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I am getting tired of seeing Brunell frollock out of the pocket way too early just to throw the ball away on 3rd down while not even being pressured. I realize that an incomplete pass is better than an interception, but at the same time I'd like to see a bit more confidence in our speedy and ellusive recievers out of #8.
PS...Tony C IS the worst commentator; bring back Mr. Miller

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0 interceptions 0 sacks...he didn't lose the game, poor play calling and defensive play did

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brunell isnt going to get pulled for a while, if at all. it is frusterating seeing him throw it away so often, but really he was pretty accurate with his passes tonight for the most part.

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I'd rather he roll out and through the ball away than throw an INT. Brunell did OK today but the play calling was pretty shitty if you ask me. And where was Cooley/Sellers all game? It's like they didn't even exist.

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How long for Brunell?

A lot longer than one week.

Relax.

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How many hate on Brunell threads are you going to start at onetime?

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Its a going to be a long year........

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sorry bout the double thread...

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i am not happy that we didn't see sellers or cooley tonight, but i have to keep the faith that saunders playbook takes more than one offseason to get used to. i just hope and pray that we improve week to week. if that happens we'll do fine. yeah, this loss really sucks but it's no reason to jump ship and start hatin'

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im not starting to hate brunell, u cant honestly say it was a great pick up when we got him

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[quote=Gibbs'IllegitChild;214134]im not starting to hate brunell, u cant honestly say it was a great pick up when we got him[/quote]

This argument is really stale.

It's year 3 with Brunell, get over it.

He helped get us to the playoffs last year and he's our best shot this year.

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[quote=Big C;214083]brunell isnt going to get pulled for a while, if at all. it is frusterating seeing him throw it away so often, but really he was pretty accurate with his passes tonight for the most part.[/quote]
Yes he throws a great 5 yard pass very accurate and if a defender is 5 yards away he gets rid of it....god forbid he would hold it till the last second and take a hit... Oh and any defense that plays the skins knows he throws a great 5 yard pass ... he makes defensing the skins so predictable... Brunell played great monday.:Flush:

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I am sorry to say because I think Brunell is a genuinely good guy, but when we start equating a 58.3 performance as any sort of quality rating, we as fans are way overcompensating for a serious lack of efficency and decision making at the quarterback position. It is too bad that the coaching staff did not take a more aggressive role for Brunell's lack of performance in the preseason and start getting Jason Campbell more ready in relief of Brunell. I will not be suprised if he is taking a few more snaps in practice this week (well, I know that is wishful thinking). Just my thoughts.

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MB will not take this team to a Super Bowl Championship. They may get to the playoffs but not all the way. That said he's the man. For whatever reason Gibbs likes him so that's the way its gonna be.

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It is possible that Loyd & Co. were not getting open ? I have been saying it all off season , if we can't , or are not willing to run the ball 30 times a game we are going to struggle . We don't have Brady or Manning and unless we pull off that trade , we better become and ground and pound team !

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I am in no way on the Brunell sucks bandwagon but if I see him scramble three steps and throw the ball away without a defender within 6 yards of him again I might start getting on. At least twice last night he chucked the ball four or five steps too early. You gotta give your WRs time to break free. Especially on third down. He seemed a little to content to throw it away last night.

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[QUOTE=budw38;214168]It is possible that Loyd & Co. were not getting open ? I have been saying it all off season , if we can't , or are not willing to run the ball 30 times a game we are going to struggle . We don't have Brady or Manning and unless we pull off that trade , we better become and ground and pound team ![/QUOTE]

Yeah because Brady and Manning are the only QBs in the game that throw the ball well. Com'on Brunell is fully capable of a 3800-4000 yard season giving a little more confidence in his WRs and some decent protection. We don't have 3 of the fastest and most agile WRs in the league to be a ground and pound team. That's just ridiculous. I am glad you have said it "all off season" but lots of people say things and lots of them are not right.

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Dont start with this Brunell has to go crap. the guy was pressured a ton, especially when they went 3 and 4 wide. He did the smart thing, moving out of the pocket to buy a couple of seconds and did the only thing he could, throw it away. Unfortunately, our defense was not as good as it has been the last couple of years. and our special teams suck. Frost has got to go. 30 something avg for an NFL punter, that is a joke. and kicking off is a joke too. teams catching the ball on the 15 or 20 and starting on the 35 to 40. we automatically lost field position after scoring the go ahead TD.

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I would have liked to see Brunell half as pumped up in the fourth quarter as Brad Johnson. Johnson wanted the game more than Brunell, and the Vikings pulled it out.

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[quote=#56fanatic;214200]Dont start with this Brunell has to go crap. the guy was pressured a ton, especially when they went 3 and 4 wide. He did the smart thing, moving out of the pocket to buy a couple of seconds and did the only thing he could, throw it away. Unfortunately, our defense was not as good as it has been the last couple of years. and our special teams suck. Frost has got to go. 30 something avg for an NFL punter, that is a joke. and kicking off is a joke too. teams catching the ball on the 15 or 20 and starting on the 35 to 40. we automatically lost field position after scoring the go ahead TD.[/quote]

Frost averaged 43 for the night.

Not sure where you're getting 30. Maybe that was his net, but that's gotta fall on the poor coverage, not him. Outside of his first punt of the night he was fine.

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[quote=Mattyk72;214206]Frost averaged 43 for the night.

Not sure where you're getting 30. Maybe that was his net, but that's gotta fall on the poor coverage, not him. Outside of his first punt of the night he was fine.[/quote]


Our special teams play stinks. coverage wise, frost can not punt consistently. He had one good punt of like 50 yards which helped his average. he cant kick off, he cant get the ball deep on a consistant basis. we lose field position that way. we score a TD, then on the next kickoff they catch it on the 20 or 25 - they CATCH it on the 20 or 25. Hall is done. thats not even worth discussing. the coaching staff has to take some of the blame for not bringing in some people during the offseason to compete with these two chumps.

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Let's hope Mark Brunell was paying close attention to how his older counterpart played last night. Brad Johnson made things happen when the pocket collapsed.

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Brunell did fine... we need to run the ball better.

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We lost last night because Brad Johnson completed just about everything on 3rd down. Our Defense could not get a stop when we needed it and Sean Taylor's untimely penalties really hurt. Brunell did not have a great night statistically, but what really hurt was 3 FGs and not 3TDs in the RedZone.

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[quote=Twilbert07;214219]Let's hope Mark Brunell was paying close attention to how his older counterpart played last night. Brad Johnson made things happen when the pocket collapsed.[/quote]

That's news to me.

We barely collapsed the pocket on him. He was getting rid of the ball before anyone could even get near him most times.

When things did break down he threw it away.

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;214081]0 interceptions 0 sacks...he didn't lose the game, poor play calling and defensive play did[/quote]

How about 0 touchdowns and 4 of 13 on third down. Being at the game gave me an entirely different view of Brunells' play. He stares down the first read, and if that receiver is covered, he throws it away. He stares down receivers so much, that I cannot believe he doesn't throw more picks. Judging from his 163 yard performance last night, he is not the man to lead Saunders' "wide open" offense. That being said, it'll take a broken leg before Gibbs pulls him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;214226]That's news to me.

We barely collapsed the pocket on him. He was getting rid of the ball before anyone could even get near him most times.

When things did break down he threw it away.[/quote]

Bottom line is Johnson made plays while Brunell threw away the ball before looking for a second or third receiver. We need a QB who's not afraid to make a play and win the game. This "he's a great manager of the game" is overrated.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;214236]How about 0 touchdowns and 4 of 13 on third down. Being at the game gave me an entirely different view of Brunells' play. He stares down the first read, and if that receiver is covered, he throws it away. He stares down receivers so much, that I cannot believe he doesn't throw more picks. Judging from his 163 yard performance last night, he is not the man to lead Saunders' "wide open" offense. That being said, it'll take a broken leg before Gibbs pulls him.[/QUOTE]

Larerence Taylor anybody.:)

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If we got rid of all the player that everyone hates on after a loss we would only have Moss left on O and Taylor on D. Opps Taylor would be gone this week too. So the D would have all rookies.

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This argument is really stale.

It's year 3 with Brunell, get over it.

He helped get us to the playoffs last year and he's our best shot this year.[/quote]

Actually, we were losing games till we started feeding the ball hardcore to Portis for the last 5 games of the season. Then when Portis got knicked up and we had to throw more we had two horrible offensive performances in the playoffs.

Just watching Brunell made me sick and he got some deserved boo's last night. 1st down, 2nd down -- fine, make the safe safe play. On 3rd down, use as much time as you can to TRY to get it. It's about time our offense bails our DEFENSE out for once.

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We should have lost by more, how many times was C.Rogers burnt for a td and the receiver dropped the ball. Also why the hell woudnt Lloyd try to get the first down at the end of the game? All he had to do is put his head down and take one more step. It would have at least gave us another shot at the endzone. As for Brunell he did what hes still having trouble learning this offense. 0 inerceptions thats alright.

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[U]Five Reasons the Redskins lost:[/U] (from the Washington Post) 1. They couldn't score in the red zone 2. They couldn't dominate the clock. 3. They couldn't convert third downs. 4. They had costly fourthquarter penalities. 5. Brad Johnson was steadier than Mark Brunell.

The coaches and some of the fans need to stop looking away from the source, sometimes you really need to be on the outside of the situation not to see it with rose tinted glasses. JMO

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When a team loses the most popular player on the team is always the backup QB. But while there were some poor decisions by Brunell, it wasn't all on him. He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6, he's not the one who left the middle of the field wide open on defense, he's not the one with the late hit, or the missed field goal, or the poor special teams coverage. His knee isn't the one that got busted on the first play damaging our nickel defense.

It's just one game. Way, way, way too early to start making changes.

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This is what happens when you bring in a a signififcant number of offensive starters and a new offensive coordinator. I agree that our D isn't as strong as last year.

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I am saying this, we spent tons of money on receivers.
Why hell arent we throwing down field!!!! Dang. With Lloyd and Moss we should take at least 6-7 shots per game. I am sick of this short yardage crap.

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I beg to differ Brunell had all spring and summer he is a professional, he is the leader (supposedly) of the offense, and both his counterpart Brad Johnson and Trent Green certainly do not appear to have the same types of adjustment problems.

In addition we won in spite of Brunell lots of times last year, namely Arizona and would not have even made the playoffs if it was not for our other offensive players and our fantastic D. I am a little tired of yelling at our D yesterday, when clearly it was our offense who did not get it done. Please, those of you ripping on the D, consider the fact that they have and still are the heart and core of our team. :)

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I guess Brunell is torn between to idealolgies. A high powered offense that takes risks (and possibly INTs) and a conservative one that takes care of the ball.

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[quote=TAFKAS;214264]When a team loses the most popular player on the team is always the backup QB. But while there were some poor decisions by Brunell, it wasn't all on him. He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6, he's not the one who left the middle of the field wide open on defense, he's not the one with the late hit, or the missed field goal, or the poor special teams coverage. His knee isn't the one that got busted on the first play damaging our nickel defense.[/quote]

Agreed, but while Brunell wasn’t the only problem, many of his decisions were very questionable. There were a few specific plays last night where Portis came in on 2nd or 3rd and short. The Vikings obviously knew it was a run, so they put NINE in the box. One would think this is a perfect time to run a quick slant or play action, but what happens? Handoff to Portis, right into the middle of nine defenders.

[FONT='Times New Roman'][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]I refuse to believe that Brunell doesn’t have the option to audible in that situation. I think he’s just so scared of making a mistake, that he’ll run the called play, even when he knows it will fail. And while many of you praise the fact that he’ll give up, rather than make a mistake, I can’t stomach the supposed offensive leader of the Redskins playing scared. Watching him throw the ball away on third down, when the closest defender was still four yards from him, was making me sick.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]

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Saunders offense doesn't allow for audibles.

[quote]Where it gets tricky is that there are virtually no audibles: The quarterback and receivers must read the defense quickly and make pre-assigned adjustments.[/quote]

[url=http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=110527&ran=150031]ARTICLE: NFL Preview: Al Saunders on the attack for Redskins (The Virginian-Pilot - HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com)[/url]

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ai'nt brunnels fault!the defense and mr inconsistentt john hall gave this one away!other than having to kick hip shot fgs,the o looked very good!