Vince Young to the Pro Bowl
 

[url=http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/SPORTS01/702030366/1027]Young in Pro Bowl - Nashville, Tennessee - Saturday, 02/03/07 - Tennessean.com[/url]

He had a good year, but he certainly doesn't deserve to go over Chad Pennington, who in my opinion was the main difference between the 4-12 2005 team and the 10-6 2006 team.

Chad Pennington 313/485 [B]64.5%[/B] 3352 yards 6.9 yards/att 17 TDs 16 INTs

Vince Young 184/357 [B]51.5%[/B] 2199 yards 6.2 yards/att 12 TD 13 INTs

The probowl selection process is becoming laughable.

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The Pro Bowl is pretty worthless.

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remember one thing my friend, its all about high lites. just look at Michael Vick. i guess stats and wins don't really mean you are good

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If the rules were not designed so that you can't touch a QB without being flagged Mathias Kiwanuka would have sacked Young in the Giants-Titans game, the Titans would have lost, and Vince would not be going to the Pro Bowl. More than any other play, that play made Vince Young.

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i disagree I think Vince Young made a huge difference once he started. Granted I agree Pennington deserved it more I think Vince Young was a huge reason that Titans had a decent season and that warrants consideration if not a spot.

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[quote=PFunk26;274713]i disagree I think Vince Young made a huge difference once he started. Granted I agree Pennington deserved it more I think Vince Young was a huge reason that Titans had a decent season and that warrants consideration if not a spot.[/quote]No doubt he was a huge upgrade over Kerry Collins, but the Titans defense also vastly improved to help out Vince Young, who was an erratic passer at best.

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The Pro Bowl is definitely laughable regardless of this particular issue, but don't discount Vince Young's comeback victories. When you add 130 more attempts to his stats he projects to 3000 yards passing, TD's jump up to 16 and INT's 17. To me it's not such a travesty.

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[quote=GTripp0012;274698][URL="http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/SPORTS01/702030366/1027"]Young in Pro Bowl - Nashville, Tennessee - Saturday, 02/03/07 - Tennessean.com[/URL]

He had a good year, but he certainly doesn't deserve to go over Chad Pennington, who in my opinion was the main difference between the 4-12 2005 team and the 10-6 2006 team.

Chad Pennington 313/485 [B]64.5%[/B] 3352 yards 6.9 yards/att 17 TDs 16 INTs

Vince Young 184/357 [B]51.5%[/B] 2199 yards 6.2 yards/att 12 TD 13 INTs

The probowl selection process is becoming laughable.[/quote]

Certainly Pennington is the guy, but I doubt he would want to participate. It's just one more chance to get hurt.

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I mean come one.....that Romosexual guy plays NOT SHITTY for half a season after warming the bench and HE GOT IN! BS! The HOF selections and Pro Bowl selections are officially retarded and void. Im so mad that I'll probably never give a flying F about either of those JOKE FESTS ever AGAIN!

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;274716]The Pro Bowl is definitely laughable regardless of this particular issue, but don't discount Vince Young's comeback victories. When you add 130 more attempts to his stats he projects to 3000 yards passing, TD's jump up to 16 and INT's 17. To me it's not such a travesty.[/QUOTE]

130 attempts for Vince Young amounts to almost half a season. The guy threw for 200+ yards a total of 4 times all season. He's a playmaker and looked really, really good for a rookie, but he's not Pro Bowl material....yet. I don't think it's a travesty, but it's hard to swallow that a QB with more INTs than TDs, barely more than 2,000 yards, and a completion percentage just above 50% is making the Pro Bowl.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;274731]130 attempts for Vince Young amounts to almost half a season. The guy threw for 200+ yards a total of 4 times all season. He's a playmaker and looked really, really good for a rookie, but he's not Pro Bowl material....yet. I don't think it's a travesty, but it's hard to swallow that a QB with more INTs than TDs, barely more than 2,000 yards, and a completion percentage just above 50% is making the Pro Bowl.[/quote]

True, I was only using the 130 to get a correlation with Pennington's number's.

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Yeah the pro-bowl sucks. This is the first season in years I'm going to watch some of it and the only reason for that is to see if Gore is killing himself in there or not.

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[quote=GTripp0012;274698][URL="http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/SPORTS01/702030366/1027"]Young in Pro Bowl - Nashville, Tennessee - Saturday, 02/03/07 - Tennessean.com[/URL]

He had a good year, but he certainly doesn't deserve to go over Chad Pennington, who in my opinion was the main difference between the 4-12 2005 team and the 10-6 2006 team.

Chad Pennington 313/485 [B]64.5%[/B] 3352 yards 6.9 yards/att 17 TDs 16 INTs

Vince Young 184/357 [B]51.5%[/B] 2199 yards 6.2 yards/att 12 TD 13 INTs

The probowl selection process is becoming laughable.[/quote]

My sentiments exactly...dont get me wrong with Young in as QB the titans were so much better....but over pennington...come on. The Pro Bowl selection process makes as much sense as the Hall of Fame selection process.

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;274760]My sentiments exactly...dont get me wrong with Young in as QB the titans were so much better....but over pennington...come on.[B] The Pro Bowl selection process makes as much sense as the Hall of Fame selection process[/B].[/quote]


eXACTLY.....doesnt make any f-in sense to me......

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[quote=Rexi;274740]Yeah the pro-bowl sucks. This is the first season in years I'm going to watch some of it and the only reason for that is to see if Gore is killing himself in there or not.[/quote]
not to high jack, but rexi what is your take on irvin over monk?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;274698][url=http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/SPORTS01/702030366/1027]Young in Pro Bowl - Nashville, Tennessee - Saturday, 02/03/07 - Tennessean.com[/url]

He had a good year, but he certainly doesn't deserve to go over Chad Pennington, who in my opinion was the main difference between the 4-12 2005 team and the 10-6 2006 team.

Chad Pennington 313/485 [B]64.5%[/B] 3352 yards 6.9 yards/att 17 TDs 16 INTs

Vince Young 184/357 [B]51.5%[/B] 2199 yards 6.2 yards/att 12 TD 13 INTs

The probowl selection process is becoming laughable.[/QUOTE]

They are opposite types of QB's.

Your stats are misleading because you ommited some important game winning stats/ TD's.

Vince Young had 19 TD's and 13 INT's. He also rushed for 552 yards at 6.7 yards per carry and 7 TD's. Why are going to deny Young's 7 rushing td's, because QB's should only be judged by their passing game? He did earn those TD's. Qb's are allowed to run and it is a nice weapon to have, Steve Young had a great career as a mobile QB.

If you add in ALL of their accomplishments in 2006:

C. Pennington had a TOTAL of 17 TD's & 16 INT's & 109 yds rushing

Vince Young had a TOTAL of 19 TD's & 13 INT's & 552 yds rushing

Plus add that Pennington played in three more games than Young and that Young is a rookie. IMO Advantage : Young

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[quote=Defensewins;274784]They are opposite types of QB's.

Your stats are misleading because you ommited some important game winning stats/ TD's.

Vince Young had 19 TD's and 13 INT's. He also rushed for 552 yards at 6.7 yards per carry and 7 TD's. Why are going to deny Young's 7 rushing td's, because QB's should only be judged by their passing game? He did earn those TD's. Qb's are allowed to run and it is a nice weapon to have, Steve Young had a great career as a mobile QB.

If you add in ALL of their accomplishments in 2006:

C. Pennington had a TOTAL of 17 TD's & 16 INT's & 109 yds rushing

Vince Young had a TOTAL of 19 TD's & 13 INT's & 552 yds rushing

Plus add that Pennington played in three more games than Young and that Young is a rookie. IMO Advantage : Young[/quote]
The fact that you're a rookie has nothing to do with the pro bowl. Vince Young made it over Tom Brady too. No way that should have happened.

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young making it over those other guys is a joke,having said that,I'll probably watch the probowl now because I love seeing what vince can do

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Here we go again! :doh:

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[quote=dmek25;274775]not to high jack, but rexi what is your take on irvin over monk?[/quote]
Monk should probably be in by now. But Irvin is more deserving than Monk IMO. He was the more dominant receiver. He nearly matched all of Monk's numbers in fewer seasons.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;274784]They are opposite types of QB's.

Your stats are misleading because you ommited some important game winning stats/ TD's.

Vince Young had 19 TD's and 13 INT's. He also rushed for 552 yards at 6.7 yards per carry and 7 TD's. Why are going to deny Young's 7 rushing td's, because QB's should only be judged by their passing game? He did earn those TD's. Qb's are allowed to run and it is a nice weapon to have, Steve Young had a great career as a mobile QB.

If you add in ALL of their accomplishments in 2006:

C. Pennington had a TOTAL of 17 TD's & 16 INT's & 109 yds rushing

Vince Young had a TOTAL of 19 TD's & 13 INT's & 552 yds rushing

Plus add that Pennington played in three more games than Young and that Young is a rookie. IMO Advantage : Young[/QUOTE]Well, I only gave the passing stats, and although its true that Vince Young does stuff with his legs that helps the Titans win (and you do have to consider this in player eval), Chad Pennington is still the far, far superior QB. At least he was this year. The difference in their completion % is 13%! Vince Young helped win some games, but he was a poor passer which is something you'd expect from a rookie. Not pro bowl caliber.

It's fine to count rushing TDs, but then I think all rushing TDs by any player on the team should be counted.

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when u get to the pro bowl when u have more ints than tds something is really wrong

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I think Vince Young deserves to go over Chad Pennington. The Titans were nothing without Young. I agree about ROMO. (HE SHOLDN'T BE IN!!!) Let's start tabulatin' after the Wild Card game! ROMO would be a NO show! Grossman instead? no a friggin' chance!

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[quote=wilsowilso;274699]The Pro Bowl is pretty worthless.[/quote]

Once Romo was sent there after a few good games (before the blooper of the year), that was established.


Oh well, it's one more week of football...I won't complain too much. It's just an exhibition anyways.

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[quote=Big C;274883]when u get to the pro bowl when u have more ints than tds something is really wrong[/quote]You've got that right.

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My Dad being a bills fan, I took him to the bills vs titans game on xmas eve. Right before half time the titans had the ball at like the 50 and it looked like they would just throw up a hail mary pass. Instead young took the snap, rolled out to one sideline, cut clear across the field to the other sideline, and waltz into the endzone. It looked as effortless as his TD runs in the national championship game against USC. It's tough to say he deserves to be in over pennington cuz pennington actually got his team to the playoffs but you cant discredit vince young for what he did this year. He's flat out amazing.

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[quote=Misterbillysells;275125]My Dad being a bills fan, I took him to the bills vs titans game on xmas eve. Right before half time the titans had the ball at like the 50 and it looked like they would just throw up a hail mary pass. Instead young took the snap, rolled out to one sideline, cut clear across the field to the other sideline, and waltz into the endzone. It looked as effortless as his TD runs in the national championship game against USC. It's tough to say he deserves to be in over pennington cuz pennington actually got his team to the playoffs but you cant discredit vince young for what he did this year. He's flat out amazing.[/quote]The plays that Vick and Young can make with their legs are flat out astounding. What both of them have yet to prove is that they can throw the ball with some degree of consistency. I really believe that Vince Young will grow as a passer in a manner that Michael Vick never did. He threw consistently in college better than Vick ever did and he seems to understand the game better.

It's just tough this year to look at his stats, look at Pennington's stats and try to say that Young deserved a shot before Pennington did.

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[QUOTE=Misterbillysells;275125]My Dad being a bills fan, I took him to the bills vs titans game on xmas eve. Right before half time the titans had the ball at like the 50 and it looked like they would just throw up a hail mary pass. Instead young took the snap, rolled out to one sideline, cut clear across the field to the other sideline, and waltz into the endzone. It looked as effortless as his TD runs in the national championship game against USC. It's tough to say he deserves to be in over pennington cuz pennington actually got his team to the playoffs but you cant discredit vince young for what he did this year. He's flat out amazing.[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling most of the people trying to discredit him did not watch many of his games this year or last year. They maybe watched the Redskins vs Titans game where V Young was fairly quiet.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;275129]I have a feeling most of the people trying to discredit him did not watch many of his games this year or last year. They maybe watched the Redskins vs Titans game where V Young was fairly quiet.[/QUOTE]

Probably true. However, those same people probably didn't watch Pennington much either.

I'd have to say this one is a toss-up. Pennington was the better passer, and Young had 7 rushing TDs. How can you compare the two? In a tie situation, I'd have to give the nod to the veteran who got his team into the playoffs.