[/QUOTE]

Coming back from a large deficit in the playoffs (I think 2002) and beating the Giants seals the deal for me. I've seen them coach quite a bit living in SF and I'm sure [B]Oakland Red [/B]also has seen Mariucci coach. MOOCH, MOOCH!!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;416328]Coming back from a large deficit in the playoffs (I think 2002) and beating the Giants seals the deal for me. I've seen them coach quite a bit living in SF and I'm sure [B]Oakland Red [/B]also has seen Mariucci coach. MOOCH, MOOCH!!![/quote]


Wow one game,and lets not forget the NFL admit ref error at the end of the game.
Fassel knows what it takes to play in the NFC East divison,mooch did so well with the Lions???

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;416326]Who really cares. There's not much difference between Fassel and Mooch. It's almost comical that people are so against Fassel. I almost want to see him get it now just to piss people off.[/QUOTE]

I admit I was (and still am - for what it's worth) opposed to Fassel over GW.

But, as time passes and inevitability increases, I am not jumping on the Fassel hate train. The man has been to the Super Bowl. If/when he's named coach, I'll root for the Skins and hope they do well. Fassel will be okay. As for all the haters, let's hope you all have a huge "mea culpa" at the end of the season.

Sometimes I think the hate at Fassel is just fan reaction to Little Danny and the Evil Dwarf and bears no relation to Fassel's coaching abilities.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;416328]Coming back from a large deficit in the playoffs (I think 2002) and beating the Giants seals the deal for me. I've seen them coach quite a bit living in SF and I'm sure [B]Oakland Red [/B]also has seen Mariucci coach. MOOCH, MOOCH!!![/quote]


I have seen him coach, and I used to strongly dislike the 49ers, but when he became the coach, after awhile I saw a team that in spirit reminded me of Joe Gibbs' Redskins in some ways. And I found myself pulling for them when it didn't affect the Redskins.

Mariucci is a special coach.

I'm sure Jim Fassel is a fine man. We need someone with a special capacity for inspiration given the upheavel.

As far as what I would have expected, I would have expected we stay with the same offensive system, to allow the team to continue its definite progress with Al Saunders' approach, and I expected we would make a real run at the Super Bowl next season.

I expected that Gregg Williams would have a chance to coach the team and, with his strong and positive relationship with the players, take the team to the next level, building on the strong foundation that Joe Gibbs left.

I would not have expected that we tear up the offensive structure, going from a number based system (Coryell/Gibbs) to a word based system (Brown/Walsh) and expect the team to learn an entirely new football language, a team, further, whose players have not only been playing in the current general system for a long time, Saunders' version of it for two years, but whose talents would seem to best fit the current system.

I would not have expected the team be torn up right after the beautiful way that everyone came together to honor Sean Taylor, coming through the tragedy with a grace and grit that no team has ever shown in the face of such sadness. And Gregg Williams was a very big part of that.

Fortunately Rex Ryan was not available, or we would not have Greg Blache as defensive coordinator, who will give the team continuity with the system on defense.

Those are some of the things I expected.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;416331]I admit I was (and still am - for what it's worth) opposed to Fassel over GW.

But, as time passes and inevitability increases, I am not jumping on the Fassel hate train. The man has been to the Super Bowl. If/when he's named coach, I'll root for the Skins and hope they do well. Fassel will be okay. As for all the haters, let's hope you all have a huge "mea culpa" at the end of the season.

[B]Sometimes I think the hate at Fassel is just fan reaction to Little Danny and the Evil Dwarf and bears no relation to Fassel's coaching abilities.[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, you are exactly right. It si not a knock on Fassel, but anger toward this entire crazy process. I think most of the frustrated fans are upset that we fired two very qualified coaches that most people liked only to replace them with two lesser canidates. Saunders and Williams will get hired quickly. Fassel most likely will not be a HC unless Snyder hires him. That says alot.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;416326]Who really cares. There's not much difference between Fassel and Mooch. It's almost comical that people are so against Fassel. I almost want to see him get it now just to piss people off.[/QUOTE]


Perhaps much of the anti Fassel feeling is spanning the globe because so many were under the illusion that Williams was automatically going to get the position, and when it didn't happen, felt betrayed and dissapointed.

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[quote=Mattyk72;416326]Who really cares. There's not much difference between Fassel and Mooch. It's almost comical that people are so against Fassel. I almost want to see him get it now just to piss people off.[/quote]Fassel survived 7 years in a New York media market without snapping. He did so while coaching a steady diet of mediocre to poor talent into the playoffs a bunch of times. The SB appearance had more to do with getting to play the Eagles and the Vikings in the playoffs than actually having a great team, but the inconsistencies can be explained by the lack of great talent on that team.

The 2008 Redskins will likely be the most talented team Jim Fassel has ever coached, should he get the job.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;416326]Who really cares. There's not much difference between Fassel and Mooch. It's almost comical that people are so against Fassel. I almost want to see him get it now just to piss people off.[/QUOTE]

If there isnt much difference between them, then why would DS inteview both??? maybe its because they are vastly different and thats what you find out during inteviewing.... mark my words, on today Ground Hog Day 2008, FASSEL IS A DUD......

I do realize this is a win win, because if I am wrong the skins are doing well, although this does not mean I have to like F'n Fassel

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Granted, this is a bit off topic, but what about Grimm? Any reason the Skins haven't contacted him? They've contacted just about everyone else, why not him?

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[QUOTE=Coff;416342]Granted, this is a bit off topic, but what about Grimm? Any reason the Skins haven't contacted him? They've contacted just about everyone else, why not him?[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong, I love Grimm and would have loved him as a HC with the Skins. DS is looking for someone with HC experience, That why they will select either Fassel or Mooch.

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At this point I don't even care who coaches the damn team. It's getting old.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;416345]At this point I don't even care who coaches the damn team. It's getting old.[/QUOTE]


I concur, at this point I'll just be happy when this process is done with, a coach is selected [whomever that may be] and we can move on with the business of football. I'm going to support the selection unlike some who are going to jump off bridges, and root for the Cowboys.

What we continue to say here has been discussed at great length in the [Something To Chew On] thread started by Matty just a couple days ago.

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bram said something i hadnt thought of about the mooch . . he comes off as a guy who just wants to get paid and have important titles to his name, not someone who will put in a 100% effort . . . that being said, with the zorn hire we need a WC offense head coach i suppose and i havent followed mooch's coaching career close enough to make my own personal assesment of him

enoyed reading the different views people have on our current state of disarray.

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I think with either Mooch or Fassel, we'll be fine. I'm ready to welcome the new guy in and get things off to a new start.