First and goal on the one yard line, what would you do?
 

The play calling sequence on the goal line was very questionable. If I was offensive coordinator, this is what I would have done.

[B]First down:[/B] [I]Run a quarterback sneak before the defense has a chance to get set.[/I]

[B]Second down:[/B] [I]Run a play action pass with an option for the quarterback to roll out and run or hit Cooley in the flat.[/I]

[B]Third down:[/B] [I]Run the fullback dive. Mike Sellers is huge, he should be able to pick up a yard.[/I]

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I would have run something to the right side. It was pretty clear that the Giants knew we'd be pounding it to the left side, perhaps some sort of fake to the left with a pitchout to the right might have worked.

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2- with the option of having campbell run it in himself...

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;356585]The play calling sequence on the goal line was very questionable. If I was offensive coordinator, this is what I would have done.

[B]First down:[/B] [I]Run a quarterback sneak before the defense has a chance to get set.[/I]

[B]Second down:[/B] [I]Run a play action pass with an option for the quarterback to roll out and run or hit Cooley in the flat.[/I]

[B]Third down:[/B] [I]Run the fullback dive. Mike Sellers is huge, he should be able to pick up a yard.[/I][/quote]

I really wouldn't have minded if we gave Sellers two straight FB dives.

But then if that didn't work we would be hearing "Why did we give Sellers the ball instead of Portis/Betts?"

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QB sneak right after the randle el catch without a spike? there is no way they would have stopped it

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First down: Portis up the gut

2nd: Bootleg Campbell with a chance to run

3rd: sneak

4th: Portis again

(at any point, you can substitute Sellers for Portis)

NOTE: the obvious lack of Ladell Betts in the goalline gameplan

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I think the coaches need to realize that we have a QB who can do some things with his legs. Why not run something with bootleg action? Fake a run to one side, roll Campbell out to the other side with an option to pass if they take it away.

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First of all, don't spike the ball on 1st down, and second of all, don't rush that last play. I don't think that Campbell will make the same mistakes again. He'll get coached up and he's smart enough to learn. Remember he is still young and hasn't experienced a lot of different game situations yet. This will be something he can grow from.

That being said.

I like the Sellers out of the backfield on first down. If it's incomplete, it stops the clock, if he catches it he's likely in the endzone.

Second down: fake run Portis left and bootleg right...either run it in or hit the TE in the endzone.

Third down (if necessary): power run to the left, Portis behind Sellers.

Fourth down (if necessary): airmail Portis over the center.

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[quote=jdlea;356601]First down: Portis up the gut

2nd: Bootleg Campbell with a chance to run

3rd: sneak

4th: Portis again

(at any point, you can substitute Sellers for Portis)

NOTE: the obvious lack of Ladell Betts in the goalline gameplan[/quote]

1st Run Left with Portis,
2nd Naked Bootleg with Campbell
3rd Gut with Sellers
4th Gut with Sellers or Portis

We would have scored on 1st or 2nd

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I thought we were going to bootleg Campbell in. Apparently, the pass to Sellers had an option to Cooley in the corner of the end zone or for Campbell to run it in. I liked the play call, just not JC's pass to the back of Seller's knees.

So, Gibbs wants to keep Betts in for his turn in the rotation. Whatever :doh:But running him twice to the left? At least take a shot up the middle. :banghead:

I'm with everyone who said not to spike it on first down and try to rush it up the middle with a QB dive. The Giants were reeling after the huge play to ARE, they don't have enough time to setup liked they'd want, momentum's with us, etc. You just don't give them time to regroup. Even if you want to bring in the JUMBO package. A lot of push that got us, right?

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins;356585]The play calling sequence on the goal line was very questionable. If I was offensive coordinator, this is what I would have done.

[B]First down:[/B] [I]Run a quarterback sneak before the defense has a chance to get set.[/I]

[B]Second down:[/B] [I]Run a play action pass with an option for the quarterback to roll out and run or hit Cooley in the flat.[/I]

[B]Third down:[/B] [I]Run the fullback dive. Mike Sellers is huge, he should be able to pick up a yard.[/I][/QUOTE]

Campbell is not slow..... I may have called a QB end around. He should have been able to get into the end zone on his back side with one or two blocks.
Your Mike Sellers call is interesting. He is a big guy, but with the O-Line collapsing like it did...may not have mattered if it was King Freakin Kong.

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In the end though we can play the armchair coach game all we want, they just didn't get it done.

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Clock management pissed me off too. There was no need for Campbell's spike, nor was there a need to rush that 4th down play. We had plenty of time to get the play in, settle the guys down for a few seconds, and execute. Instead we hurried up to the line and rushed a play that we had to have to force OT. Gross.

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And to answer the question of this thread:
I formation, Sellers at FB, Portis at TB, run it straight up the gut behind Rabach and the Caveman. I would have done that on 1st and 2nd down at least.

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I wouldn't have spiked it on first down.

First down, I would have run Portis right up the gut. If I'm stopped I huddle up, come out in a similar formation, play action and boot right with Campbell, see if I can hit Moss in the corner of the endzone. 3rd and one I'd run again with whoever (Betts or Portis) to the left and see if I could get in behind my strength. Now If I'm stopped, I huddle again and come out power I one wide and run right between Kendall and Rabach on 4th down for the touchdown.

Outside of spiking on first, Gibbs did nothing wrong.

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[quote=GTripp0012;356631]I wouldn't have spiked it on first down.

First down, I would have run Portis right up the gut. If I'm stopped I huddle up, come out in a similar formation, play action and boot right with Campbell, see if I can hit Moss in the corner of the endzone. 3rd and one I'd run again with whoever (Betts or Portis) to the left and see if I could get in behind my strength. Now If I'm stopped, I huddle again and come out power I one wide and run right between Kendall and Rabach on 4th down for the touchdown.

Outside of spiking on first, Gibbs did nothing wrong.[/quote]

Are you kidding me? Those two calls to the left side when everyone knew we were running to the left side was simply terrible and predictable. You don't call the same play twice in a row on the goal line. Those were his calls and they sucked. That was pure 100% Gibbs thinking it was 1983 and we can just run over everybody.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;356641]Are you kidding me? Those two calls to the left side when everyone knew we were running to the left side was simply terrible and predictable. You don't call the same play twice in a row on the goal line. Those were his calls and they sucked. That was pure 100% Gibbs thinking it was 1983 and we can just run over everybody.[/QUOTE]

And if we had run right and been stuffed, everyone would have been complaining about our failure to run behind our best guys.

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Same play they missed with Sellers on but replace him with Cooley. Also, let Campbell roll out a little more and make a play with his legs.

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sneak right up the middle before the defense get set.

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from my buddy,and I agree "Quite frankly, I was very pleased with Jason Campbell. Not his fault how that went down. I thought he made plays when he needed to. The coaches, namely, Sr. Gibbs, blew that one. Absolutely no ability to manage the clock, first they waste two downs, then Campbell bails them out with the pass to Randle El. 1st and Goal from the 1. At this point, it has to be four straight runs up the middle, two with Clinton Portis, two with Jason Campbell, end of story. Clinton is the starting running back, I was disgusted with the drop and the fumble, but he's still gotta be in there. And it shouldn't have mattered, it should have been 4 straight sneaks up the middle with Jason Campbell. Rabach made two awful, awful plays, but still, QB sneak cannot take a loss if its done right, its nearly impossible, the center and the QB just exchange the ball and drive forward. You're given forward momentum, so there's no way, in 4 downs, 4 straight QB sneaks can't make it in the goaline. Just ridiculous.

Campbell is 6'4", 232 (thanks for the clarification). Even if its Saunders calling the plays, Gibbs has to take over at that point, and say, no spikes, we've got a minute to go, 1 yard, 4 straight runs, we have to make it. That's the deal. If you can't make that, you're done."

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;356652]from my buddy,and I agree "Quite frankly, I was very pleased with Jason Campbell. Not his fault how that went down. I thought he made plays when he needed to. The coaches, namely, Sr. Gibbs, blew that one. Absolutely no ability to manage the clock, first they waste two downs, then Campbell bails them out with the pass to Randle El. 1st and Goal from the 1. At this point, it has to be four straight runs up the middle, two with Clinton Portis, two with Jason Campbell, end of story. Clinton is the starting running back, I was disgusted with the drop and the fumble, but he's still gotta be in there. And it shouldn't have mattered, it should have been 4 straight sneaks up the middle with Jason Campbell. Rabach made two awful, awful plays, but still, QB sneak cannot take a loss if its done right, its nearly impossible, the center and the QB just exchange the ball and drive forward. You're given forward momentum, so there's no way, in 4 downs, 4 straight QB sneaks can't make it in the goaline. Just ridiculous.

Campbell is 6'5", 250. Even if its Saunders calling the plays, Gibbs has to take over at that point, and say, no spikes, we've got a minute to go, 1 yard, 4 straight runs, we have to make it. That's the deal. If you can't make that, you're done."[/quote]


It's funny how Campbell keeps growing and growing. I thought he was 6'4" 232??

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[quote=GMScud;356659]It's funny how Campbell keeps growing and growing. I thought he was 6'4" 232??[/quote]

yea, don't know the his stats...didn't call him out on them though...his point remains- JC is a big guy and he could have jammed it home with 4 tries...

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The left tackle run was too predictable, considering our damaged right side. I was looking for Betts to go flying over center on that 4th down play.

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Tell me if I'm crazy, but if Betts did not trip over Sellers on that very last play there was a pretty big hole there and it was basically a race to the pylon and I think Betts wins. Penetration killed that play, bottom line (I once had a high school coach who would say, "playing defense is like sex, once you get penetration its over," kind of a weird guy really, but that line has stayed with me). Betts looked really quick and desive in his cut on that run on 3rd down and the LB just filled the hole too quickly. On the run on 4th down I he scores if he doesn't trip over Sellers. I think the second and third guessing is fun and all, but the Skins were a lot closer to putting the ball in the end zone on that last play than many are giving them credit for. Check it out again and tell me that I'm nuts, but I think those were good calls on the goal line, though they (and this is Jason's fault, but he is young and will learn from it) rushed that last play. The biggest failure in the second half was the defense collapsing (and if you will remember, Burress really saved them in the first half with all his drops, so the Giants were hitting plays pretty much all day, Shockey and Burress just actually caught the ball in the 2nd half).

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;356683]I think the second and third guessing is fun and all, but the Skins were a lot closer to putting the ball in the end zone on that last play than many are giving them credit for.[/quote]

Yep, about as close as one yard.

I still say Portis gets in...Sellers even.

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[quote=Mattyk72;356620]In the end though we can play the armchair coach game all we want, they just didn't get it done.[/quote]

Ugh, it's not going to be fun playing armchair coach the rest of the season. Unless something changes, we're going to keep having these close games, and it's going to bite us more often than not.

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set up a formation to run a naked bootleg to the other side from where the giants overloaded the left side. the right side was wide open....touchdown but it didn,t happen all that time that they had and they panicked again ,oh well..i was screaming to run a naked bootleg from the start.. or have a tight end sneak out from the formation and hit him in the endzone....

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The first mistake was spiking the ball at the one - NY was reeling after the big pass to ARE. I would have tried a QB sneak on first down, on a quick count. If Campbell gained at least a half yard, I'd do it on 2nd and 3rd down too. I would have Sellers pushing the pile from behind each time. Not very creative, but I'd like to think that a 6'4" 230 lb QB can advance the ball one yard given three shots.

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Sellers Running With Defensive Lineman As His Lead Blocker
2 Times

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1st: portis middle
2nd: sneak
3rd: bootleg
4th: portis up the gut

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[quote=skinsfan69;356641]Are you kidding me? Those two calls to the left side when everyone knew we were running to the left side was simply terrible and predictable. You don't call the same play twice in a row on the goal line. Those were his calls and they sucked. That was pure 100% Gibbs thinking it was 1983 and we can just run over everybody.[/quote]So? Block 'em.

We can't just run over anybody on every play guarenteed. But if you can't expect to get one yard on two tries from the one, what does that say about your line?

It doesn't matter where you run. They can't afford to key on any one gap. If you run outside, you have to hold the line longer, but you also give your back a chance to walk in untouched if you are successful.

And we weren't. Quit complaning about the coaches making a call that gave us a great chance to win. Things don't always work out.

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Well in all honesty if Betts got in I believe everybody would be saying it was a good call but on the other hand think Jason rushed the last play & a QB sneak would have been better Campbell is 6'4 or 6'5 230 he could have streched for that yard. Bottom line we lost and we hope our team learned from that tough lose.

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[quote=brent;356676]The left tackle run was too predictable, considering our damaged right side. I was looking for Betts to go flying over center on that 4th down play.[/quote]A run up the gut? How is that less predictable than anything?

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Goal line situations aren't the time to get tricky, you have to be able to line up and blow people off the ball to get that one yard. We couldn't punch it in down there so we didn't deserve to win.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;356754]Goal line situations aren't the time to get tricky, you have to be able to line up and blow people off the ball to get that one yard. We couldn't punch it in down there so we didn't deserve to win.[/QUOTE]

Shows what you know. Clearly, what this team is lacking is a statue of liberty, double reverse, hook 'n ladder, option pass from the one. Damn that conservative run the ball approach!

No one ever wins with a predictable playcall. You never go to your strength, always go for the surprise.

<<He's going to go all the way, unless Blackwood can catch him...>>

I would have done exactly what the Redskins did except with different players. Portis for Betts mainly. And the route that Sellers ran, I'd have run a route where he's already in the endzone when the ball is thrown. Not where he has to catch it and run in

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[quote=Mattyk72;356754]Goal line situations aren't the time to get tricky, you have to be able to line up and blow people off the ball to get that one yard. We couldn't punch it in down there so we didn't deserve to win.[/quote]

Agreed. You have to know deep down in your gut what type of team you are.

Last I checked, we're a run the ball, pound it 35 or 40 times a game type of team. We have guys like big Mike Sellers just waiting to put a crater in somebody's chest with his helmet.

I can live with pounding it from the 1 and not making it. We went with our bread and butter. The Giants just got off the ball, what can you do.

Seems like they could have been anticipating the snap count a little. But as far as the playcall, I can't fault that move.

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[quote=Schneed10;356766]Agreed. You have to know deep down in your gut what type of team you are.

Last I checked, we're a run the ball, pound it 35 or 40 times a game type of team. We have guys like big Mike Sellers just waiting to put a crater in somebody's chest with his helmet.

I can live with pounding it from the 1 and not making it. We went with our bread and butter. The Giants just got off the ball, what can you do.

Seems like they could have been anticipating the snap count a little. But as far as the playcall, I can't fault that move.[/quote]

We don't have the offensive line to run the ball 40 times a game..plain and simple. But we do have a big mobile QB....Thank GOD

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[quote=SmootSmack;356760]Shows what you know. Clearly, what this team is lacking is a statue of liberty, double reverse, hook 'n ladder, option pass from the one. Damn that conservative run the ball approach!

No one ever wins with a predictable playcall. You never go to your strength, always go for the surprise.

<<He's going to go all the way, unless Blackwood can catch him...>>

I would have done exactly what the Redskins did except with different players. Portis for Betts mainly. And the route that Sellers ran, I'd have run a route where he's already in the endzone when the ball is thrown. Not where he has to catch it and run in[/quote]

We are making this more complicated than it needs to be.

1st down. Instead of spiking the ball line up in shotgun and either throw it in the end zone for a td or it's incomplete. That way if we don't make it in on 1st down we can re group on 2nd down and get CP in the game. Or bring in Lloyd on 2nd down since he can jump so high. Throw him a lob pass or a slant. Either way you don't spike it with a minute left.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;356641]Are you kidding me? Those two calls to the left side when everyone knew we were running to the left side was simply terrible and predictable. You don't call the same play twice in a row on the goal line. Those were his calls and they sucked. That was pure 100% Gibbs thinking it was 1983 and we can just run over everybody.[/QUOTE]

I have said it before and I will say it again, in the 80's and early 90's Gibbs could do what ever he wanted on offense and it worked because his entire tenure he probably had the best O-line in football, so even a bad call looked good because our line would jam a square peg threw a round hole. Now he doesn't have the luxury of pushing defenses around.

You are 100% correct Gibbs is still calling plays like the 80's and hasn't realized it isn't working, and that's scary. Gibbs just doesn't have the ability to change and progress.

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Well we all thought now that Campbell is in and Brunell is out we can open up the offense? LOL, As usual Gibbs couldn't resist trying to run the clock out with a lead starting the 3rd quarter.

It was almost as if the Giants knew Gibbs wouldn't try anything down field, they overloaded the defensive front with no regard for the down field passing game, every play there were 8 giants running to the ball at the LOS, putting all of the burden as usual on the defense to stay on the field the entire second half and hold off the opposition, we have watched the same exact philosophy since Gibbs's return regardless of who's calling the plays, Gibbs is ultimately in charge of the offense, Saunders is known for his relentless attack down field, but all of a sudden now that he's with us he's had a change of heart? Only when we become desperate and are forced to will we take chances down field, when I say chances I mean Gibbs is horrified of possible turnovers, as if the world would end tomorrow if we had an INT taking a shot down field, funny how things opened right back up as soon as Campbell was put into do or die mode, the Giants were not in a prevent at the end it was us moving the ball like we should have all game.

The last 4 plays pretty much sum up Gibbs and his ridiculous, convoluted, irrational thought process, with 51 seconds and the ball at the 1 yard line we spike the ball, utter stupidity, Gibbs reacts to any pressure situation when the clock is an issue like a deer in headlights, someone tell me why we don't have a specific play already set for situations just like that where you have a set play, you know like when there is a bad snap on a field goal every one knows what to do, hey how bout a QB sneak? A little risque for Gibbs possibly, no we spike it and burn a down, reason? So we can have 25 seconds on the clock to run our final play, as usual Gibbs has no concept of clock management. Gibbs explanation you ask? We wanted to get his heavy jumbo package on the field, sounds like a great reason to just piss 1 down away but OK, then he proceeds to throw to a player he should have handed the ball to, he wants heavy jumbo and then throws it?????????? OK, but lets not give up on the jumbo just yet, now I don't think it would have made a difference with either Portis or Betts running the ball there neither one of them would run over a linebacker let alone a DL, but I know someone who would yes you guessed it Mike Sellars, for the record has anyone every seen this guy stopped at the line of scrimmage let alone fail us on 3rd or 4th and less than a yard, because if he did I can't remember, he was just plowing through everyone on short yardage last week, I am sure Gibbs must have film some where of him not going forward, OK we decide to run Betts up the middle it fails, but it happens, then with the entire Giants defense on the LOS we run off tackle forcing Betts to run 3 times the distance to the goal line against the entire Giants defense just waiting for the run, 1 hand off to Sellars and it's a tie game end of story.

But I wouldn't get to worked up, you see if we had tied the game we were going to be treated to the same old scared to run a play Gibbs as we saw the second half, I had no feeling at all that we would win that game in OT unless Eli fell down on his own in the end zone for a safety.

Some might say what about the previous games, well Gibbs pretty much did the same thing against the Eagles, before the first half he had half the kicking team on and half the offensive team on and that's how he made his decision to kick it, lucky for us Andy Reed was calling TO to allow Gibbs time to straighten out the mess that was about to implode. Yes our defense was able to hang in there the first 2 weeks and hold off the opposition, well when you tell your defense the offense is going to stay in the locker room at half time, you have a 14 point lead that should be enough just hold them, well they could get tired and a little ticked that they are fighting their gut's out while Gibbs has the offense on the side line relaxing and sipping lemonade.

I am sorry to say Joe, the players may be fighting there guts out and leaving it on the field but you sure ain't! Funny Gibbs kept reiterating that we are all together, I can't help thinking how much Gibbs is starting to mirror Lt Comdr. Philip Francis Queeg, no we wont have a Caine mutiny on our hands, but players have to be thinking it!
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