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If you believe the reports coming out of San Diego, Marty Schottenheimer's job may be in jeopardy if the Chargers lose their game against the Patriots this weekend.

Say what? The Chargers were 14-2 this year! The team with the overall best record in the NFL doesn't automatically win the Super Bowl; if they did, the Super Bowl would have become really uninteresting long before this.

Is Marty Schottenheimer the best coach in the history of the NFL? Of course not. Is he one of the five best coaches in the league [U]at the moment? [/U] Yes he is.

Supposedly, he and the GM in San Diego are feuding and that's why he could be gone if they lose this weekend. Excuse me, but this is where a sane and rational and strong owner needs to step in and explain to these two guys that they better start to get along with each other or the owner will arrange for each of them to get an ice-water enema.

Even Danny Boy and his front-office menagerie wouldn't fire a coach who was 14-2 - - would they?

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From what I've heard the owner, Mr. Spanos I believe, has decided that A.J. Smith has done a remarkable job putting together the talent on the team (him and Dr. Nick-Shawne Merriman's personal physician) and that anyone (even Marty) should be able to lead this team to a Super Bowl win.

So, knowing that these guys just don't get along he may send Marty on his way if he can lead this group to Miami. If he is canned, I'd expect former Redskin coach Cam Cameron to get serious consideration.

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I know alot of people in Arizona, Oakland, Miami and Pittsburgh that are probaboly hoping that happens.

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i liked marty when he was here, and wished that he was never fired. but, why cant he get along with people in the front office? that was his problem here, also

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;269506]From what I've heard the owner, Mr. Spanos I believe, has decided that A.J. Smith has done a remarkable job putting together the talent on the team (him and Dr. Nick-Shawne Merriman's personal physician) and that anyone (even Marty) should be able to lead this team to a Super Bowl win.

So, knowing that these guys just don't get along he may send Marty on his way if he can lead this group to Miami. If he is canned, I'd expect former Redskin coach Cam Cameron to get serious consideration.[/QUOTE]

If Mr. Spanos believes it's that easy to get to the Superbowl, he's in for a rude awakening. If he fires Marty, he'll be implying that Marty doesn't deserve credit for the team's success (or not as much as the GM). I hope he does it, just so I can see it blow up in his face. What a douchebag.

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Last year the chargers could have easyly went 14-2 if they didn't lose 6 close games. Marty did a heck of a job and I'm pretty sure if he leaves the Chargers will average at best.

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I wonder how the players feel about this? You would think that after the success they've had recently that they would be supporting Marty all the way.

Its almost like the owner knows that Marty (due to his history) won't bring them a SB trophy ever.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;269503]Supposedly, he and the GM in San Diego are feuding and that's why he could be gone if they lose this weekend. Excuse me, but this is where a sane and rational and strong owner needs to step in and explain to these two guys that they better start to get along with each other or the owner will arrange for each of them to get an ice-water enema.
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I believe he has already done this before. Last year he had to settle some differences that had come out into the media. I think the porblem is that Marty is not the easiest guy to deal with and Smith is a total douche bag from I can tell. Unfortunately each is pretty good but they hate each other.

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Well if he does get fired and I'm Wayne Huizenga I'm calling Schott up right away

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This would be the dumest move the Chargers could make. If the fire Schottenheimer I bet the crumble really fast in the next 2 years.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;269516]If Mr. Spanos believes it's that easy to get to the Superbowl, he's in for a rude awakening. [I][B]If he fires Marty, he'll be implying that Marty doesn't deserve credit for the team's success[/B][/I] (or not as much as the GM). I hope he does it, just so I can see it blow up in his face. What a douchebag.[/quote]

And then he will be trying to hire a new coach... and tell them that no matter how good he does, it is not to his credit. The credit goes to the GM. Who would want that job?

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I feel pretty confident that the Chargers will win this weekend, and probably the Super Bowl for that matter. Their clearly the team to beat this season, I don't think Marty will have to worry about his job at all. Like someone posted earlier, I liked Marty when he was here with the Skins and I wish he could've stayed here longer. That was a great move by Synder to dump him for Spurrier because the OBC was just a perfect fit for the NFL.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!;269543]And then he will be trying to hire a new coach... and tell them that no matter how good he does, it is not to his credit. The credit goes to the GM. Who would want that job?[/QUOTE]

I'd take it. There's only 32 of 'em in the world.

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Personally, I couldn't stand Marty. He got rid of a lot of quality guys who "didn't fit his system." (The ones I remember are Larry Centers (a huge threat out of the backfield), James Thrash (who was the #1 receiver for Philly a couple of times)). (Sellers also left that year, but that's 20/20 hindsight.) Centers went to New Engand. Without him it was much easier for opposing defenses.

And he also dissed #28. With the above, for me that's the end of story. But in addition, it seemed as though if we were behind more than a few points we were doomed since Martyball couldn't come through for us. Am I correct that someone else is now calling the plays in SD?

Still, he shouldn't be fired after a 14-2 record. As far as the front office goes, how would they be this year if they had kept Brees?

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We all have had a job where you just didn't get along with your boss for whatever reason. And that's what's going on in SD. You have two people that just don't like each other.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;269503]

Even Danny Boy and his front-office menagerie wouldn't fire a coach who was 14-2 - - would they?[/quote]

Danny Boy did manage to fire Schott after he won 8 of his last 11 games in his first year in Washington. Prior to that, I don't believe the Skins had that much success in an 11 game span since Gibbs I (perhaps '96, when they started 7-1, but I believe they fell to 7-4). Considering the first few games of that season (total blow outs by Green Bay, Philly, NY, etc), and the remarkable turn-around that followed, they appeared to be a team on the rise. Why would you fire a coach at that point? The answer in this case was that Marty had personnel control, something The Dan can't live without, and something that will doom the skins until he is no longer the owner (and, unfortunately, he's pretty young).

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[quote=Coff;269629]Danny Boy did manage to fire Schott after he won 8 of his last 11 games in his first year in Washington. Prior to that, I don't believe the Skins had that much success in an 11 game span since Gibbs I (perhaps '96, when they started 7-1, but I believe they fell to 7-4). Considering the first few games of that season (total blow outs by Green Bay, Philly, NY, etc), and the remarkable turn-around that followed, they appeared to be a team on the rise. Why would you fire a coach at that point? The answer in this case was that Marty had personnel control, something The Dan can't live without, and something that will doom the skins until he is no longer the owner (and, unfortunately, he's pretty young).[/quote]

The most amazing thing about that is we had Tony Banks as our QB! Tony Banks? To turn around a team w/ Tony Banks is nothing more than amazing. I hated to see it. Wasn't that the throwback brown uni's year. I loved those.

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[quote=Coff;269629]Danny Boy did manage to fire Schott after he won 8 of his last 11 games in his first year in Washington. Prior to that, I don't believe the Skins had that much success in an 11 game span since Gibbs I (perhaps '96, when they started 7-1, but I believe they fell to 7-4). Considering the first few games of that season (total blow outs by Green Bay, Philly, NY, etc), and the remarkable turn-around that followed, they appeared to be a team on the rise. Why would you fire a coach at that point? The answer in this case was that Marty had personnel control, something The Dan can't live without, and something that will doom the skins until he is no longer the owner (and, unfortunately, he's pretty young).[/quote]You might as well find a new team to cheer for because Danny is going to be the owner for a long time. LOL I give Danny a by on letting him go because he was still a young owner and thought this Steve S. was the deal as he dominated the college game. He took a risk and lost but I feel he has learned to take a step back and let the coaches do their thing. How many times did we see anything on Snyder this year he was as quite as he's ever been.

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You know, for all the grief Marty gets for not winning a Super Bowl it's sort of cool that in the past two Super Bowls three of the head coaches (Cowher, Dungy, Smith) are from the Schott Coaching Tree.

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i wonder how many people around here would welcome marty back, when joe decides to retire? i would

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i would. there's better though (jeff fisher, for one). marty was smart enough to insist on firing cerrato though, and that turned out to be a truly great idea.

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I have a lot of respect for Marty. I still can't believe he went 8-8 in his first season and got fired, especially when you consider the talent he was working with.

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I can't front.....I was all for hiring Spurrier at the time.

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And I don't remember anyone back then saying, wait, God, how can we let Marty walk, he just went 8-8.

This site didn't exist back then but still .......

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;274197]And I don't remember anyone back then saying, wait, God, how can we let Marty walk, he just went 8-8.

This site didn't exist back then but still .......[/QUOTE]

I actually was pissed that Marty was fired: (1) it's not like he took over some dynasty and ruined it; (2) it was also his first year as coach of the team; (3) the roster had just imploded and the only talent we had was VERY young and almost entirely on defense (Tony Banks was the QB and Rod Gardner was our #1 WR); (4) after starting the season poorly, he won 5 straight games (just like Joe Gibbs); and (5) Marty had an excellent track record that suggested that he deserved to stick around for more than one friggin season.

My bet is that Danny regrets that move as much as any other he's made since owning the team. Had Danny been around for Joe Gibbs' first tenure, Joe would've been fired just like Marty was.

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[quote=djnemo65;274197]And I don't remember anyone back then saying, wait, God, how can we let Marty walk, he just went 8-8.

This site didn't exist back then but still .......[/quote]

Actually we've been around since '99

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;274207]Actually we've been around since '99[/QUOTE]

really? how come the earliest join dates are from 04? I always just assumed that was when the site was created.....

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;274218]really? how come the earliest join dates are from 04? I always just assumed that was when the site was created.....[/QUOTE]

The site came back strong in '04 after a brief hiatus (one week)

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;274223][QUOTE=djnemo65;274218]really? how come the earliest join dates are from 04? I always just assumed that was when the site was created.....[/QUOTE]

The site came back strong in '04 after a brief hiatus (one week)[/QUOTE]

We actually started as a Yahoo! group 'lo those may years ago.

The year was 1999. Mambo #5 ruled the charts, America said farewell to Paul Reiser and Helen Hunt in [I]Mad About You[/I], and Paris Hilton was still a whore.

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[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-warpath-about.htm"]Site history[/URL]

I need to update it a bit, I think we're over 5M hits per month now.

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wow,the memories! It is so funny and cool to look back at some of the news and discussions way back when. Wurffel having a good day against the Rams, Justin Skaggs hoping to get a break, I always liked that guy,and SPURRIERS defense [B]ranked #10[/B] going into the thanksgiving day game against the cowgirls in 02'!!!! That just makes me more sick to my stomach thinking of this past years Defense. I found the site not long after you moved from yahoo, and have been coming ever since. Great job to Matty and everyone else involved along the way. :thumb:

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[QUOTE=SkinEmAll;274264]wow,the memories! It is so funny and cool to look back at some of the news and discussions way back when. Wurffel having a good day against the Rams, Justin Skaggs hoping to get a break, I always liked that guy,and SPURRIERS defense [B]ranked #10[/B] going into the thanksgiving day game against the cowgirls in 02'!!!! That just makes me more sick to my stomach thinking of this past years Defense. I found the site not long after you moved from yahoo, and have been coming ever since. Great job to Matty and everyone else involved along the way. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Not that I long for the Spurrier days, but it's pretty incredible that he went 7-9 with the offense we fielded.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;274264]wow,the memories! It is so funny and cool to look back at some of the news and discussions way back when. Wurffel having a good day against the Rams, Justin Skaggs hoping to get a break, I always liked that guy,and SPURRIERS defense [B]ranked #10[/B] going into the thanksgiving day game against the cowgirls in 02'!!!! That just makes me more sick to my stomach thinking of this past years Defense. I found the site not long after you moved from yahoo, and have been coming ever since. Great job to Matty and everyone else involved along the way. :thumb:[/quote]

Let's call it what it was... Marvin Lewis's defense.

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[quote=Mattyk72;274335]Let's call it what it was... Marvin Lewis's defense.[/quote]

You are so right about that. Its just funny when you look back at anything spurrier, and you just gotta chuckle, sadly. Just think if Lewis was hired to replace spurrier, our team would be full of all those "High":Smoker::pimp: :party-smi :argue: character guys. And then we also would be able to appease the native indians and change the name to the Washington Bullets, which would be more fitting to the players that mr.lewis would have brought in. Actually with snyders wallet. we might have twice as many....:doh:

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[quote=SkinEmAll;274523]You are so right about that. Its just funny when you look back at anything spurrier, and you just gotta chuckle, sadly. Just think if Lewis was hired to replace spurrier, our team would be full of all those "High":Smoker::pimp: :party-smi :argue: character guys. And then we also would be able to appease the native indians and change the name to the Washington Bullets, which would be more fitting to the players that mr.lewis would have brought in. Actually with snyders wallet. we might have twice as many....:doh:[/quote]


LOL

Bringing Spurrier in was probably the dumbest thing EVER on Danny Boys part. Maybe almost as bad as him bringing in Deion S. I love Dan Snyder for his deep pockets but, GOD, I HATE him for the same reason: Deep Pockets. Rich Bastard.....

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That's because he canned the talent that we had before because the players "didn't fit his system." I remember thinking during the preseason that he was kicking all the best players off the team. (I don't remember who they were too clearly now, although I do remember one was Larry Centers who provided a tremendous option coming out of the backfield). For a while it looked like he was trying to get rid of #28 as well. A good coach (especially one who is new to a team) should be able to adjust to utilize the strengths of his players, and not ditch good players because they don't fit in his scheme.

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;274173]I have a lot of respect for Marty. I still can't believe he went 8-8 in his first season and got fired, especially when you consider the talent he was working with.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=mike340;274554]That's because he canned the talent that we had before because the players "didn't fit his system." I remember thinking during the preseason that he was kicking all the best players off the team. (I don't remember who they were too clearly now, although I do remember one was Larry Centers who provided a tremendous option coming out of the backfield). For a while it looked like he was trying to get rid of #28 as well. A good coach (especially one who is new to a team) should be able to adjust to utilize the strengths of his players, and not ditch good players because they don't fit in his scheme.[/QUOTE]

Actually, he HAD to boot players off of the team to get under the cap. The Redskins were something like $30M over the cap when he took over, so it was a cap purge and not some purge about "who fits the system." As for #28, he simply said that he would have to compete for a starting job. I find nothing wrong with that, let the best man win.