Brunell and Redskins Reportedly Close to Restructured Deal
 

"In such a deal, Brunell, 36, likely would end up with a considerably lower cap figure, with a portion of his salary converted into a bonus, and a base salary closer to $1 million. Although he would make much less than $5.2 million, he would have job security for next season and some guaranteed money from the new bonus. Base salaries are not guaranteed in the NFL, and each team must fit under the $109 million salary cap."

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Springs I hope your next

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gee im glad he agreed to restructure.... that'll help a little with our cap problem maybe well get clements and fletcher afterall....id still like the idea about the vilma for betts trade if there is any truth to it

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but more importantly, we tendered punter derrick frost, so his services will once again be available for our beloved franchise ;).

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this should save a little over 3mill this year, but that's still a ways off from having enough for dockery/fletcher/clements/te?/de? it says they're looking for.

might be able to get fletcher, dockery, an either bly or smoot though with a very cheap TE (or vet min OG/OT to convert).

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;280811]"In such a deal, Brunell, 36, likely would end up with a considerably lower cap figure, with a portion of his salary converted into a bonus, and a base salary closer to $1 million. Although he would make much less than $5.2 million, he would have job security for next season and some guaranteed money from the new bonus. Base salaries are not guaranteed in the NFL, and each team must fit under the $109 million salary cap."

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Tafkas you might want to hang on to this post it will save a lot of time typing every off season for the next 4 or 5 years.

And you thought luggage stay's with you for life, this guy is like an uninvited relative that never leaves.

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[QUOTE=offiss;280829]Tafkas you might want to hang on to this post it will save a lot of time typing every off season for the next 4 or 5 years.

And you thought luggage stay's with you for life, this guy is like an uninvited relative that never leaves.[/QUOTE]

Why are you always so hard on Brunell?

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I'm not big on brunell, but think he would be a more then adequate backup

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[QUOTE=dmek25;280833]I'm not big on brunell, but think he would be a more then adequate backup[/QUOTE]

Thats fine but why be hard on Brunell about his contract? Its not his fault that the FO threw the bank at him. He did what any other QB in his situation would have done he took the $$. Fine be hard on him about his diminished QB skills and what not but you shouldnt hate on him because he went for the $$...

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thank godness i can sleep better knowing that gibbs will have his danny weurfel on his team.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;280835]thank godness i can sleep better knowing that gibbs will have his danny weurfel on his team.[/quote]


oh come on danny weurfel, i mean mark brunell wasnt great but he is no danny weurfel that guy was terrible

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I hope you're exaggerrating for comedic effect, CCMS.

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MB is Gibbs guy and this tells me that Gibbs has not completely given up on MB as the starter.

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[quote=irish;280849]MB is Gibbs guy and this tells me that Gibbs has not completely given up on MB as the starter.[/quote]Wouldn't a restructured deal imply that he has moved on to a backup role?

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I'm pretty sure that Gibbs has come to his senses and realized that Mark can't get it done as the starter. Also, I'm really glad we'll never have to cross the bridge of "who should be our backup, now?" I wasn't too excited about the names I brought up, so I'm glad Bledsoe, Harrington, Plummer, Warner (I know he's supposed to retire), etc can go elsewhere.

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[QUOTE=offiss;280829]Tafkas you might want to hang on to this post it will save a lot of time typing every off season for the next 4 or 5 years.

And you thought luggage stay's with you for life, this guy is like an uninvited relative that never leaves.[/QUOTE]

Do you really want Brunell just to up and leave and give up all that money. He is our backup, I have no problems with him being a backup he's been here so he knows whats going on. I dont know what you want him to do, its like if people had this type of money they'd walk away from it.

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I think if not for personal connection, he would be cut.
I'd ideally like to see MB stay as a backup, but let's be real, who will pay him more than vet min. coming off shoulder surgery? Maybe he'd have a couple takers, but no more than that.
I hope his salary doesn't impact our ability to restructure w/Springs who is much more valuable to the team.

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I was really hoping he'd go (or be let go) so that he wouldn't have to continue to put up with mindless crap from the fans. He could literally pay Dockery's, Springs, Clements', and Fletcher's contracts, discover a cure for cancer, bring peace to the Middle East, and joy to Mudville...and people would [I]still[/I] complain about him.

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Personal connection has something to do with it, I'm sure. The fact that he's familiar with our receivers and the playbook probably played bigger part in deciding to keep him.

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Considering his age and his coming off an injury there was little to no chance of him drawing much interest from other teams. As long as Campbell stays healthy and performs, we'll have nothing to worry about.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;280851]Wouldn't a restructured deal imply that he has moved on to a backup role?[/QUOTE]

Sort of. Its obvious that MB is not the starter now but I dont think Gibbs is completely sold on JC and I know for certain that Gibbs loves MB so by doing this deal it suggestes to me that Gibbs still thinks MB can play in the NFL and if given the opportunity will plug MB back in as the starter.

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In fairness to the team, and the offense, I hope Gibbs let's Collins compete for the #2. Brunell should not have the back-up job handed to him just becase he has game experience.

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[quote=irish;280876]Sort of. Its obvious that MB is not the starter now but I dont think Gibbs is completely sold on JC and I know for certain that Gibbs loves MB so by doing this deal it suggestes to me that Gibbs still thinks MB can play in the NFL and if given the opportunity will plug MB back in as the starter.[/quote]

I don't this is the case. Why would Gibbs give up an extra #1 pick if he wasn't sold on JC?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;280870]Considering his age and his coming off an injury there was little to no chance of him drawing much interest from other teams. As long as Campbell stays healthy and performs, we'll have nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE]

I think every team says if our starter stays healthy and performs we should be fine. Unfortunately QBs dont stay healthey and the Eagles showed how a quality backup can really make a difference.

IMO, if JC does not stay healthy or does not perform, and Gibbs has to put MB in as the starter this team is in big trouble. I was hoping the skins would sign a quality backup, not an old geezer thats out of gas.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;280878]I don't this is the case. Why would Gibbs give up an extra #1 pick if he wasn't sold on JC?[/QUOTE]

The redskins give away draft picks like Xmas presents. They are meaningless, the skins dont care about them.

Being high on a player to draft is one thing, being sold on his ability to be a starting nfl QB is something altogether different.

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[quote=irish;280881]I think every team says if our starter stays healthy and performs we should be fine. Unfortunately QBs dont stay healthey and the Eagles showed how a quality backup can really make a difference.

IMO, if JC does not stay healthy or does not perform, and Gibbs has to put MB in as the starter this team is in big trouble. I was hoping the skins would sign a quality backup, not an old geezer thats out of gas.[/quote]

One year ago, if you had Brunell and Garcia to choose from to start which one would you pick? Also, can you supply a Top 3 Quality Backup QB list that you know for certain will perform the exact same or better than Brunell?

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;280883]One year ago, if you had Brunell and Garcia to choose from to start which one would you pick? Also, can you supply a Top 3 Quality Backup QB list that you know for certain will perform the exact same or better than Brunell?[/QUOTE]

I would have picked Garcia simply because he was younger.

I saw MB play last year (as I'm sure you did) and he looked terrible & out of gas. He's now another year older so I doubt things have improved. Nothing is certain in sports but I think almost any available QB would play better than MB.

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[quote=irish;280886]I would have picked Garcia simply because he was younger.

I saw MB play last year (as I'm sure you did) and he looked terrible & out of gas. He's now another year older so I doubt things have improved. Nothing is certain in sports but I think almost any available QB would play better than MB.[/quote]

I also think he looked pretty bad last year but I also thought Garcia (who actually is 7 months older, by the way) was terrible with both Cleveland and Detroit.

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[QUOTE=irish;280886]I would have picked Garcia simply because he was younger.

I saw MB play last year (as I'm sure you did) and he looked terrible & out of gas. He's now another year older so I doubt things have improved. Nothing is certain in sports but I think almost any available QB would play better than MB.[/QUOTE]

Except he's not younger

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[quote=irish;280882]The redskins give away draft picks like Xmas presents. They are meaningless, the skins dont care about them.

Being high on a player to draft is one thing, being sold on his ability to be a starting nfl QB is something altogether different.[/quote]

I think the whole coaching staff is sold on JC. You could tell by the way Al Saunders was talking about him from his interview at the combine. I think he played well enough, and made enough plays with his 06 performace to validate that. He still has to work on his mechanics a bit.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;280891]I think the whole coaching staff is sold on JC. You could tell by the way Al Saunders was talking about him from his interview at the combine. I think he played well enough, and made enough plays with his 06 performace to validate that. He still has to work on his mechanics a bit.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying JC is not going to be the starter but I think as long as Gibbs and MB are around there is a good chance that MB will become the starter at the first opportunity.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;280890]Except he's not younger[/QUOTE]

I did not realize that. Wow MB looks even worse now. Garcia can move and throw the ball, MB has a hard time doing either.

BTW, what QB has looked good in Detroit & Cleveland?

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[quote=irish;280892]I'm not saying JC is not going to be the starter but I think as long as Gibbs and MB are around there is a good chance that MB will become the starter at the first opportunity.[/quote]

If Campbell is injured or really struggles I'd expect to see MB, otherwise I wouldn't worry. Campbell is the starter.

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What quality backups are out there?

Forget about Garcia. He wants to start.

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[quote=irish;280893]I did not realize that. Wow MB looks even worse now. Garcia can move and throw the ball, MB has a hard time doing either.

BTW, what QB has looked good in Detroit & Cleveland?[/quote]

What QB has looked good in DC?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;280894]If Campbell is injured or really struggles I'd expect to see MB, otherwise I wouldn't worry. Campbell is the starter.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if your definition of "really struggles" and Gibbs definition are the same. I doubt Gibbs will let JC get to what you and the rest of us consider really struggling.

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Let's shed a little salary cap light on the subject. Cutting Brunell would save the team $2.1 million in 2007.

But if he drops his base salary down from $5 million to the vet minimum, he saves us $4 million. Then of course you have to add in any incremental signing bonus he's getting as part of this restructure. If it's a $2 million bonus, then we can spread that over the 4 years he's still with us, adding $500 K to his cap figure. All in all, this method would create $3.5 million in cap space, that's quite a bit more than the $2.1 we'd get from axing him.

Doesn't make sense to cut the guy. Not when he's still more than capable of playing a backup role very well. All you can ask of a backup QB is to come in when you need him and not lose games. You can have a McNabb and Garcia situation for half a year, but if your backup is that good, you either can't afford him or he finds a starting job. Brunell is a solid backup, and this has all the makings of the smartest move possible given the circumstances.

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[quote=irish;280897]I wonder if your definition of "really struggles" and Gibbs definition are the same. I doubt Gibbs will let JC get to what you and the rest of us consider really struggling.[/quote]

That remains to be seen.

I'm confident that the permanent switch to Campbell has been made.

Didn't you say that Gibbs would go back to MB last year even after JC was named the starter?

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[quote=irish;280897]I wonder if your definition of "really struggles" and Gibbs definition are the same. I doubt Gibbs will let JC get to what you and the rest of us consider really struggling.[/quote]

I think you are overrating Gibbs' current opinion of Brunell. The team needs salary cap space and went to Brunell to get it. They could have cut him and gained $2.1 million in space, or they could ask him to take a paycut and gain even more space.

Gibbs is the team president. He went to Brunell knowing that at the very least, he was going to get that $2.1 million in space. That's what is motivating Brunell to accept the paycut. Brunell knows that he's not worth much on the open market these days, and that whatever he could get from the Skins in this restructured deal would be the most $ he could get in 2007. What was the catalyst to make Brunell realize that? The team, and it's team president, had to make it real clear: "Mark, accept a pay reduction so we can save more than $2.1 million. Or we're going to cut you and save the $2.1 million. Those are your options."

In the words of AC/DC, "listen to the money talk." It says it all. When Brunell was signed to a $42 million deal, we all knew what that meant for Patrick Ramsey, and look what happened to him. Now, Gibbs is cutting Brunell's salary. Campbell is the guy.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;280899]That remains to be seen.

I'm confident that the permanent switch to Campbell has been made.

Didn't you say that Gibbs would go back to MB last year even after JC was named the starter?[/QUOTE]

I did and for once I was wrong (LOL).

I think when JC was brought in last year the season was over and the team had nothing to lose no matter how he played. Now in 2007 the slate is clean and in Sept everyone will have a shot again so JC's play will be looked at with a different mindset by Gibbs. I believe that Gibbs will be a little quicker to pull the pin on JC if he sees the offense sputter and the season looks like its slipping away. I'm sure the switch has been made to JC but I'm not sure thats its permanent.