Redskins turned down Al Wilson!! plus great offer
 

According to WashingtonPost.com
The skins would've got:
Al Wilson
1st Rounder
3rd Rounder
possibly 2nd Rounder
broncos get
1st Rounder
it says we turned it down so we could have fletcher
no offense but Al Wilson is considered one of the top MLB's out their im suprised
link:
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html[/url]

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if we could get a mlb who already knows the system who is just as good in free agency and keep our #6 pick then why not just go that way? we did the right thing

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[QUOTE=Big C;285265]if we could get a mlb who already knows the system who is just as good in free agency and keep our #6 pick then why not just go that way?[/QUOTE]

Cause the picks would have been nice too. I think they did the wrong thing by turning that one down. Al Wilson is a monster. Also, if they were willing to give up Wilson, why don't they just send Bly over?

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Al Wilson has supposedly been mentioned in trade talks with the Panthers as well. I wonder why he's on the block

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[quote=jdlea;285266] Also, if they were willing to give up Wilson, why don't they just send Bly over?[/quote]


Exactly

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[QUOTE=jdlea;285266]Cause the picks would have been nice too. I think they did the wrong thing by turning that one down. Al Wilson is a monster. Also, if they were willing to give up Wilson, why don't they just send Bly over?[/QUOTE]

u dont do the deal because there is a player u can get at the same position without giving up that pick. if we want to get rid of the pick we can do so easily and im sure better offers will arrive, offers that include players that are in a position that we need that we cant get through free agency, i.e. cornerback.

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[QUOTE=Big C;285274]u dont do the deal because there is a player u can get at the same position without giving up that pick. if we want to get rid of the pick we can do so easily and im sure better offers will arrive, offers that include players that are in a position that we need that we cant get through free agency, i.e. cornerback.[/QUOTE]

I said they should just change Wilson to Bly, but anyway, Al Wilson would have been a long term answer at MLB, not a stopgap. Now, I love London Fletcher, but the guy's on the downside. If he plays more than 3 years here I'll be shocked. Al Wilson is still relatively young at 29. I think he's got about 5 productive years left. However, it doesn't matter cause it's not gonna happen. However, they should just replace Wilson with Bly and the deal should get done.

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We might have turned that down,but there might be a new trade in works.

[QUOTE]Posted at 5:51 PM ET, 03/ 6/2007

More Dre Bly

As I've been writing since Sunday, don't rule out a Dre Bly trade. I continue to hear this cat is pushing to get to DC bigtime, and it seems like the trade talks are still on. The stuff I hear just won't go away and I am beginning to think it is going to happen.

Denver does not want to give Bly an extension, but the Redskins will. I heard today that these trade talks actually stretch back to before the combine and have taken on various forms (including the Springs for Bly proposed swap that the Broncos killed because the Skins wanted cap relief, as reported first on this lil blog Sunday).

So now the Broncos are bringing in corner David Macklin and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third-round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal.

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

In that scenario, the Skins would make a big play for the 19-year-old defensive lineman from Louisville, Okoye, to address that need, and get young offensive and defensive linemen with the additional picks (I hear they love this kid by the way). Also, Springs would likely get traded for picks (don't rule out him landing in Detroit, Arizona or even Baltimore) and Bly gets his money in Washington.

And trust me, I am not going to put everything I know out there right now, but the Skins could make this happen cap-wise, with little problem.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

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Al Wilson would've been nice but Fletcher already knows the system and fits in well.

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I'm tired of dealing with Denver. Something tells me that they're going to come out with our 2008 2nd round pick if we go down that road again.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;285277]I said they should just change Wilson to Bly, but anyway, Al Wilson would have been a long term answer at MLB, not a stopgap. Now, I love London Fletcher, but the guy's on the downside. If he plays more than 3 years here I'll be shocked. Al Wilson is still relatively young at 29. I think he's got about 5 productive years left. However, it doesn't matter cause it's not gonna happen. However, they should just replace Wilson with Bly and the deal should get done.[/QUOTE]

wilson is only 2 years younger, i dont think that makes a long term answer. he will be 30 at the start of the season and fletcher will be 32

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[QUOTE=Big C;285293]wilson is only 2 years younger, i dont think that makes a long term answer. he will be 30 at the start of the season and fletcher will be 32[/QUOTE]

Okay, but I still think they should make the same trade for Bly, which was actually the poorly illustrated main point of my first post. I think Al Wilson would have been nice, but Bly would be better. If they could have gotten Wilson instead of Flet I would have been happy. However, it didn't happen and I'm happy this way too.

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al wilson is good, but fletcher + #6 is better than wilson and #21.

the broncos are making decent offers though.

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we want dre and springs at corner next year trust me! i am telling you that it couldnt get any better than that for us...it also might give arch a chance to be more of a linebacker at safety if we have two guys who can cover the way those two do...carlos rodgers is a bust people...cant play a lick you tell me a good game he had and i will show you 5 bad ones, corners need to be consistent and he isnt.

there are so many scenarios out there but the more i look at it the more i say trade back in the draft to get more picks and or players via trade. i mean its obvious that we dont have the sack to make the 6th selection in the draft, but that might not be a bad thing all and all.

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Arch and Rodgers are in the same boat in my book, its just nobody pointed out all of rodgers mistakes cause he is young and arch had a big pay day last year. but rodgers is in the same boat as arch if you ask me.

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Wilson had a semi-serious neck injury last December. That could be reason for the Broncos to want to deal him. I'm glad we passed him up.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2689025]ESPN.com - NFL - Broncos LB Wilson returns to practice after neck injury[/url]

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I read that this morning. How can you turn that down. Al Wilson, 1st, 3rd and possibly 2nd for our #6. WOW! I dont think there would be another trade situation where we could get 3 picks like that. It may have been our 3rd to begin with (duckett deal) which would have been a high 3rd. Plus Wilson.

This is the problem with Gibbs and Williams in charge of picking and choosing players. GW has suck a hard on for Fletcher, that they nix that deal. I GM may have looked at it a little longer and harder. If that is in fact the deal, that has to be hard to turn down.

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It's obvious a deal with the Broncos is very likely to happen. Sounds like we're holding out for Bly. Wilson is a good player but Fletcher was a better fit.

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Check my post in the other thread on 'What is Available at 21 and 42' (even though the pick is 56). According to the Draft Value Chart the Redskins would be CRAZY to take ANYTHING LESS than the Broncos first three picks (including our 3rd rounder back) and Dre Bly. If they don't get a second round pick in the deal then you are valuing Bly (or Wilson in the above mentioned trade) as basically the 38th overall pick. I mean, maybe that works, but what did the Broncos give up to get him? Tatum Bell, some other guy, and a 5th. Would anyone have given them the 38th overall pick for that package or is that more like a high third round value? I don't know, but I'd hold out for the first three picks and Bly. The Skins are probably going to have to move one of those other first day picks to move up from 21 and get Okoye (if that is who they really want), he is probably more like a 12-16 kind of player.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;285304]Arch and Rodgers are in the same boat in my book, its just nobody pointed out all of rodgers mistakes cause he is young and arch had a big pay day last year. but rodgers is in the same boat as arch if you ask me.[/QUOTE] It's funny you are ready to throw Rogers over the side. Are you one of those that think that Dockery leaving is the end of the world as well. Well let me tell you just a season a go Dockery was ready to be throw under the bus for so so play. One year later we get a big pay day and is the one of the best guardm in the league. Who kowns Rogers a year or so may be the best as well!

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yeah, fletcher's stats are astonishing... and not only can he shed blocks and make tackles (he avgs like 140+ over the last 5 years... amazing) but he plays the pass great too...

I think he's more of what we need than al wilson, and he's probably cheaper if wilson would want a new deal... not to mention the picks... we need a solid corner and bly would fit our needs better...

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[quote=RedskinPete;285367]It's funny you are ready to throw Rogers over the side. Are you one of those that think that Dockery leaving is the end of the world as well. Well let me tell you just a season a go Dockery was ready to be throw under the bus for so so play. One year later we get a big pay day and is the one of the best guardm in the league. Who kowns Rogers a year or so may be the best as well![/quote]


Yeah, pete, but if he waits until his contract year to decide to play then F 'em, which is how I felt about dock all of last year...

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I'll tell you who we should get at MLB - Jeremiah Trotter. Who cares if he doesn't play the exact style of defense we do - he's awesome, and will adapt his game. [/2003]

Style of play and familiarity with the system are huge. I'm not familiar enough with Wilson's game to say he [U]doesn't[/U] fit, but Fletcher [U]does[/U]. Besides, [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4680"]looking at the stats[/URL], Wilson's play dropped off after week ten last year. I don't know the reason, but the Broncos were in contention, and they fell out. Wilson didn't come up big when needed.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;285381]Yeah, pete, but if he waits until his contract year to decide to play then F 'em, which is how I felt about dock all of last year...[/QUOTE] Sometime it takes a little longer for player to get to where they need to be. Rogers was drafted in 05 so this should be a break out season. He played hurt most of last season and that didn't help. I can remember when Samuels looked so so! But he came around. Let's face it the D was bad all year long and Rogers wasn't the only guy not doing his job.

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Yeah, Rogers did have a broken hand all year.

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[quote=BrudLee;285387]I'll tell you who we should get at MLB - Jeremiah Trotter. Who cares if he doesn't play the exact style of defense we do - he's awesome, and will adapt his game. [/2003]

Style of play and familiarity with the system are huge. I'm not familiar enough with Wilson's game to say he [U]doesn't[/U] fit, but Fletcher [U]does[/U]. Besides, [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4680"]looking at the stats[/URL], Wilson's play dropped off after week ten last year. I don't know the reason, but the Broncos were in contention, and they fell out. Wilson didn't come up big when needed.[/quote]

The neck inj probably had something to do with that

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete;285389]Sometime it takes a little longer for player to get to where they need to be. Rogers was drafted in 05 so this should be a break out season. He played hurt most of last season and that didn't help. I can remember when Samuels looked so so! But he came around. Let's face it the D was bad all year long and Rogers wasn't the only guy not doing his job.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. I haven't looked at historical stats, but my gut feeling is that CBs need a couple years to adjust to the NFL. There aren't many that come out and dominate from the very beginning. If Rogers has the talent he was drafted for, then he is due for a breakout season.

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[quote=Daseal;285392]Yeah, Rogers did have a broken hand all year.[/quote]Then he's crying the blues when Rodgers leaves via FA...

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;285399]Definitely. I haven't looked at historical stats, but my gut feeling is that CBs need a couple years to adjust to the NFL. There aren't many that come out and dominate from the very beginning. If Rogers has the talent he was drafted for, then he is due for a breakout season.[/QUOTE]

Sanders, Bailey, Hall, and others have done quite well in their rookie seasons. Granted, those guys are among the best corners in the league, but the 9th overall pick should produce an immediate impact. I haven't give up on Rogers by any means, but I'm losing faith fast.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;285424]Sanders, Bailey, Hall, and others have done quite well in their rookie seasons. Granted, those guys are among the best corners in the league, but the 9th overall pick should produce an immediate impact. I haven't give up on Rogers by any means, but I'm losing faith fast.[/quote]

Well, on the upside, at least he doesn't go shoot people at strip clubs a la another illustrious cornerback taken in the Top 10 that year. Actually, none of those guys (Pac Man, Antrel Rolle, or Rogers) has done a whole lot to distinguish themselves. I guess Pac Man is the best, but his off-field stuff really hurts him. Wouldn't it be nice to have Shawn Merriman (12th pick that year I think) instead of Carlos? I guess you could say he is better suited for the 3-4, but I wouldn't mind to see him coming off the edge in a Skins uni.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;285427]Actually, none of those guys (Pac Man, Antrel Rolle, or Rogers) has done a whole lot to distinguish themselves.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I think the draft was kinda weak at CB that year. And, we all knew we weren't getting another Champ.

I am still hopeful that Rogers will breakout. Another thing to think of is that maybe Williams' scheme is something that takes more time for a CB to adjust to, than other schemes. From what I understand, he asks a lot from his CBs.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;285441]Yep. I think the draft was kinda weak at CB that year. And, we all knew we weren't getting another Champ.

I am still hopeful that Rogers will breakout. Another thing to think of is that maybe Williams' scheme is something that takes more time for a CB to adjust to, than other schemes. From what I understand, he asks a lot from his CBs.[/QUOTE]

Uhhh...I never thought he was Champ, but I thought he was a lot better than he has played.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;285446]Uhhh...I never thought he was Champ, but I thought he was a lot better than he has played.[/QUOTE]

My point is: he still might be a lot better than he has played.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;285451]My point is: he still might be a lot better than he has played.[/QUOTE]

I'm not disagreeing and I meant to put that at the end of my post. That he's not a bust yet. He's still liable to get a lot better. I also don't think he's been garbage, just not very good.

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al wilson is crazy fast. that would have been sweet.oh well.

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What's the possible 2nd rounder? That trade blows without that 2nd rounder! I want all 4 of their 1st day picks for #6...according to the chart those 4 picks still do not equal the value of #6 but i would probably do that deal anyway.

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[quote=RedskinPete;285367]It's funny you are ready to throw Rogers over the side. Are you one of those that think that Dockery leaving is the end of the world as well. Well let me tell you just a season a go Dockery was ready to be throw under the bus for so so play. One year later we get a big pay day and is the one of the best guardm in the league. Who kowns Rogers a year or so may be the best as well![/quote]


it is funny isnt it. ha-ha corner and o line are different and so is being the number 9 pick in the draft and a third or forth rounder. rodgers was playing 10 yards off the ball on 3 and 2 last year on a number of occasions. you are going to tell me that he can play corner in the nfl? no way, corners use their athletic ability which he has, and thier confidence which he lacks in order to be good. this kid has the potential to be good and i am rooting for him, but i am not going to give him any more slack. right now the kid is a bust, he hasnt played well, even when we went to the playoffs, there are a handful of plays in that seattle game which he could have made but didnt and tehy were game changing plays too...dont back him cause you like him, you must really see him produce before you back him, faith in a player will always let you down.

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ask any coach what they thought of rodgers this year.....inconsistent and no confidence would be thier first things to say about him.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;285466]it is funny isnt it. ha-ha corner and o line are different and so is being the number 9 pick in the draft and a third or forth rounder. rodgers was playing 10 yards off the ball on 3 and 2 last year on a number of occasions. you are going to tell me that he can play corner in the nfl? no way, corners use their athletic ability which he has, and thier confidence which he lacks in order to be good. this kid has the potential to be good and i am rooting for him, but i am not going to give him any more slack. right now the kid is a bust, he hasnt played well, even when we went to the playoffs, there are a handful of plays in that seattle game which he could have made but didnt and tehy were game changing plays too...dont back him cause you like him, you must really see him produce before you back him, faith in a player will always let you down.[/QUOTE]
Again He was hurt for part of the season and Gibbs even said that this last weekend. Gibbs see something you don't and I believe he known a little more then you do. I do agree he missed a big INT in that Seattle game that may have change the hole game! I just don't don't give up on a guy after two season. To be fair he showld have been a third CB his first year not a starter and worked his way up but he was need right off the bat! This is not about faith its about getting after it and many NFL players hit it in thier thrid year. Is he a S.Taylor No but even Taylor didn't play up what he should of last season. NO one on D played well and that is a FACT! It's funny when a team can rush a passer with four down linemen we never complain about CB's or LB's! By the way Dockery was drafted in 03 and he didn't play well till the 06 season and if you can add that was four seasons before he came of age! So Rogers has aways to go to be a bust!

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If we can get their 1st rounder and use it on Okoye (who has a ton of upside) and then also recieve their 2nd, 3rd, a possible conditional pick, and Bly for just our 6th, and then can trade Springs for a second round pick & 4th-6th round pick, they've gotta make those deals. Not only because the team doesn't have a good history recently other than Taylor to an extent with top 15 picks, and we have a lot of position that could use some youth injected into them. Not to mention also the vast difference in the cap space & signing bonus a player taken at Denver's spot would be from the player the skins r currently in position to take. I mean a potential 6 picks and a pretty darn good cb for just one pick with a high price tag and a player that lately has come off as not really wanting to be around here, that's almost a no brainer.