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Wow im not really surprise they really tried to low ball another of their own. Are you?

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redskins insider said 12$mill SB and 5mill per year. that's a bit different than what you're quoting. [edit: JLC opinion, not fact... real numbers will be psoted later]

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;284124]Wow im not really surprise they really tried to low ball another of their own. Are you?[/quote]
If that's true, given the current market, that is a downright insulting offer. On the other hand, I'm glad we didn't give Doc "Steve Hutchinson Money". He ain't that good.

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was from the washington post today

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if we would have offered him around 10 during the season he probably still be here

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[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/03/the_skins_and_dock_were_on_dif.html"]The Skins And Dock Were On Different Planets - Redskins Insider[/URL]

numbers later tongiht.

that's his opinion on the numbers, real ones aren't up, so i apologize. you're constant pissing on the skins no matter what got to me i guess, but i spoke too soon, and those original numbers might be right.

those were the numbers offered during the season though, and honestly, he's closer to being worth 4mill a year than 7mill, so i'm not really all that upset about it. he didn't want to be here - he wanted money - and he made that clear over a YEAR ago. he was very clear even on redskins.com that he was going to market no matter what, and then he'd take the best deal and run with it.

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[quote=That Guy;284130]redskins insider said 12$mill SB and 5mill per year. that's a bit different than what you're quoting. [edit: JLC opinion, not fact... real numbers will be psoted later][/quote]

I read the same thing that was with a 12 mil signing bonus.
Doesn't mean a hill of beans at this point, he's an enemy. Dock look out when you come visit us this year!:boxing:

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washington post said 3 yrs total of 12 million. Not a 12 million bonus according to a team source.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;284143]washington post said 3 yrs total of 12 million. Not a 12 million bonus according to a team source.[/quote]

where? haven't seen any report of that in the post. Per Warpath guidelines, link please..

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Every report I saw said a 12M bonus or 12M in guaranteees -

If anyone had said that was the offer in November, the reaction probly would have been "Wow - that'll lock him up." There probly would've been a few "He's not worth that" remarks.

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Why would they only want to lock up a player of Docks age for 3 years? That report makes no sense...plus that would be a downright insulting offer.

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Why is that insulting? It was offered before anyone knew how crazy the market was. I think it seems downright decent considering his talent level and what Hutch signed last year. No way the Skins knew the market would blow up.If they offered that after they knew what was going on then maybe.

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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/03/AR2007030300808_z.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/03/AR2007030300808_2.html[/URL]

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[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url] Flectcher,Land Smoot. Jason la Canfora and Howard Bryant

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The question to ask is, do you really truly think Doc was worth the money he got signing with the Bills?

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I HIGHLY doubt we offered him 5 million gaurnateed. Thats like what they'd offer me to be their #1 hot dog seller at FedEx feild. Unless I hear Dock tell me thats what they offered I think thats crap. I'm not saying its not possible we low balled him, but thats basically just cutting his balls off and then throwing them in the ocean.

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NO WAY! Docks good. But he's not worth that kinda cash to the REDSKINS!

The Bills overpaid BIG...just like the COWGIRLS and the rest of the teams paying OL/G that haven't even made a pro bowl appearance!

However, they set the stage for middle of the road players, to get way to much cash. However, whatever the market will bear....I guess that's what your worth???? GLAD WE DIDN'T PAY HIM THAT KINDA COIN!

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While I am pretty dubious of the numbers stated I don't care either way. We weren't going to pay him what he got, or even close, so what does it matter?

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he wasn't going to accept any kind of reasonable deal during the season anyways, so it's not like we could have kept him for much less (which would still be WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much). moot point.

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4 million per is about right for dockery. i laugh at you guys that think that was insult. he is easily the most overpaid player in the league

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/03/AR2007030300808_2.html]Redskins Introduce Fletcher, Land Smoot - washingtonpost.com[/url]

"The Redskins offered Dockery roughly three years for $12 million, according to a team source, far beneath what he commanded on the open market."

I think this may be a bit misleading. This may have been an offer at some point, but it wasn't their most recent offer

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On reflection there's no way their final real offer was 12 for 3.

First: 12 for 3 is too low even by old standards.
Second: There's no way we offered a 3 year deal. We sign 56 year old LBs to 6 year deals for cap purposes.(exageration) I am guessing the 12 for 3 is a miscommunication.
Third: Even when we "low-balled" players in the past it wasn't THAT bad.
Fourth: If that was our best offer then Dock is a pretty gracious guy to not spit in the FO's face on the way out. Dock even sounded pretty magnanomous. A guy getting pool-cue skewered with a crap offer like 12 for 3 wouldn't do that even if he was the nicest guy in the world.

It's totally unbelievable.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;284212]On reflection there's no way their final real offer was 12 for 3.

First: 12 for 3 is too low even by old standards.[/QUOTE]

Randy Thomas signed a deal that averaged $4M per year and gave him a $7M SB on a 7-year deal when he was considered one of the best guards in the league.

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It doesn't matter Dock was looking for the big money the whole time, and although he played well for us I am glad we didn't sign him to a $49 million contract.

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I got to admit, I am a little puzzled that we did not make an offer to Dock or any key free agent guard. What are we going to do to fill this hole? Just when the o-line finally played well together and looked like the old (dare I say) Hogs. It's disappointing.

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[quote=dmek25;284192]4 million per is about right for dockery. i laugh at you guys that think that was insult. he is easily the most overpaid player in the league[/quote]

Ummm... Archuleta? Dock could be second.

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Most overpayed is a bit rough. He's a young offensive guard that's shown improvement every year he's played. Of course there are some questions about him, and he got a massive contract, but the most overpayed in the league is a bit overboard.

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Maybe,..........signifigantly overpayed? I'm damn happy the Skins chose NOT to follow that insanity.

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Oh, don't get me wrong, Hog1. I'm glad we didn't pay that price as much as I wanted to keep Dock. I just don't think he's the most overpayed player in the league by a large stretch.

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here are a couple of thing that piss me off about this whole Dockery thing : 1) the "FRONT OFFICE" should have locked him up during last year, or in the offseason before he had a chance to even look at other teams offers. They knew he was a FA, but dragged ass during the season.
2) Now, Dockery is not worth 16 million upfront, but 3 yr 12 million is a bit of insult. This organization has a reputation of low balling players, Smoot, pierce, now Dockery. Kills me how you give 10million bonuses out like candy, but low ball people on your team. they just gave a 32 yr old LB 10 million up front, but can give Dock something that is fair. Now, what dock signed for is ending up to be less than what the other O-lineman are signing for. I can't believe they were intertaining the idea of signing Davis if they were not going to give Dockery that money. He ended up signing for more than Dockery. And I dont believe they weren't interested in signing him as the post would spin it today. BS! he wouldn't have been here, plus he said I have to decide on who I want to play for, so the contract offer was all ready there.
3) the O-line was our only bright spot on the team last year. Now we have to fill a hole, a big hole. Again, dock isn't worth the 16 up front, but dont you think if we had tried like crazy during the season last year, early last year, we could have gotten him signed before all this took place. I certainly do. They better work something out w/ Cooley and Taylor before they are in the same situation. I have a feeling Taylor will be the highest paid safety in NFL history and nothing less will keep him.
we can thank our "front office" for what its going to cost us to keep him. remember Mr. Arch being made the highest safety in the league. do you think Rosenhouse didn't lick his chops when that deal was signed.

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This is clearly a misprint, we don't sign guys to 3-year deals. Think about it folks, it makes no sense.

Regardless, Dock is now incredibly overpaid and we should be happy that we're not the ones overpaying for once.

And for those who want to blame the front office for not locking him up prior to free agency, has it ever occurred to you that perhaps Dockery wasn't interested in being locked up?

I don't understand the backlash for not re-signing a guy who wasn't even our best lineman, and that outlandish contract should squash any doubts as to whether or not we did the right thing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;284305]This is clearly a misprint, we don't sign guys to 3-year deals. Think about it folks, it makes no sense.

Regardless, Dock is now incredibly overpaid and we should be happy that we're not the ones overpaying for once.

And for those who want to blame the front office for not locking him up prior to free agency, has it ever occurred to you that perhaps Dockery wasn't interested in being locked up?

I don't understand the backlash for not re-signing a guy who wasn't even our best lineman, and that outlandish contract should squash any doubts as to whether or not we did the right thing.[/QUOTE] One thing is for sure....L.Davis getting more then all of the guards this week from the Cowboys is a joke!!! But Davis is getting the last laught!!! Great stuff!!! Can't wait to see what a holder going to get some day!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;284305]This is clearly a misprint, we don't sign guys to 3-year deals. Think about it folks, it makes no sense.

Regardless, Dock is now incredibly overpaid and we should be happy that we're not the ones overpaying for once.

And for those who want to blame the front office for not locking him up prior to free agency, has it ever occurred to you that perhaps Dockery wasn't interested in being locked up?

I don't understand the backlash for not re-signing a guy who wasn't even our best lineman, and that outlandish contract should squash any doubts as to whether or not we did the right thing.[/quote]



I have said, his contract was too much, no doubt. What I am saying is, if we would have approached this earlier we could have done something prior to him being on the market. He contended he wanted to stay here, the rest of his teammates wanted him here. He would have been a fool to walk away from what the bills offered. But I just think we should have sured up the O-line. I dont get not resigning him because he wasn't our best lineman? our offensive line was the only thing that was good!! it was dominant in fact!! and all 5 of them contributed. I dont care if he was the best or 5 best. the fact is THAT oline created running lanes trucks could drive through and only yielded 19 sacks. 3rd best. If you have something that good, why not try and keep it together. that is all I am saying about it.

you saw what happened when you let pieces of the puzzle go on D. from 9th to 31st, now we are having to pay crap loads of money to shore up that side of the ball again. I just have a feeling the oline will not perform as good as it did last year.

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You're making a pretty big assumption that he was willing to sign before free agency opened up. A smart agent would have looked at how much money teams out there are going to have available to spend and said "Hey Doc, let's wait. I'll bet I can get you mad money." They were easily in the driver's seat and knew it.

Of course, he has to say he wants to stay because if he didn't get a good offer then his bridge isn't burnt. Same goes with his teammates. He's done nothing for them to say anything but that they would like for him to remain a Redskin.

Dockery and or his agent were smart, simple as that, to wait until this past week to sign a contract.

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[quote=#56fanatic;284314]I have said, his contract was too much, no doubt. What I am saying is, if we would have approached this earlier we could have done something prior to him being on the market. He contended he wanted to stay here, the rest of his teammates wanted him here. He would have been a fool to walk away from what the bills offered. But I just think we should have sured up the O-line. I dont get not resigning him because he wasn't our best lineman? our offensive line was the only thing that was good!! it was dominant in fact!! and all 5 of them contributed. I dont care if he was the best or 5 best. the fact is THAT oline created running lanes trucks could drive through and only yielded 19 sacks. 3rd best. If you have something that good, why not try and keep it together. that is all I am saying about it.

you saw what happened when you let pieces of the puzzle go on D. from 9th to 31st, now we are having to pay crap loads of money to shore up that side of the ball again. I just have a feeling the oline will not perform as good as it did last year.[/quote]

I guarantee you that his agent advised him to hold out for free agency.

Just look at what Hutchinson got last year, the bar for guards was set very high and with the cap going up it this year it made complete sense for Dockery to test free agency.

Blame him, not the front office. He wanted to get paid and he got his wish. He's gone, move on.

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[quote=Mattyk72;284323]I guarantee you that his agent advised him to hold out for free agency.

Just look at what Hutchinson got last year, the bar for guards was set very high and with the cap going up it this year it made complete sense for Dockery to test free agency.

Blame him, not the front office. He wanted to get paid and he got his wish. He's gone, move on.[/quote]

I agree for the most part - his agent earned his money by running the #s & doing due diligence on the market. I hope you're right Matty that the 3 yr. offer was incorrect, it doesn't sound like a Skins deal at all.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;284319]You're making a pretty big assumption that he was willing to sign before free agency opened up. A smart agent would have looked at how much money teams out there are going to have available to spend and said "Hey Doc, let's wait. I'll bet I can get you mad money." They were easily in the driver's seat and knew it.

Of course, he has to say he wants to stay because if he didn't get a good offer then his bridge isn't burnt. Same goes with his teammates. He's done nothing for them to say anything but that they would like for him to remain a Redskin.


Dockery and or his agent were smart, simple as that, to wait until this past week to sign a contract.[/quote]


you are right. I never looked at it from that way. there has to be a willingness to stay here and get it done. I always feel that if the team wants a certain player to be here, they will be here. Just given the facts of how Danny likes to throw the money around, and not letting players leave with out contracts. But like you said, Dock may have not been so willing. I wonder if his agent was contacted prior to the signing or before, that the bills were going after him and willing to play top dollar? that may fall in lines of tampering, but if it goes un detected, its fair game i guess.

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[quote=#56fanatic;284303]here are a couple of thing that piss me off about this whole Dockery thing : 1) the "FRONT OFFICE" should have locked him up during last year, or in the offseason before he had a chance to even look at other teams offers. They knew he was a FA, but dragged ass during the season.
2) Now, Dockery is not worth 16 million upfront, but 3 yr 12 million is a bit of insult. This organization has a reputation of low balling players, Smoot, pierce, now Dockery. Kills me how you give 10million bonuses out like candy, but low ball people on your team. they just gave a 32 yr old LB 10 million up front, but can give Dock something that is fair. Now, what dock signed for is ending up to be less than what the other O-lineman are signing for. I can't believe they were intertaining the idea of signing Davis if they were not going to give Dockery that money. He ended up signing for more than Dockery. And I dont believe they weren't interested in signing him as the post would spin it today. BS! he wouldn't have been here, plus he said I have to decide on who I want to play for, so the contract offer was all ready there.
3) the O-line was our only bright spot on the team last year. Now we have to fill a hole, a big hole. Again, dock isn't worth the 16 up front, but dont you think if we had tried like crazy during the season last year, early last year, we could have gotten him signed before all this took place. I certainly do. They better work something out w/ Cooley and Taylor before they are in the same situation. I have a feeling Taylor will be the highest paid safety in NFL history and nothing less will keep him.
we can thank our "front office" for what its going to cost us to keep him. remember Mr. Arch being made the highest safety in the league. do you think Rosenhouse didn't lick his chops when that deal was signed.[/quote]Could you please give your links to what you have stated like they are facts.
1. How do you know that we did not try and sign him durn the year? Link
2. How do you know as a fact that we only offered him 12mil 3yrs? Link that knows this for a fact and not just a rumor.

The reason I say this is your jumping all over the front office for things that you have know idea are true or not and I see this all the time here on this site. We need to wait to hear the facts before we come to any conclusions.

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The sentence in that article could mean 12mil guaranteed w/in the first 3 years.

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[quote=Hog1;284294]Maybe,..........signifigantly overpayed? I'm damn happy the Skins chose NOT to follow that insanity.[/quote]

Me too!

Bills Signed Dock to a 7 year deal for $49 million. 23 Million guaranteed over the first 3 years??!!

They also signed Nate Clements to a 8 year deal worth 80 million?????

LOL!!

We got London Fletcher from them.

Our team is already better!!!!