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The guy just led his team to another Super Bowl win IMO. He is a freak of nature. Anyone wanna bet who wins next week between Indy and NE. I will say San Diego handed that game away with some pitiful turnovers, but Brady made them pay. By the way having a rookie quarterback start for you in the playoffs is a recipe for going home no matter how good your team may be. New England is mostly no names with a few great players and the sickest QB I've ever seen play.

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[quote=wilsowilso;269947]The guy just led his team to another Super Bowl win IMO. He is a freak of nature. Anyone wanna bet who wins next week between Indy and NE. I will say San Diego handed that game away with some pitiful turnovers, but Brady made them pay. Bye the way having a rookie quarterback start for you in the playoffs is a recipe for going home no matter how good your team may be. New England is mostly no names with a few great players and the sickest QB I've ever seen play.[/quote]
This is Rivers' third year.

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Yeah Philip Rivers didn't have the greatest game today, sucks for him. I was really pulling for the Chargers to win the game today, i fargin hate both the Pats and Colts with a passion because both of them are gonna get so much slobber-knocking from the media it's gonna make me sick. Either way i hope the Bears or Saints kick their asses in the SB.

@Steveo: He probably knew that, he was probably just calling him a rookie because this is his first year as the starter. He's basically a rookie that's been studying the playbook for two seasons.

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[quote=steveo395;269948]This is Rivers' third year.[/quote]

Yeah I meant with a first year starter and first time in the playoffs.

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Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.

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[quote=wilsowilso;269947]The guy just led his team to another Super Bowl win IMO. He is a freak of nature. Anyone wanna bet who wins next week between Indy and NE. I will say San Diego handed that game away with some pitiful turnovers, but Brady made them pay. Bye the way having a rookie quarterback start for you in the playoffs is a recipe for going home no matter how good your team may be. New England is mostly no names with a few great players and the sickest QB I've ever seen play.[/quote]

I was hoping they'd fall today, but they are absolutely incredible in the clutch, especially Mr. Brady. They also had some unbelievable breaks as well, they couldn't have had any better luck, quite frankly. I think the Colts will beat them next week, but you never know with the Patriots. I guess we'll find out next weekend.

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I used to like the Chargers. Love their draft every year. SOmething about Merriman pisses me off and I actually wanted NE to win for the first time in about 6 years.

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Indy wins this year, though.

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[quote=wilsowilso;269950]Yeah I mean't with a first year starter and first time in the playoffs.[/quote]
Brady won the Super bowl as a first year starter.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;269951]Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.[/quote]

That's crazy talk. He is better than Peyton Manning by one huge margin. It's called winning big games. I will argue Brady is better than every player you mentioned and after he wins another Super Bowl with an average team there will be no doubt. Indy might be able to win, but whoever does is going to walk all over the NFC representative in the Super Bowl.

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I figured it out, it's that really stupid 'dance' he does.

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you honestly think brady is a better quartback than dan marino because marino doesnt have a ring?

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[quote=Hail2theskins;269958]you honestly think brady is a better quartback than dan marino because marino doesnt have a ring?[/quote]

You honestly think Dan Marino is a better quarterback because of his stats?

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When Tom brady does any of this... all of dan marino's records, ill say he is better, until then, not a damn chance.

[LIST][*]Most Attempts, Career: [B]8,358[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-ATTleader"][8][/URL][*]Most Completions, Career: [B]4,967[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-COMPleader"][9][/URL] (broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"]Brett Favre[/URL] in 2006)[*]Most Yards Passing, Career: [B]61,361[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-YDSleader"][10][/URL][*]Most Touchdown Passes, Career: [B]420[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-TDleader"][11][/URL][*]Most Passing Yards, Season: [B]5,084[/B] in 1984[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-YDSleader"][10][/URL][*]Most Touchdown Passes, Season: [B]48[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-TDleader"][11][/URL] (since broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning"]Peyton Manning[/URL] 49)[*]Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Season: [B]4[/B] in 1984[*]Most Games, 300 or more Yards Passing, Career: [B]60[/B][*]Most Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: [B]13[/B] (1984-92, 1994-95, 1997-98) (since broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"]Brett Favre[/URL] 15)[*]Most Consecutive Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: [B]9[/B] (1984-92) (since broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"]Brett Favre[/URL] 15)[*]Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Career: [B]21[/B][*]Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Season: [B]6[/B] in 1984[*]Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season: [B]2.03[/B] in 1983 (296-6)[*]Most Seasons Leading League, Attempts: [B]5[/B] (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-ATTleader"][8][/URL][*]Most Seasons Leading League, Completions: [B]6[/B] (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1997)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-COMPleader"][9][/URL][*]Most Seasons, 40 or more Touchdown Passes: [B]2[/B] (1984, 1986)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-TDleader"][11][/URL][*]100 TD Passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: [B]44[/B] (9/7/86 at San Diego)[*]200 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: [B]89[/B] (9/17/89 at New England)[*]300 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: [B]157[/B] (9/4/94 vs. New England)[*]Most Points scored, QB: [B]2574[/B][*]Highest TD-INT differential: [B]+168[/B][/LIST]

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a few more things marino did, a lot like that of mr tom brady who you call iceman for making late comebacks:

# Led 37 fourth-quarter comeback victories, second only to John Elway.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;269961]a few more things marino did, a lot like that of mr tom brady who you call iceman for making late comebacks:

# Led 37 fourth-quarter comeback victories, second only to John Elway.[/quote]

Not in the playoffs.

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you want some playoff stats?

# Passed for 4,510 yards over career in playoff games[3]
# Threw at least one touchdown pass in sixteen of his eighteen playoff contests, throwing a touchdown pass in his first thirteen postseason contests.

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But how about that "Marty Ball" moment--when SD picked the ball off and then fumbled it back to NE. Something like that always happens to Marty in the playoffs!

Brady does it when it counts. He is one cool customer and takes some big hits and keeps slinging. Don't know if he's better than Marino or Montana--that's one of those endless debates--but he's right up there, no doubt. Peyton will be in his shadow unless he wins the big one, IMO.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;269963]you want some playoff stats?

# Passed for 4,510 yards over career in playoff games[3]
# Threw at least one touchdown pass in sixteen of his eighteen playoff contests, throwing a touchdown pass in his first thirteen postseason contests.[/quote]

Those are nice. Now have a look at these.

Post-season records and statistics[LIST][*]NFL record for most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (broke record of Green Bay's Bart Starr).[*]Most consecutive post season wins (college and professional combined): 12[*]NFL record 11-1 in the post-season[*]367 passes attempted[*]225 passes completed[*]2493 passing yards (226.6 ypg)[*]17 passing touchdowns[*]5 passes intercepted[*]73.7 passing attempts per interception in the post-season (lowest rate in NFL history, minimum 250 pass attempts): [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Starr"][COLOR=#0000ff]Bart Starr[/COLOR][/URL] is second with 71 attempts per post-season interception)[*]3 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl"][COLOR=#0000ff]Pro Bowls[/COLOR][/URL][*]2 Super Bowl MVP awards[*]3 Super Bowl victories[*]Most completions in a Super Bowl (32 in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVIII"][COLOR=#0000ff]Super Bowl XXXVIII[/COLOR][/URL])[/LIST]

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I hate that 4th qaurter come from behind stat,if you were doing good you wouldnt have to come from behind,not denying those are great qbs that hold those records,I just dont like that stat

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Brady was always on a better team than Marino. Look at the defense that Brady has always had, except last year, when they went nowhere.

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when brady does it for 16 years let me know, until then im not saying he is on the same level. i will say again, his team is coached extremely well hence why they win football games. brady is a very good qb but he is not the best.

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Remember this is only Brady's sixth season as a starter. He might not be halfway through his career yet.

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[quote=wilsowilso;269969]Remember this is only Brady's sixth season as a starter. He might not be halfway through his career yet.[/quote]

my point exactly, its a little premature to call him the greatest ever, dont ya think? what happens if bellicheck leaves or something and they start losing games and brady turns out to be a flop? then what?

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[quote=steveo395;269967]Brady was always on a better team than Marino. Look at the defense that Brady has always had, except last year, when they went nowhere.[/quote]

NE won a playoff game last year. Look at the recievers Brady is working with right now. They are a bunch of castoffs.

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Brady would be a HOF'er right now if he retired.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;269970]my point exactly, its a little premature to call him the greatest ever, dont ya think? what happens if bellicheck leaves or something and they start losing games and brady turns out to be a flop? then what?[/quote]

Belichik runs the Defense. He has little to do with Tom Brady playing QB.

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i got a tom brady rookie card.:)

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hes the teams head coach, id say thats got some influence on how brady plays... but i mean if all a coach is good for is play calling then why are there even coaches on the field, coaches should just be in the booth. thats like saying gibbs doesnt have an influence over anything cuz i mean he doesnt run the offense or defense.

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Im sooooooooooo sick of greg brady and the brady bunch. Ive NEVER seen a team get away with more than them. Ive never seen a team have more good luck on their side than them. Ill say hes one of the better qbs of late, but thats it. Chargers bad luck and mistakes won the game for the patsys.

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[quote=wilsowilso;269971]NE won a playoff game last year. Look at the recievers Brady is working with right now. They are a bunch of castoffs.[/quote]

Brady is a great QB. No doubt about it. He does not have any stud wr's at all. Brown, Caldwell and Gaffney??? But he does have two very good TE's. I'm very impressed with his poise, pocket pressence and underated arm. But to say he's better than Marino might be stretching it. Your talking about one of the best pure passers of all time. Plus Marino never had any of the very solid defenses that NE always fields. I think Marino was better but not by much.

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a lot of people choose to dislike tom brady and the pats for the simple fact that they're winners. fact is the pats are a very good team and tom brady is argueably the best qb in the league today. he could go down as one of the best qbs to ever play in the nfl and like someone said earlier, if he retired after this season he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

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I look at the Pat organization and then I look at the Skins and it's like night and day.

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[quote=wolfeskins;269979]a lot of people choose to dislike tom brady and the pats for the simple fact that they're winners. fact is the pats are a very good team and tom brady is argueably the best qb in the league today. he could go down as one of the best qbs to ever play in the nfl and like someone said earlier, if he retired after this season he would be a first ballot hall of famer.[/quote]

Good post. Even if you don't like him, Brady is one heck of a QB. I'll put him right on par with Marino, Elway, and Montana, all he does is win, and he's got three Super Bowl rings, and possibly a fourth on the way, to prove it. I hope the Colts win Sunday, but it's going to be awfully tough.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;269951]Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.[/quote]


No Ithink you're wrong there... Brady is the better of the 2 and probably the best to ever play the game at his position... point blank period!!!

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;269983]Good post. Even if you don't like him, Brady is one heck of a QB. I'll put him right on par with Marino, Elway, and Montana, all he does is win, and he's got three Super Bowl rings, and possibly a fourth on the way, to prove it. I hope the Colts win Sunday, but it's going to be awfully tough.[/quote]

its not not going to be tuff for the colts to win, but they may make it easy for the pats to win, i hope not. brady is an above avg qb no doubt, but to mention him with the greats of our time already is a bit much. Im really sick of the extra sloppy nut kissing on brady. Is he the ONLY player on that team???? NO. Is he the ONLY reason they win games??? NO. QBs historicaly get too much credit for teams success, but this is over the top.

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Man, Belichick is as charmed as Marty is cursed. Did anyone notice how just about every flag in the second half was against the Chargers? It's as if the officials all got together and agreed not to call the Pats for anything.

One thing's for sure -- this was New England's biggest challenge. Now they can set it on cruise control. They beat a better team that made too many boneheaded mistakes, and there's no other team left that stands a chance.

Belichick and Brady have always had the Colts' number. The NFL could change the rules just for Indy and allow the Colts to line up 15 players against 11 Patriots and the Patriots would still somehow win. The ball always seems to bounce their way no matter what.

Unbelieveable.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;269986]its not not going to be tuff for the colts to win, but they may make it easy for the pats to win, i hope not. brady is an above avg qb no doubt, but to mention him with the greats of our time already is a bit much. Im really sick of the extra sloppy nut kissing on brady. Is he the ONLY player on that team???? NO. Is he the ONLY reason they win games??? NO. QBs historicaly get too much credit for teams success, but this is over the top.[/quote]


uuhhhh, why are "the greats" considered great ? because of their preformance during their careers. tom brady's preformance, during his current career, puts him right there with "the greats"

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What's up with LT at the end there? He looked pissed.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;269986]its not not going to be tuff for the colts to win, but they may make it easy for the pats to win, i hope not. brady is an above avg qb no doubt, but to mention him with the greats of our time already is a bit much. Im really sick of the extra sloppy nut kissing on brady. Is he the ONLY player on that team???? NO. Is he the ONLY reason they win games??? NO. QBs historicaly get too much credit for teams success, but this is over the top.[/quote]

It may be hard to deny it, but he is a great QB. Do I like Brady or the Pats? Not at all, I wanted the Chargers to beat their brains in today! But there's no denying what he's accomplished, and those drives he's led New England on to win playoff games and Superbowls over the years has been nothing short of remarkable. I don't like it anymore than you do pal, but Brady's reaching all time great territory right before our eyes. It's like watching Tiger Woods in golf, and I despise him to!