Dre' Bly wants to be a Skin? That's What I Hear
 

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[B]Posted at 4:09 PM ET, 03/ 4/2007[/B]

[B]Dre' Bly wants to be a Skin? That's What I Hear[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Numerous league sources, including several who have spoken with Denver cornerback Dre' Bly, said that the player is miffed that he was dealt to the Broncos last week instead of Washington. As I have reported, the Redskins were deep into trade and subsequent contract talks with Bly - a Detroit Lion at the time - and were dangling cornerback Shawn Springs in discussions with those teams.
Springs was coveted by Detroit and Denver, and very open to the possibility of a trade, but the Redskins could not match Denver's offer of two players and a draft pick (the Redskins had no suitable picks in the 2007 draft) and the Lions sent him to the Broncos instead. Once it was clear Bly was going to Denver, the Redskins tried to work out a swap with them, but according to a source, the Redskins asked for cap help deferring the costs of trading Springs ($7.5 million) and Denver refuses (the Broncos did not have a ton of space, either).
However, the Broncos have been unwilling to extend Bly's contract, which has one year and $4.2 million remaining. Bly has told numerous other NFL players that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, in the course of trade talks, was willing to give Bly a new contract including a lucrative signing bonus, and Bly has expressed his concern with remaining a Bronco with several of his new teammates in Denver. He's from Chesapeake, VA, wants to be here and wants that new contract. His agent, Kennard McGuire, initially declined to comment on the matter.
Springs, meantime, has ties to the staffs of both Denver and Detroit, and has said he will not take a pay cut to remain a Redskin this season (he is due to make $6.8 million and carries a high $7.3 million cap figure, which the Redskins have been eager to trim). The team approached Springs about taking a salary cut to remain here earlier this offseason, and he refused; his cap figures are huge each of the next three seasons and some team officials have expressed concerns about his age and injury history.
Sources close to Springs say he remains unsure about his status with the Redskins despite Coach Joe Gibbs saying repeated that he is "counting on Springs" for next season. Denver Coach Mike Shanahan is a big proponent of Springs's play, according to a source, and the Broncos and Redskins have completed trades in each of the past three years and are among the most aggressive teams in the NFL when it comes to swapping players. The Redskins remain very interested in dropping down from the sixth overall pick to acquire additional selections in this year's draft, and the possibility exists of another deal this offseason involving the cornerbacks and/or draft picks.
A trade after June 1 would cost the Redskins just $2.5 million in a cap hit on Springs (with $5 million coming in 2008). Springs is also considering approaching the Redskins about possibility relinquishing several million dollars in deferred payments still owed him in order to facilitate his possible trade or release. Many members of the Redskins staff are thrilled with the possibility of a cornerback trio of Springs, free-agent signing Fred Smoot and youngster Carlos Rogers, but should Bly attempt to force his way out of Denver, the situation bears monitoring, with the huge free agent contracts being thrown around this offseason not going unnoticed by Bly or Springs.
So keep an eye on this one folks. I think there is still a chance for more trade talks to resume. The Broncos are also very high on Ladell Betts, and could make a play in that direction as well as they entertain other RB options. Definitely something I will be monitoring.
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thats pretty interresting.

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not sure i want him here, isn't he kind of old?

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I would rather have Springs than Bly. Unless we get the better end of a possible deal with the Broncos--say Bly and one of Denver's thirds for Springs--the Skins should sit tight.

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I would feel a whole lot better with the Portis/Betts Tandem, and the Corner Back situation that we are in now with a HEALTHY? Springs, Smoot & Rodgers.

I wouldn't like to see us trade Betts/Springs for BLY. There would have to be more in it for us to make a move like that. Interesting??? BLY talking to SNYDER....

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This is extremely interesting, but I just can't see us trading Springs to Denver for Bly. I'm really happy with our CB trio of Springs, Rogers, and Smoot, but it sounds to me that Springs is really unhappy here. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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I noticed the exact same thing from this piece. Why is springs so unhappy in DC? It seems to be about more than the money all of a sudden.

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I would rather have Bly who wants to be here, than springs who doesn't.

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Didn't anyone learn from Brandon Lloyd that we shouldn't renegotiate contracts when there is still a year remaining on them? The reason Bly wants to come here is at least partially because we are the only team that would do that.

There is always the strong possibility that Bly is using the Redskins as leverage to extract a new contract from Denver.

But I don't see why you would want to swap one old corner for another old corner who you are going to give a huge contract to. To me that seems crazy.

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[quote=djnemo65;284096]Didn't anyone learn from Brandon Lloyd that we shouldn't renegotiate contracts when there is still a year remaining on them? The reason Bly wants to come here is at least partially because we are the only team that would do that.

There is always the strong possibility that Bly is using the Redskins as leverage to extract a new contract from Denver.

But I don't see why you would want to swap one old corner for another old corner who you are going to give a huge contract to. To me that seems crazy.[/quote]
Good Point! Didn't look at it from that perspective.

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[quote=djnemo65;284096]Didn't anyone learn from Brandon Lloyd that we shouldn't renegotiate contracts when there is still a year remaining on them? The reason Bly wants to come here is at least partially because we are the only team that would do that.

There is always the strong possibility that Bly is using the Redskins as leverage to extract a new contract from Denver.

But I don't see why you would want to swap one old corner for another old corner who you are going to give a huge contract to. To me that seems crazy.[/quote]

The Danny also gave Santana Moss a big new contract when he was traded from the Jets even though he still had a year left. I'm not necessarily advocating the strategy, but it doesn't seem fair to mention Llyod without also admitting that the same move worked out pretty well with Santana.

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Im sorry, am I the only one who thinks this would be an upgrade? Bly is a few years younger, seems less injury prone, has consistently been a threat for interceptions, and is also a hard hitting player (he has averaged about 4 Forced Fumbles over the past 5 years). The only reason I can think of that this would be a bad move would be for the sake of chemistry, but I would take that risk for a player who consistently creates turnovers which is something we seldom did last year. Now Im not saying Id be willing to trade something significant for him, but a straight up swap of springs for bly....I would take it in a heartbeat!!

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bly is only a slight upgrade over springs, but the contract he is looking for should keep him away from the skins

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hmmmmm?.......it would be interesting but i think springs is a better corner...i hope that if infact we do deal him to someone else we get good value for him

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bly isn't bad... but i wonder what his contract figures would be. if we're trading springs for a more expensive contract, i'm not really sure that's a very good idea.

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Anybody know Bly's contract? I would trade Springs for Bly either straight up or us getting our 3'rd rounder back if the cap hit is reasonable. I'd rather have bly who wants to be here than Springs who doesn't.

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[quote=VTSkins;284134]Anybody know Bly's contract? I would trade Springs for Bly either straight up or us getting our 3'rd rounder back if the cap hit is reasonable. I'd rather have bly who wants to be here than Springs who doesn't.[/quote]

well, bly is 1year 4.2mill, but he wants a new deal, and synder would give him one. we'd have to know what numbers they were throwing around before we could tell about cap implications.

post june, springs would count 2.5mill this year and 5mill next year (pre june, it'd be 7.3mill this year), but he might forgive some future money to help him get traded.

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Springs is better than Bly, I have no doubts about that.....


But does anyone know Bly's liablilty. I'm a huge Shawn Springs fan, and I would love to have him on the team next season, but I'd rather have Bly for 14 games, than Springs for 8

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[quote=bigSkinsfan61;284125]hmmmmm?.......it would be interesting but i think springs is a better corner...i hope that if infact we do deal him to someone else we get good value for him[/quote]

I agree I think a HEALTHY Springs is a better corner than Bly. This is the first I've heard of Springs being unhappy in DC?

However, I don't think we'll get a FULL year out of Springs. Bly has been very consistent, and seems to make it through the years, all games. Last Year played all 16. Missed very few games in his career.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;284106]The Danny also gave Santana Moss a big new contract when he was traded from the Jets even though he still had a year left. I'm not necessarily advocating the strategy, but it doesn't seem fair to mention Llyod without also admitting that the same move worked out pretty well with Santana.[/QUOTE]

Well Moss turned out to be a great player, but that says nothing about the strategy of unnecessarily giving players under contract new deals.

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Is anyone tired of players determining what is best for the team. Springs signed the deal and is making some decent money this year so he should shut up and talk about how he is going to help us.

I didn't see him complaining 4 years ago when he received that fat signing bonus.

Also, we know that when healthy, Springs is dominant in this defense. Why take the risk on Bly?

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You're right GMAC 14 games is better than 8!
Either way Rogers is gotta fight hard to start now. Consistantly missing interceptions that hit you in the hands or chest is just unacceptable for an NFL CB. How many picks to Rogers have? 1 INT all year?

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I think the real story here is why Springs want's out so badly? He is looking more and more like Champ when he wanted out. I think some of these guys see the direction of the Skins and become disconcerted about our ability to ever field a legitamate contender, we are like a revolving door for personel, an inferiour talent leaves, so an inferiour talent is brought in, and on it goes.

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[quote=offiss;284281]I think the real story here is why Springs want's out so badly? He is looking more and more like Champ when he wanted out. I think some of these guys see the direction of the Skins and become disconcerted about our ability to ever field a legitamate contender, we are like a revolving door for personel, an inferiour talent leaves, so an inferiour talent is brought in, and on it goes.[/quote]

You have some points but Springs has to share in the blame for last year's debacle. The D was pathetic while he was hurt. Now if he was pushed to come back too early, that would be a reason to be bitter.

If he doesn't like the direction of the team, he should accept his 7 million for '08 and play for new contract in '09.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;284283]You have some points but Springs has to share in the blame for last year's debacle. The D was pathetic while he was hurt. Now if he was pushed to come back too early, that would be a reason to be bitter.

If he doesn't like the direction of the team, he should accept his 7 million for '08 and play for new contract in '09.[/QUOTE]

Definitly, he has a hard time staying healthy that's no secret, he is an elite CB when healthy but that is a big concern, part of the NFL is being able to play week in and week out which he has a hard time doing.

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[quote=Gmanc711;284163]Springs is better than Bly, I have no doubts about that.....


But does anyone know Bly's liablilty. I'm a huge Shawn Springs fan, and I would love to have him on the team next season, but I'd rather have Bly for 14 games, than Springs for 8[/quote]


now that is crazy bly is better he stays healthyier has much better hands and better coverage skills springs has diminshed by far i would trade springs for bly in a heartbeat the contract thing is the only thing that kinda has me worried a little bit but springs for bly i would do that in a heartbeat and i think we should do that

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i wonder what the jets wanted to give us for betts?

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I dont know why everyone is jumping on this Bly for Springs deal? Bly is 30, (thats not old!!) but he hasn't been all that great. He only wants to come here for that last big contract. All these signing bonuses DAnny gives out, 10million here, 10million there, thats why he wants to be a REdskin. Its not for the tradition, the prostage of the program, its the money. as is with all these guys they bring in. 10 million up front for a 32 year old LB?? that is nuts. WE didn't have to pay him that much. I think we could have gotten Fletcher for about 6 to 7 million up front. Smoot signed for what 2Million? I am sure he could have gotten more elsewhere, but WANTED to be a Redskin, not for the money!

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[quote=Crat92;284092]I would rather have Bly who wants to be here, than springs who doesn't.[/quote]

I think Bly wants to be here to get paid!!! I can't say i blame him too much, just a thought.

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[quote=offiss;284281]I think the real story here is why Springs want's out so badly? He is looking more and more like Champ when he wanted out. I think some of these guys see the direction of the Skins and become disconcerted about our ability to ever field a legitamate contender, we are like a revolving door for personel, an inferiour talent leaves, so an inferiour talent is brought in, and on it goes.[/quote]

I really don't think he's taking that much of a macro view of things, I think he's just uneasy with the way the team has been shopping for corners, he's old and gets banged up easily, and the writing is on the wall for him.

He just wants some long term job security and obviously with his injury history and age the Skins aren't willing to fully commit to him and understandably so.

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[quote=Mattyk72;284324]I really don't think he's taking that much of a macro view of things, I think he's just uneasy with the way the team has been shopping for corners, he's old and gets banged up easily, and the writing is on the wall for him.

He just wants some long term job security and obviously with his injury history and age [B]the Skins aren't willing to fully commit to him and understandably so[/B].[/quote]

I wonder who is, though? Titans?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;284325]I wonder who is, though? Titans?[/quote]

broncos. they don't have a lot of cap space right now though.

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It may not be over yet

Redskins Notes:
Denver cornerback Dre Bly, who the Redskins attempted to acquire last week and who has told several people he wants to play for Washington, could become available again. The Broncos, who already have three quality cornerbacks, have a free agent visit set up with corner David Macklin, according to reports, and should they sign him it could be a precursor to a Bly trade. The Redskins are seeking additional picks in this draft and are interested in trading down from the sixth overall pick, while the Broncos could entertain moving up. . . .

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/05/AR2007030501454.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

Re: Dre' Bly wants to be a Skin? That's What I Hear
 

Interesting. Might just land in DC?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;284076][URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL]

[B]Posted at 4:09 PM ET, 03/ 4/2007[/B]

[B]Dre' Bly wants to be a Skin? That's What I Hear[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Numerous league sources, including several who have spoken with Denver cornerback Dre' Bly, said that the player is miffed that he was dealt to the Broncos last week instead of Washington. As I have reported, the Redskins were deep into trade and subsequent contract talks with Bly - a Detroit Lion at the time - and were dangling cornerback Shawn Springs in discussions with those teams. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Springs was coveted by Detroit and Denver, and very open to the possibility of a trade, but the Redskins could not match Denver's offer of two players and a draft pick (the Redskins had no suitable picks in the 2007 draft) and the Lions sent him to the Broncos instead. Once it was clear Bly was going to Denver, the Redskins tried to work out a swap with them, but according to a source, the Redskins asked for cap help deferring the costs of trading Springs ($7.5 million) and Denver refuses (the Broncos did not have a ton of space, either).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]However, the Broncos have been unwilling to extend Bly's contract, which has one year and $4.2 million remaining. Bly has told numerous other NFL players that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, in the course of trade talks, was willing to give Bly a new contract including a lucrative signing bonus, and Bly has expressed his concern with remaining a Bronco with several of his new teammates in Denver. He's from Chesapeake, VA, wants to be here and wants that new contract. His agent, Kennard McGuire, initially declined to comment on the matter.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Springs, meantime, has ties to the staffs of both Denver and Detroit, and has said he will not take a pay cut to remain a Redskin this season (he is due to make $6.8 million and carries a high $7.3 million cap figure, which the Redskins have been eager to trim). The team approached Springs about taking a salary cut to remain here earlier this offseason, and he refused; his cap figures are huge each of the next three seasons and some team officials have expressed concerns about his age and injury history.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Sources close to Springs say he remains unsure about his status with the Redskins despite Coach Joe Gibbs saying repeated that he is "counting on Springs" for next season. Denver Coach Mike Shanahan is a big proponent of Springs's play, according to a source, and the Broncos and Redskins have completed trades in each of the past three years and are among the most aggressive teams in the NFL when it comes to swapping players. The Redskins remain very interested in dropping down from the sixth overall pick to acquire additional selections in this year's draft, and the possibility exists of another deal this offseason involving the cornerbacks and/or draft picks.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]A trade after June 1 would cost the Redskins just $2.5 million in a cap hit on Springs (with $5 million coming in 2008). Springs is also considering approaching the Redskins about possibility relinquishing several million dollars in deferred payments still owed him in order to facilitate his possible trade or release. Many members of the Redskins staff are thrilled with the possibility of a cornerback trio of Springs, free-agent signing Fred Smoot and youngster Carlos Rogers, but should Bly attempt to force his way out of Denver, the situation bears monitoring, with the huge free agent contracts being thrown around this offseason not going unnoticed by Bly or Springs.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]So keep an eye on this one folks. I think there is still a chance for more trade talks to resume. The Broncos are also very high on Ladell Betts, and could make a play in that direction as well as they entertain other RB options. Definitely something I will be monitoring.[/FONT]
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i think we should trade shawn springs and a 2008 4th rounder for bly

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;284810]i think we should trade shawn springs and a 2008 4th rounder for bly[/quote]

Here's the thing that bothers me about losing Springs: Who will captain the secondary? Rogers? Taylor? Arch? Smoot? (<--mmm...maybe). The Skins secondary will be no better than last year without a veteran leader in the secondary. We'll look like a watered down USA Olympic basketball team out there.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;284810]i think we should trade shawn springs and a 2008 4th rounder for bly[/QUOTE]

I think the idea is to gain picks, not lose them. Something like Springs and the #6 for Bly, the #21, and the #56. Even then I'd probably still ask for something more

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Neither of them are Spring chickens, honestly I'd KEEP the #6, Bly for Springs and the #56.

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[quote=SmootSmack;284816]I think the idea is to gain picks, not lose them. Something like Springs and the #6 for Bly, the #21, and the #56. Even then I'd probably still ask for something more[/quote]

Icon is looking NICE today too.

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I'm surprised that Springs doesn't want to stay in Washington, VERY surprised. He seems like such a Redskin guy... and I know Spring and ST have a good friendship and he helps him out a lot on the field.... hmmmmm...??? I don't like the idea of Bly coming on board if it means Springs must go. I don't like it at all.