Kobe Bryant Suspension
 

Did anyone see this play that Bryant got suspended a game for "hitting" Manu Ginobili?

I think the NBA is way off here. Any thoughts?

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Yeah, I saw it and I am not sure what to say. It looks more than incidental to me, but that might be due to my preconceived notions of Kobe.

He seems like the kinda guy that would start doing dirty stuff if he is mad or if you are playing tight defense. He is also the type that is arrogant and would claim he didn't mean to. I hope he didn't do it on purpose, but I would not be surprised if he is lying and he did it intentionally.

Wrong forum section btw ;)

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good i hate that teenage raping cunt douche bag.

anybody seen crank?
i just saw it and i have to say, pretty good.

sorry i just had to put it

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Bad call. He should be playing tonight

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Kobe clearly did [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2748084"]nothing wrong[/URL] and everyone on this planet knows Manu Ginobili is dirty player and a big time flopper.

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it's kobe.

he doesnt even give Gilbert arenas credit where credit is due.
he is what you call a jerk

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[quote=saden1;273688]Kobe clearly did [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2748084"]nothing wrong[/URL] and everyone on this planet knows Manu Ginobili is dirty player and a big time flopper.[/quote]


Ginobili is a flopper, but I still am not sure about Kobe. I hope he didn't do it on purpose.

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[quote=dall-assblows;273689]it's kobe.

he doesnt even give Gilbert arenas credit where credit is due.
he is what you call a jerk[/quote]

I am not a Kobe hater by any means. I respect him alot, but at the same time I could imagine Kobe doing that.

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i hate kobe with a passion if you cant tell

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;273694]i hate kobe with a passion if you cant tell[/QUOTE]

Why? Because some dumb ass chick willingly went up to his hotel room at night? You don't go to a man's hotel room without expecting a little action. I'm not saying he raped her or that rape is OK but let's not pass judgment because we really don't know WTF happened in that room.

My sisters know better, and my daughter is sure as hell going to know better than to go up to a hotel room all by her self with a stranger.

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[quote=saden1;273697]Why? Because some dumb ass chick willingly went up to his hotel room at night? You don't go to a man's hotel room without expecting a little action. I'm not saying he raped her or that rape is OK but let's not pass judgment because we really don't know WTF happened in that room.

My sisters know better, and my daughter is sure as hell going to know better than to go up to a hotel room all by her self with a stranger.[/quote]

because he is a dick, arenas scores 60 (mostly while kobe was on him) and kobe says "that wouldn't of happened if i were in"

well kobe you were gaurding him the whole night, he is just a big lying dick mongrel

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[quote=saden1;273697]Why? Because some dumb ass chick willingly went up to his hotel room at night? You don't go to a man's hotel room without expecting a little action. I'm not saying he raped her or that rape is OK but let's not pass judgment because we really don't know WTF happened in that room.

[U]My sisters know better, and my daughter is sure as hell going to know better than to go[/U] [U]up to a hotel room all by her self with a[/U] stranger.[/quote]

its cool to have sex wth a 17 year old you know yea!NO! i dont care if she says she was 18 or not. even then he is married to an amazingly hot girl.

i will pass judgement all i want. i'm pretty sure this is how that night went:[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOJmwh1rADM"]YouTube - dave chappelle as rkelly "i want to piss on u"[/URL]

i know its suppose to be rkelly but it fits

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I never thought Ginobili was a "dirty" player. I've never heard anyone say that before. He plays harder than almost anyone ... I guess that could be interpreted many different ways. Everyone thinks Bruce Bowen is dirty too -- I think he just plays incredible defense. Huh, I guess people aren't really used to that in the NBA.

As for Kobe, I think he's a great player. A little selfish, but great nonetheless. My problem with this incident is that Ginobili blocked the shot from BEHIND. How does Kobe manage to hit him with his forearm when Ginobili is BEHIND him? I can't really think of any possible way to do that incidentally.

I think the NBA made the correct judgment.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;273708]I never thought Ginobili was a "dirty" player. I've never heard anyone say that before. He plays harder than almost anyone ... I guess that could be interpreted many different ways. Everyone thinks Bruce Bowen is dirty too -- I think he just plays incredible defense. Huh, I guess people aren't really used to that in the NBA.

As for Kobe, I think he's a great player. A little selfish, but great nonetheless. My problem with this incident is that Ginobili blocked the shot from BEHIND. How does Kobe manage to hit him with his forearm when Ginobili is BEHIND him? I can't really think of any possible way to do that incidentally.

I think the NBA made the correct judgment.[/QUOTE]

He plays hard for sure and he is a good player but he is one of the biggest flopper's in basketball if not THE biggest. I have seen him against the Sonics quite a bit (both in-person and on tv) and the man is a [URL="http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/061905/pro_20050619007.shtml"]flopping[/URL] [URL="http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA060505.1C.BKNspurs.ginobili.2e1a8dfd4.html"]machine[/URL].

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[quote=saden1;273714]He plays hard for sure and he is a good player but he is one of the biggest flopper's in basketball if not THE biggest. I have seen him against the Sonics quite a bit (both in-person and on tv) and the man is a [URL="http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/061905/pro_20050619007.shtml"]flopping[/URL] [URL="http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA060505.1C.BKNspurs.ginobili.2e1a8dfd4.html"]machine[/URL].[/quote]

How does that make him dirty, rather than just being cheap?

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[QUOTE=saden1;273714]He plays hard for sure and he is a good player but he is one of the biggest flopper's in basketball if not THE biggest. I have seen him against the Sonics quite a bit (both in-person and on tv) and the man is a [URL="http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/061905/pro_20050619007.shtml"]flopping[/URL] [URL="http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA060505.1C.BKNspurs.ginobili.2e1a8dfd4.html"]machine[/URL].[/QUOTE]

I agree. I hate that crap. Its almost as bad as soccer players.

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i could care less i hate both of them as players, Manu's flopping and Kobe's arrogance just rubs me the wrong way. I've seen Kobe retaliate when being played tight before so it's quite possible

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anyone got the video?

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that seemed a little more than incidental contact, especially his reaction afterwards. i dont know if he meant it or not but it sure looked suspicious. im more suprised there was no foul called on the play

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[QUOTE=saden1;273714]He plays hard for sure and he is a good player but he is one of the biggest flopper's in basketball if not THE biggest. I have seen him against the Sonics quite a bit (both in-person and on tv) and the man is a [URL="http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/061905/pro_20050619007.shtml"]flopping[/URL] [URL="http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA060505.1C.BKNspurs.ginobili.2e1a8dfd4.html"]machine[/URL].[/QUOTE]

there are plenty of floppers in basketball, everyone is trying to draw a charge, hell antonio daniels flops constantly for the wizards. guys like stockton specialized in it

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[quote=Big C;273744]there are plenty of floppers in basketball, everyone is trying to draw a charge, hell antonio daniels flops constantly for the wizards. guys like stockton specialized in it[/quote]

Exactly, the rules give way to the possibility of flopping and drawing fouls.

Also if you are gonna start getting upset over floppers what is next, is Reggie Miller a dirty player because he drew fouls by kicking out his legs when shooting???

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I really don't see what he did wrong. Seemed like it was pretty unintentional.

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I read this on another forum and it pretty much says it all:
"[You're right], Kobe's arms have always flailed out sideways towards peoples faces when he shoots."

That's where the problem lies. What he did isn't something that happens under normal circumstances. Whether he meant to hurt Ginobili, or just keep him away from the ball doesn't really matter.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;273754]I read this on another forum and it pretty much says it all:
"[You're right], Kobe's arms have always flailed out sideways towards peoples faces when he shoots."

That's where the problem lies. What he did isn't something that happens under normal circumstances. Whether he meant to hurt Ginobili, or just keep him away from the ball doesn't really matter.[/QUOTE]

BS. There is a major difference between attemtping to hurt someone and fouling them. I think intent needs to be a huge factor in decisions to suspend a player. The NBA is obviously wrong about his intent. No angle shows it in any way that can be reasonably determined to be intentionally harmful.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;273778]BS. There is a major difference between attemtping to hurt someone and fouling them. I think intent needs to be a huge factor in decisions to suspend a player. The NBA is obviously wrong about his intent. No angle shows it in any way that can be reasonably determined to be intentionally harmful.[/QUOTE]

I think Kobe intentionally flung his arm, and Ginobili was hurt as a result. Whether he meant to hurt Ginobili doesn't matter to me, because I believe his action was intentional -- maybe not the result. Let's not forget he struck him in the face ... anywhere else, and it probably doesn't become an issue.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;273779]I think Kobe intentionally flung his arm, and Ginobili was hurt as a result. Whether he meant to hurt Ginobili doesn't matter to me, because I believe his action was intentional -- maybe not the result. Let's not forget he struck him in the face ... anywhere else, and it probably doesn't become an issue.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. The first time I saw the video it was from the regular TV feed and I didn't see anything wrong with it, but then I saw the angle from above the backboard and to me it looked like Kobe swung his arm out on purpose. Since when has he followed through with his shots by throwing his arm out hard to the side? And if you don't think he threw his arm out pretty damn hard just take a look at Ginobili's face.
Kobe pouts like a spoiled brat when he doesn't think he's getting the ball enough, bitches to the refs as much as anyone in the league (which he seems to always get away with), and obviously he seems to take exception to being guarded tightly.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;273745]Exactly, the rules give way to the possibility of flopping and drawing fouls.

Also if you are gonna start getting upset over floppers what is next, is Reggie Miller a dirty player because he drew fouls by kicking out his legs when shooting???[/QUOTE]

The word dirty isn't reserved for players that play rough. There's "trying to sell a call" and then there is flopping. There have been countless of times when Manu fell to the ground when he wasn't even touched. One play that sticks in my mind happened exactly like the Kobe incident. Video replay showed he wasn't even touched yet he hit the deck in agony. Yep, he is a dirty mofo.

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[QUOTE=saden1;273816][In a separate incident] [v]ideo replay showed [Ginobili] wasn't even touched yet he hit the deck in agony.[/QUOTE]

I think I might remember seeing that. I'm definitely not a fan of that crap. Perhaps they should try to penalize that type of play? It's probably not practical though, because it would be totally subjective and difficult to enforce properly. Maybe they could just review the games, and then penalize the player afterwards -- instead of during the game?

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plain and simple, i hate both of them, but kobe was just trying to draw a foul. manu's face just happened to get in the way

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I just hate basketball!

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[QUOTE=firstdown;273885]I just hate basketball![/QUOTE]

I feel the same way about baseball and hokey. Fortunately, we have football.

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[quote=saden1;273891]I feel the same way about baseball and [B][I][U]hokey.[/U][/I][/B] Fortunately, we have football.[/quote]
is this like the hokey pokey? that is just sooo unamerican

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Since when does someones arm swing waaaaaaay round to the side on a follow through of a jump shot?

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I still think Kobe hit Ginobili on purpose, but maybe he felt it was justified...
This is from an [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270201021"]espn.com article[/URL] about Amare Stoudemire's big game last night. He said:
[QUOTE]Stoudemire's eventful evening included a technical foul after a collision with Manu Ginobili with 9:07 remaining. Ginobili drove toward the basket, leaped to shoot and caught Stoudemire in the groin with a knee as Stoudemire delivered a hand to the Spurs guard's face.

"I think they're on purpose," Stoudemire said of Ginobili's leading knees. "He's a flopper and likes to cause contact."

Said Ginobili, "I think I was in motion before he came. I had of course no intention of hurting anybody."[/QUOTE]
So maybe Ginobili was doing this crap to Kobe and that's why he swung his arm like he did.

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Whether it was intentional or even worthy of a suspension, it's good to see the league staying tough on their preseason promises to stop the fighting that the Pistons, Pacers, Knicks and Heat have been going wild with over the past few years, regardless of the player's name or value to the league.

No star treatment for Kobe. :)

Hey, he did elbow Mike Miller in the throat last year, so his record is not exactly clean before this incident.

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after last night, ginobilli is starting to look like he might be alittle dirty. hell, if you didn't see it, he basically kicked amare stoutmire in the balls for trying to block his shot