Leonard Davis to Cowboys....
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2787446]ESPN.com - NFL - Cowboys finalizing deal with prized tackle Davis[/url]

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[quote=jrocx69;283850][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2787446"]ESPN.com - NFL - Cowboys finalizing deal with prized tackle Davis[/URL][/quote]

well, let's hope his contract is a cap killer...

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Fine with me, I didnt want them to spend that kind of money on a o-lineman, or anyone for that matter.

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WOW Davis contract is expected to exceed Dockery and Steinbach 7 year and 49 million. The market is really goen wild for a so so player. Can you see us giving Davis that kind of money and not one of our own?

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Good place for him, in a COWGIRL DRESS! If we didn't pay DOCK, we sure weren't paying this UNDERACHIEVER, the kind of cash he was lookin for.

Not sure why they even brought him in to REDSKIN PARK in the first place? They were well aware off the kind of cash he was tryin to steal.

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I agree. Davis was a major underachiever. No way can we afford to spend that much for a guard.

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I think it's time to praise our front office a bit for remaining cool, calm, and collected in the midst of an insane market.

We've kept our heads about us and haven't done anything to severely jeopardize our cap future.

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Great to see we're not leading the market this year. Maybe someone in the FO has been taking notes and our efforts here have not been futile. I knew Davis was not going to be signed here for what he wanted, so let him kill the Boys cap.

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[QUOTE=VTSkins;283858]I agree. Davis was a major underachiever. No way can we afford to spend that much for a guard.[/QUOTE] I really don't know how three teams can speed that much on guards.....Wow!!!

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[quote=RedskinPete;283865]I really don't know how three teams can speed that much on guards.....Wow!!![/quote]


I agree with you and I'm really glad that we did not give Doc that much to stay here. I mean do you guys really think he should be paid as much as the top guard in the league.

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I can't believe the deals that average/good players are getting, it's really insane.

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[quote=RedskinPete;283865]I really don't know how three teams can speed that much on guards.....Wow!!![/quote]

They're flush with cap space.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;283874]I agree with you and I'm really glad that we did not give Doc that much to stay here. I mean do you guys really think he should be paid as much as the top guard in the league.[/QUOTE] Wow Chargers got a home town deal on Dielman at 39 million over 7 years with 10 million guaranteed. To stay put he left 10 million in Seattle.

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if we aren't gonna pay that much for dock then no on him

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Nice. At least in a few years other teams will be having cap troubles.

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Leonard Davis is no good. There's a reason why they Cardinals let hime go. Plus he's not suited to play guard, he's not nearly mobile enough. I have a feeling the Synder was only entertaining Davis to get the cowboys to have to pay more for him. He' really not a very good player.

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I kind of wanted him, but thank god we won't be spending the money Dallas is on him, they're are defintely other options available.

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These insane deals for offensive linemen is indicative of how important the positions along to offensive line have become. It used to be RB's &WR's garnered the most attention and biggest payday's, now it's good to see the big guys get their due. There is no game without them, it all starts and ends with them.

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[quote=Schneed10;283859]I think it's time to praise our front office a bit for remaining cool, calm, and collected in the midst of an insane market.

We've kept our heads about us and haven't done anything to severely jeopardize our cap future.[/quote]

I've been thinking the same thing so far. If we can make some moves to acquire some more draft picks, this could be one of the best offseasons in recent history.

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[quote=RedskinPete;283856]WOW Davis contract is expected to exceed Dockery and Steinbach 7 year and 49 million. The market is really goen wild for a so so player. Can you see us giving Davis that kind of money and not one of our own?[/quote]

I definitely could see us giving a FA more money than one of our own but I would guess the only reason Davis came here was to increase his price.

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good non move. no way he's worth that much.

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I'm glad we finally see why players want to play for us. Fortunately, we have no cap space to ablige them. High priced free agents = underachievements and injuries.

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A note on these insane deals. These palyers are not top producers on the field. Teams will be stuck in mediocrity and have to commit cap suicide as we shine Gibbs fourth Lombardi trophy. We have our Albatrossaleta now they have theirs, evens the field.

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[quote=SUNRA;283945]I'm glad we finally see why players want to play for us. Fortunately, we have no cap space to ablige them. High priced free agents = underachievements and injuries.[/quote]


They chose not to sign Davis and Dock.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;283949]They chose not to sign Davis and Dock.[/QUOTE]

Why did they decide not to sign them? Too much money and they are still 2.3 million over the salary cap.

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[quote=SUNRA;283953]Why did they decide not to sign them? Too much money and they are still 2.3 million over the salary cap.[/quote]

We were under the cap by approx. $6M before the Fletcher and Smoot deals.

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[quote=SUNRA;283953]Why did they decide not to sign them? Too much money and they are still 2.3 million over the salary cap.[/quote]


They chose not to sign them because they aren't worth that much money.

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[quote=skins009;283900]Leonard Davis is no good. There's a reason why they Cardinals let hime go. Plus he's not suited to play guard, he's not nearly mobile enough. I have a feeling the Synder was only entertaining Davis to get the cowboys to have to pay more for him. He' really not a very good player.[/quote]

exactly! You know his agent was talkin up the skins to JJ; "You know Wash. offerred..."
I said this in the first thread about Davis that I hope we just drive up the price for the boys, so this is good news as far as I'm concerned.
I know the guy has to be an upgrade over an old M. Rivera, but as far as chemistry & work ethic, I question the wisdom of paying big $ to a guy that has been known as not giving his all. I can't think of any player that had such a rep, got paid huge $ & suddenly starting playing at a pro bowl level.
We'll be better off w/a solid rookie IMO, even if there's a drop off in talent.

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[quote=Schneed10;283859]I think it's time to praise our front office a bit for remaining cool, calm, and collected in the midst of an insane market.

We've kept our heads about us and haven't done anything to severely jeopardize our cap future.[/quote]

Schneed - I agree with you - the money being thrown around on players is silly money in my book.

One question though - could the FO have at least tried to place the franchise or transition tag on Dockery so we could have at least gotten some draft picks in return or were the Skins too restricted by the cap?

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[quote=Bill B;283973]Schneed - I agree with you - the money being thrown around on players is silly money in my book.

One question though - could the FO have at least tried to place the franchise or transition tag on Dockery so we could have at least gotten some draft picks in return or were the Skins too restricted by the cap?[/quote]

Doing that would have really handcuffed us for this offseason.

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[QUOTE=Bill B;283973]Schneed - I agree with you - the money being thrown around on players is silly money in my book.

One question though - could the FO have at least tried to place the franchise or transition tag on Dockery so we could have at least gotten some draft picks in return or were the Skins too restricted by the cap?[/QUOTE]

franchise dock? lmao

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;283859]I think it's time to praise our front office a bit for remaining cool, calm, and collected in the midst of an insane market.

We've kept our heads about us and haven't done anything to severely jeopardize our cap future.[/QUOTE]

I'll wait to see how they do with the draft before I heap any praise upon them.

As far as free agency goes, I believe it's been more a testament to their inability to do anything insane as opposed to their desire to do something like that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;283992]Doing that would have really handcuffed us for this offseason.[/quote]

Matty - I agree with you - I just hate our team losing guys without getting anything in return. Oh well - maybe Puchillo will fill in admirably or we trade down and put a rookie in who surprises us.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;284006]I'll wait to see how they do with the draft before I heap any praise upon them.

As far as free agency goes, I believe it's been more a testament to their inability to do anything insane as opposed to their desire to do something like that.[/QUOTE]

This doesn't make any sense? Whether if you're one to look at something half full or half empty, you can't deny the fact that the front office has done a good job with free agency this offseason. We all know what Fred Smoot is capable of, and he is a definite upgrade for our secondary. And Fletcher is a 2-3 year upgrade for our team and his contract reflects that fact. I'd say they do deserve some credit for signing guys who fit well in our defense and these upgrades reflect a win now attitude, which is what the fans want as well.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;284021]This doesn't make any sense? Whether if you're one to look at something half full or half empty, you can't deny the fact that the front office has done a good job with free agency this offseason. We all know what Fred Smoot is capable of, and he is a definite upgrade for our secondary. And Fletcher is a 2-3 year upgrade for our team and his contract reflects that fact. I'd say they do deserve some credit for signing guys who fit well in our defense and these upgrades reflect a win now attitude, which is what the fans want as well.[/QUOTE]

If you want to do high-fives over London Fletcher and Fred Smoot, go right ahead. I'm comfortable with them, but let's see how they pan out first, that's all I'm saying.

With our cap situation, there wasn't a whole the front office could do.

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[quote=Beemnseven;284006]I'll wait to see how they do with the draft before I heap any praise upon them.

As far as free agency goes, I believe it's been more a testament to their inability to do anything insane as opposed to their desire to do something like that.[/quote]

Not sure what you mean, after all we [I]could[/I] have re-signed Dockery even at that crazy number. We could have made some other crazy moves too, if this front office wants to do something, they will. We could have easily dropped guys like Wynn, Daniels, Hall, Patten, etc., cleared a bunch of cap room and went to town in free agency.

We're definitely seeing a much more cautious approach.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;284036]Not sure what you mean, after all we [I]could[/I] have re-signed Dockery even at that crazy number. We could have made some other crazy moves too, if this front office wants to do something, they will. We could have easily dropped guys like Wynn, Daniels, Hall, Patten, etc., cleared a bunch of cap room and went to town in free agency.

We're definitely seeing a more cautious approach to free agency.[/QUOTE]

The point is, if we had gobs of cap space, wouldn't it be more of the same?

The fact that they didn't re-sign Dock doesn't surprise me. Retaining their current "core" guys doesn't really fit their pattern.

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[quote=Beemnseven;284038]The point is, if we had gobs of cap space, wouldn't it be more of the same?

The fact that they didn't re-sign Dock doesn't surprise me. Retaining their current "core" guys doesn't really fit their pattern.[/quote]

Like I said, had they wanted to they could have cleared alot more room and went to town.

Dock wasn't worth $49M, so core guy or not I don't see how anyone can hate on the fact they let him walk.

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[quote=Beemnseven;284038]The point is, if we had gobs of cap space, wouldn't it be more of the same?

The fact that they didn't re-sign Dock doesn't surprise me. Retaining their current "core" guys doesn't really fit their pattern.[/quote]

If signing a first round choice like Carter last year and giving him a 10mil signing bonus was stupid then what would it be to give our 5th best offensive lineman a 18 million dollar bonus?

Also, who decided that every guy that starts has been identified as a core redskin? I think there are "core redskins" and then there are "some that could possibly become core redskins". Dockery was almost a core guy, but if we had to lose a lineman, I'm glad was him and not one of the other guys. I'd like to see if we could get Wade and have him move inside. If it doesn't work, he is still excellent depth.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!;284049]If signing a first round choice like Carter last year and giving him a 10mil signing bonus was stupid then what would it be to give our 5th best offensive lineman a 18 million dollar bonus?

Also, who decided that every guy that starts has been identified as a core redskin? I think there are "core redskins" and then there are "some that could possibly become core redskins". Dockery was almost a core guy, but if we had to lose a lineman, I'm glad was him and not one of the other guys. I'd like to see if we could get Wade and have him move inside. If it doesn't work, he is still excellent depth.[/QUOTE]

I would dispute that he was the fifth best offensive lineman. He was also the youngest, and was beginning to receive accolades from Joe Bugel. Whatever. To compare Dockery's value to Andre Carter is pretty vicious if you ask me. Maybe he would have been worth that $18 million bonus. I guess we'll see.

And who the hell knows what a "core" Redskin is. That's cryptic Gibbs-speak that apparently doesn't hold a lot of water. That's why I used quotation marks. I will say this, being part of a line that was fourth in the league in sacks given up with really strong running game makes every member of the offensive line that pretty valuable.

We'll see how wise and all-knowing this front office was when we see the production of the offensive line in 2007.