Once Again,kicking Game Let Us Down
 

once again frost and hall screw us,how can you bring those 2 back after last yr? some of the personel descisions are baffling,theisman said that last yr we were the worst in football where the other teams started their drives,how can you spend all that money on free agents and not upgrade these positions? Gibbs needs to get his head out of his ass and wake up,he's turned control of the off over to saunders,he doesnt coach def,wtf else has he got to do? how about wandering down to special teams and figuring it the fck out

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Frost had one bad punt tonight. Let's lay off him he wasn't a problem.

Hall hit 3 of 4 and missed a long one at the end. I'm not ready to cut him over that.

The game shouldn't have come down to him having to hit a 48 yarder.

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Frost averaged 43.0 per punt tonight by the way.

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I still petition to get Novak back. Haha.

It's not just that John Hall is past his prime, he sucks hard in the clutch.

Definitely not the guy you want it all to come down on in the last seconds like in tonights game.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;214008]I still petition to get Novak back. Haha.

It's not just that John Hall is past his prime, he sucks hard in the clutch.

Definitely not the guy you want it all to come down on in the last seconds like in tonights game.[/QUOTE]
Defense sucked. Can't blame it on the kickers.

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I'm new to this site, but I've been watching this team long enough to know that Hall hasn't hit anything over 40 yards consistently in a long time.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;214007]Frost averaged 43.0 per punt tonight by the way.[/QUOTE]

how can you take up for these guys? frost is gauranteed to shank 1 a game,how many other punters in the league can you say that about? the only good thing i can say about him is at least he kicks it further than hall on kickoffs,but not by much,oh,and nice tackle
as far as hall goes,did you have any confidence he was going to make that kick? I had none,wasnt even dissapointed,I fkin knew it was coming,as far as his other kicks go,those were frickin extra points,I could make those with a week of practice

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[quote=dblanch66;214013]Defense sucked. Can't blame it on the kickers.[/quote]

I definitely agree. The secondary looked like it was in la-la land half the time and the offense couldn't get it done on 3rd down.

There's plenty of blame to be handed around. I just think it shouldn't have all come down on hall. Hes nowhere near consistent and there was 17 seconds left on the clock. I think there were other options than just putting all the weight on his shoulders when the coaches should know by now he's not a clutch kicker.

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[quote=htownskinfan;214019]how can you take up for these guys? frost is gauranteed to shank 1 a game,how many other punters in the league can you say that about? the only good thing i can say about him is at least he kicks it further than hall on kickoffs,but not by much,oh,and nice tackle
as far as hall goes,did you have any confidence he was going to make that kick? I had none,wasnt even dissapointed,I fkin knew it was coming,as far as his other kicks go,those were frickin extra points,I could make those with a week of practice[/quote]

Like I said he hit one bad punt out of 5. For that night he averaged 43.0. Sorry but that's not a problem.

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Frost isn't to blame, but 2 stupid personal foul penalties on Sean Taylor really didn't help us tonight.

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Man i mean guys it hurts losin dis game but wat can we do? What we need to do is go buy a kicker!!!!!! o owell at least we got dallas next wk!!!!!!!!!

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the punting,kicking,and special teams looked awful tonite!wtf,the skins d looks like they did in preseason.hall just plain out stinks as a kicker!you wait,losing this game will keep the skins out of the playoffs,and the vikes ai'nt rel good either.i have a bad feeling that there is gonna be an indian massacre sunday night in dallas!!!!!

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[quote=htownskinfan;214019]how can you take up for these guys? frost is gauranteed to shank 1 a game,how many other punters in the league can you say that about? the only good thing i can say about him is at least he kicks it further than hall on kickoffs,but not by much,oh,and nice tackle
as far as hall goes,did you have any confidence he was going to make that kick? I had none,wasnt even dissapointed,I fkin knew it was coming,as far as his other kicks go,those were frickin extra points,I could make those with a week of practice[/quote]

Dude, I couldn't agree more! I started to get pissed when we didn't go for it on 4th down. Christ, everyone here had to have their doubts about him making that kick. And lets not put this all on Hall.

Betts, please learn how to either dodge a tackle or break a tackle. Our red zone offense was terrible.

Where in the hell was Cooley or Sellars when we were down that close. A super bowl team wins these kind of games, not lose them. No way we should have lost this game. This loss could very well come back to haunt us later in the season. God, this sucks a root.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;214023]Like I said he hit one bad punt out of 5. For that night he averaged 43.0. Sorry but that's not a problem.[/QUOTE]

well i dont agree at all,and you didnt address my hall question,which i guess says ,no,you didnt expect hall to make it either,and yes frost did have a decent night punting,but he had yet another shank,and sometimes he has 2 a game,and it just depends on how much time is left and where we are on the field when he does do his shank on how bad it affects us and is talked about.Tonight his shank came early and was forgot about,and I'm not blaming this loss on hall or frost,the blame can go to a lot of places,the thread was kicking game let us down once again,which it did,not cost us the game
why dont you take a poll: are you happy with our kickers or should we have spent some of our free agent money or draft on upgrading those positions

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Special Teams sucked tonight too. This was bad game all around. If I had to blame one individual though, it would be Taylor. Jesus, doesn't he know when not to play like an idiot?

Forst played good tonight...so lets not point the finger at him.

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Wasn't Longwell a Free Agent this past offseason?

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what about the last play on offense where randle el shyed away from contact and step out of bounds a yard short of the first down marker?? take a hit and go out of bounds

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[quote=htownskinfan;214044]well i dont agree at all,and you didnt address my hall question,which i guess says ,no,you didnt expect hall to make it either,and yes frost did have a decent night punting,but he had yet another shank,and sometimes he has 2 a game,and it just depends on how much time is left and where we are on the field when he does do his shank on how bad it affects us and is talked about.Tonight his shank came early and was forgot about,and I'm not blaming this loss on hall or frost,the blame can go to a lot of places,the thread was kicking game let us down once again,which it did,not cost us the game
why dont you take a poll: are you happy with our kickers or should we have spent some of our free agent money or draft on upgrading those positions[/quote]

I already said my peace about Hall.

The game shouldn't have come down to him having to hit a 48 yarder to tie.

Sorry I still fail to see your point on Frost. He hit 4 quality punts out of 5. His performance didn't have an impact on the final score.

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not only can Hall NOT kick anything outside of 30 yards, he has a big fat beer gut I got tired of seeing flop around everytime he'd trot out on the field.

He's a joke and has been for a few years now, should have picked up Vinattari...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;214003]Frost had one bad punt tonight. Let's lay off him he wasn't a problem.

Hall hit 3 of 4 and missed a long one at the end. I'm not ready to cut him over that.

The game shouldn't have come down to him having to hit a 48 yarder.[/QUOTE]


Matty, I completely disagree with your last statement. When the offense busts its ass (with no time outs) to get you into FG range, your kicker has got to make that kick. It wasn't as though we were asking him to make a 57 yarder. He had the range in pre-game warm ups to make 52. He's got to make that kick.

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yeah the kicking game needs attention, but we lost due to not stopping them on 3rd downs!!!! 3rd down conversions killed us!!!! they were 9-17 on 3rd downs and it seemed they were better then 53% even though hall missed it you cant really blame him solely. blame the D if you want to say someone let us down.

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The defense was a bigger letdown than Hall missing that kick.

We gave up way too many 3rd down conversions. The game shouldn't have been that close.

We also needed to come away with another TD when we got in the redzone.

A 48 yarder isn't exactly a chip shot, and the Vikings got pressure too which caused Hall to rush it a bit.

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The late hit on Sean Taylor was BS. The facemask penalty was correctly called.

What stood out to me tonight was how the secondary got shredded. I've wondered for a long time about Carlos Rogers. Maybe he still needs to mature as a player, but he had a rough night. So did Wright. So did Rumph. So did Archuleta.

Pass defense is going to be a serious problem until Springs gets back. Add this to the fact that there was STILL no consistent pass rush outside of Demetric Evans, and you've got quite a dilemma on defense. I was surprised at how conservative Gregg Williams was tonight. Not many blitzes -- for the most of the game, he had everybody sit back and stay in their zones, only to get picked apart. Andre Carter was non-existant, (as I feared he would be) and Daniels got banged up. So far, I've seen nothing to indicate that these two defensive ends are anything special.

Bottom line ... I shudder to think what Owens, Glenn and Witten will do to this secondary next Sunday night.

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Arent you guys worried we cant score more than 20 pts in a game?How many times last season did we, not too many.Giving up 19 pts isnt that bad considering how bad the defense played.We cant win without scoring TDs too many field goals.

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[quote=Beemnseven;214077]The late hit on Sean Taylor was BS. The facemask penalty was correctly called.

What stood out to me tonight was how the secondary got shredded. I've wondered for a long time about Carlos Rogers. Maybe he still needs to mature as a player, but he had a rough night. So did Wright. So did Rumph. So did Archuleta.

Pass defense is going to be a serious problem until Springs gets back. Add this to the fact that there was STILL no consistent pass rush outside of Demetric Evans, and you've got quite a dilemma on defense. I was surprised at how conservative Gregg Williams was tonight. Not many blitzes -- for the most of the game, he had everybody sit back and stay in their zones, only to get picked apart. Andre Carter was non-existant, (as I feared he would be) and Daniels got banged up. So far, I've seen nothing to indicate that these two defensive ends are anything special.

Bottom line ... I shudder to think what Owens, Glenn and Witten will do to this secondary next Sunday night.[/quote]

Look at the Vikes offensive line, specifically that left side, and you can see why we didn't generate much pressure. Take away Springs and of course GW can't be as aggressive.

The Cowboys don't have that kind of an offensive line.

It will be a different story next week.

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The D was bad but the O was as bad. You can't win many games going 4-12 in third downs while the Vikings were 8-16. Our O line has some holes and back ups are thin at best. If you can't run it is hard to pass.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;214003]Frost had one bad punt tonight. Let's lay off him he wasn't a problem.

Hall hit 3 of 4 and missed a long one at the end. I'm not ready to cut him over that.

The game shouldn't have come down to him having to hit a 48 yarder.[/QUOTE]

He has missed one kick too many for me, its not really about to tonight...he's missed soooooooo many feild goals over the past three seasons, in clutch situations that its time to let him go. A NFL Kicker needs to make a 47 yard feild goal 4 times out of 5, and he has missed enough feild goals for me to see him go tommraow. He's got more job security than the freaking president right now.

I dont want an NFL kicker that can make 24 yarders all day long, because you can find a good division three soccer player to do that, we need someone who can win games for us. Theres a reason Mark Mosley was the MVP; and thats because he was the difference in alot of games. Hall has had the chance to be the difference in alot of games just going through last year....TB1, SD, SEA playoff game, Tonight...the guy has to come through once in a while, and since the 2003 season, he hasent.

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[quote=Mattyk72;214072]The defense was a bigger letdown than Hall missing that kick.

We gave up way too many 3rd down conversions. The game shouldn't have been that close.

We also needed to come away with another TD when we got in the redzone.

A 48 yarder isn't exactly a chip shot, and the Vikings got pressure too which caused Hall to rush it a bit.[/quote]

Are you kidding, Matty I hope you saw Hall's other two kicks, they barely went in, and looked terrible, yeah defense was bad, Hall was worst.

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Ok so let's cut Hall tomorrow after going 3 of 4.

Who do we bring in?

Please don't say Novak.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;214089]Look at the Vikes offensive line, specifically that left side, and you can see why we didn't generate much pressure. Take away Springs and of course GW can't be as aggressive.
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The Vikings have assembled a good line, no question. But Andre Carter was brought here to answer that.

Springs being out only makes it more vital that there be more pressure from the front four.

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[quote=hooskins;214108]Are you kidding, Matty I hope you saw Hall's other two kicks, they barely went in, and looked terrible, yeah defense was bad, Hall was worst.[/quote]

What's there to kid about?

Our defense was horrible on 3rd downs.

The offense stunk in the redzone.

Yet some people want to keep pointing at Hall.

I don't get it. He wasn't the main reason we lost. Not even close.

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[quote=Hail2em;214071]yeah the kicking game needs attention, but we lost due to not stopping them on 3rd downs!!!! 3rd down conversions killed us!!!![/quote]
Exactly.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;214108]Are you kidding, Matty I hope you saw Hall's other two kicks, they barely went in, and looked terrible, yeah defense was bad, Hall was worst.[/QUOTE]

During an NFL season Kicking will win you two or more games or not. Hall should have been cut and replaced long before tonight. Now we will have to live with it.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre;214112]Exactly.[/QUOTE] Yes they were 8-16 and we were 4-12. Not good at all!

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The game should not have come down to that. Period. We should have replaced Hall this offseason, but now that we didn't, I'm not going to want to see him cut during the season.

It's kicking game. Take the good with the bad.

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45 yard field goals should be make-able in the NFL...can you say you would trust Hall to make those? I mean, come on, he missed badly, very badly. I really hate his demeanor. He has this "I don't give a f***" attitude just before he is kicking and right after he misses a kick. I really hate the guy now because he is not reliable and what good is a kicker if you can't rely on him to make the clutch kicks?

I really would have no problem whatsoever if we cut him tomorrow and bring back Novak.

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What about Carlos Rogers? Everytime I looked up he was letting another WR get by. He scared me just as much as Hall, at least I know Hall sucks. Was it just me, or did it look like Taylor was the only person trying on that defense, and credit to him for striking fear in the hearts of all recievers.

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It was a 48 yarder. Makeable, sure. Chip shot? Not exactly.

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[quote=LMsexyAO;214126]What about Carlos Rogers? Everytime I looked up he was letting another WR get by. He scared me just as much as Hall, at least I know Hall sucks. Was it just me, or did it look like Taylor was the only person trying on that defense, and credit to him for striking fear in the hearts of all recievers.[/quote]
Did you notice that even when he got beat (and nothing came of it), he was stomping like he did something? And he got beat a lot tonight. I'm beginning to worry about our defense.

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When Hall lined up to kick that 47 yarder, it felt like a 67 yarder.
It wasn't REMOTELY close. Good snap, hold, and protection, but the ball may have hit the pylon. He can't kick off, there is something seriously wrong with this guy. We can spend 30+mil in a Arch, but can't address the kicking game? As much as Gibbs stresses 'Teams', I just have never understood this.