Is Duckett's presence going to piss off CP??
 

The arrival of Duckett wasnt a warm welcome among our RB's today to say the least. Naturally b/c someone will have to sell their home, leave their comfort zone with a team, say bye to friends,not get a SB ring and move to the next town. Its kinda sad to see these pro athletes to travel so much but the days of franchise players like Ripken or R.Lewis who mean so much to the town and club they are cemented there forever seem to be gone. However, this is a business and even civilians face this day to day.

The Defense I know will appreciate it so they dont have to worry about that matchup later in the season against Atl. This move will keep the Offense on the field longer or may backfire and well score 80 yd TD on the first play giving the Defense no rest. Those guys Im sure may have formed a bond with Betts(assuming he's traded) but would rather have a trophy and ring over a couple year bond.

I hope Portis can understand the bigger picture here to get to the super bowl but he seems like the type of territorial player that this is going to be a problem for his ego. With Betts Portis knew who was the Boss, but TJ is a grown man also who was picked before him in the draft so I hope there isnt any Alpha male issues yet to unfold. Portis has to know he will be our #1 guy and co-face of the team for years, but nowdays players can have such hissy fits to want to up and leave. CP said earlier he wants to be done by the 3rd qtr laughing on the sideline. This move seems he may just get that often. Its a bad vibe of chemistry I am hoping will swing positive.

Do you guys think Duckett's arrival will disrupt or be a problem for Portis ????

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I think it will be positive. He'll have the outside runs and duckett will take all the contact busting up the gut of the defense. As for betts, i honestly believe he will be traded away in the next few weeks or so. You know he has to feel unwanted right about now. I think this trade said more about betts than portis. Portis knows he's the man and no one will take that away from him as long as he is in Washington. Portis is a gibbs guy. See you later Betts.

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I think you're right that this is more about Betts than Portis. I think after last season, Gibbs saw what happened when Patten and Thrash were both out and he was down to Farris and Jacobs lining up with Moss. So he went out and added both El and Lloyd to ensure he had depth. I think this summer he saw Portis get hurt looked down the bench and saw Betts and thought "If Bro Sweets goes down at any point can I count on this guy?" And I think his answer was, at best, "I'm not sure." They got by with those injuries last year and through sheer will got to the divisional playoffs.

But this year isn't about getting by or just making it to the playoffs, it's about winning the whole thing. So he had to be proactive and make a move now

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I KNOW. It was a trick question.GOTCHA. Portis is the man. TJ is a bulldozer collecting TD's and leads. Betts couldnt get to the next level and he's bye bye. And Gibbs is crushed underneath all the Lombardi's falling into his lap should he choose to reside with us for many years.

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If you read his response in the other article it seems like he doesnt give a shit. He knows his job is secure, so it doesn't really matter. Betts and Rock may have differing opinions, on the other hand.

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[quote=TAFKAS;207418]I think you're right that this is more about Betts than Portis. I think after last season, Gibbs saw what happened when Patten and Thrash were both out and he was down to Farris and Jacobs lining up with Moss. So he went out and added both El and Lloyd to ensure he had depth. I think this summer he saw Portis get hurt looked down the bench and saw Betts and thought "If Bro Sweets goes down at any point can I count on this guy?" And I think his answer was, at best, "I'm not sure." They got by with those injuries last year and through sheer will got to the divisional playoffs.

But this year isn't about getting by or just making it to the playoffs, it's about winning the whole thing. So he had to be proactive and make a move now[/quote]

Gibbs has the best insurance company in the league SNYDER. Is this a slap in the face to teams not picking up the phone or is it subliminal to these players to want to come to DC where they are HOT FIRE. HOT FIRE.

Stevie Wonder tried to sign me, I said Stevie you dont even have a record label to sign me, so Dan Syder signed me.

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portis wants all the rest he can get, and if portis doesn't comeback as soon as we think, then we have 2 more-than-capable backs to carry the load for a couple weeks, and if betts is traded then we still have a capable back in duckett. i think portis will love this because this means that he doesn't have to take such a beating during the season

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I think he is a proud young man though, sharing time is one thing, but I know he keep tab and admires his accomplishments I hope this isnt going to be problem later. He did have talk and hopes of 2k YDS so I know he wants to be the best and reap all the fame too. We'll see.

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MightyJoeGibbs you need to empty your PM's...

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=19095]Trade Reaction: Surprise, Optimism[/url]

Gibbs says "Park the bulldozer behind the mercedes"

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not at all cuz CP will now have a reliable back give him a breather and be able to heal properly and not come back too early. plus with all the money CP's making he could probably care less about a less talented guy on a one year contract joining the rb group. as others have said, the only ones who should be pissed/worried r the other back ups.

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Nah, it's not going to bother Portis, he's still our main guy and when healthy he'll get the bulk of the work.

Betts, Cartwright and Sellers are the guys that are upset.

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Rich Eisen said last night on NFL TA that Rock Cartwright said it was like a slap in the face. I think he is taking this way to personal. Players are quick to point out that this is a buisness first when they are negotiating a contract but they expect some kind of loyalty when it comes to aquiring new talent.

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I would have to say to them, "Stop whining." If you had the talent or the skills, then YOU'D be starting and they wouldn't have to worry about signing other talent. That's where you need to put your ego away and realize that this is for the good of the team and you're ON the team.

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CP won't give a crap as long as the skins win football games. I really think CP is a team first guy and he realizes that Duckett will bring the pain on short yardage and goal line situations which will keep CP fresh for another playoff run.

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very selfish if you ask me. not exactly what gibbs is looking for in a player. cartwright was all about being a "team player' last season. oh how quickly attitudes change.

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[quote=jbcjr14;207514]CP won't give a crap as long as the skins win football games. I really think CP is a team first guy and he realizes that Duckett will bring the pain on short yardage and goal line situations which will keep CP fresh for another playoff run.[/quote]

So would you go out on a limb and say that your prediction for TJ is pain?

He kind of DOES look like Clubber Lang.

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[QUOTE=MightyJoeGibbs;207409]

I hope Portis can understand the bigger picture here to get to the super bowl but he seems like the type of territorial player that this is going to be a problem for his ego. [/QUOTE]

Portis tried to recruit Edge, so we could have that amazing one two punch. I don't think he's territorial and doesn't mind splitting carries. He's been nothing but a team player since he came here. I think he's thrilled.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;207515]very selfish if you ask me. not exactly what gibbs is looking for in a player. cartwright was all about being a "team player' last season. oh how quickly attitudes change.[/quote]

Seriously. Did he really go home and night and say, "Damn. I really have what it takes to start in this league." Sure, you have to have some self-confidence, but you also have to be realistic too.

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Rock needs to step back and realize that he is important on special teams and that's where his bread and butter lies. He's never going to be a star running back in this league, maybe not even a starter. Betts could start and maybe be above average, but his injuries obviously caused some worry.

On a positive note, I read that Portis is ahead of schedule on rehab.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;207511]Rich Eisen said last night on NFL TA that Rock Cartwright said it was like a slap in the face. I think he is taking this way to personal. Players are quick to point out that this is a buisness first when they are negotiating a contract but they expect some kind of loyalty when it comes to aquiring new talent.[/quote]

C'mon now, how would you feel in the same situation?

I can definitely understand that some guys are a little irked right now. Trust me though, they will fall in line or they'll be out of here. Once the dust settles and everyone understands their new role, things will be fine.

I think it's very unrealistic of us to expect guys to just take this in stride and not be upset, at least initially. If things don't calm down eventually, then I would have a problem with things. But right now these guys are justified in being pissed.

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I think the only guy with a legitimate beef here is Mike Sellars. He was given a more expanded role in the offense this year and now that T.J. Duckett now named Clubber Lang (credit to TheMalcolmConnection) is here he takes touches away from him. I think putting Clubber and Sellars in the backfield together will cause all kinds of problems for opposing defenses. Betts and Cartwright should relax but I understand where they may feel a little low because they "thought" they were the next in line. I say to them I was at the Jets game, you guys are not the next in line. If there is a spot that should be improved you best fix it now. I didn't see Betts and Cartwright talking about how they felt bad for Thrash and Jacobs when Lloyd and Randel El were brought in. Calm down Rock, be a monster on Special Teams so Brian Baldinger can talk about your name every 5 min. Are the Skins good enough now that we don't have to sit through his horrible commentary this year ?

Eff this whining and complaining. Betts will be traded to the Jets, I picked him up on my Fantasy Team as insurance so we'll see what that prick does for me when he gets his shot. I hope they run a formation with Portis, Duckett, and Sellars in the backfield at the same time ! Man, I can't wait !

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;207516]So would you go out on a limb and say that your prediction for TJ is pain?

He kind of DOES look like Clubber Lang.[/QUOTE]

Yes...lmfao!

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;207515]very selfish if you ask me. not exactly what gibbs is looking for in a player. cartwright was all about being a "team player' last season. oh how quickly attitudes change.[/QUOTE]


This type attitude is common in situations like this because guys feel the addition will be a subtraction for their ability to showcase their talents. However, like Matty said earlier, they will fall in line once the dust clears.

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[quote=Longtimefan;207528]This type attitude is common in situations like this because guys feel the addition will be a subtraction for their ability to showcase their talents. However, like Matty said earlier, they will fall in line once the dust clears.[/quote]

I think most of us would feel this way, I know I would. If management brought in a new young guy from another company, gave him the new mop and said, "here, this guy is here to help you out" when I thought I was cleaning the floors just fine on my own, I would be upset too.

The difference is, I would have kept my mouth shut in front of the media.

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Rock should be smarter than that, keep his mouth shut and let his play on the field take care of this. Talking about team issues in the press is a quick way to get your ass cut!

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Tj is garbage to me so I don't think he's a threat

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Portis is absolutely furious about TJ being here. He had drafted himself in the first round for his fantasy team and now his entire fantasy team is shot.

Are you kidding? Portis has got to be thrilled about all of these off season offensive additions.

For Rock, Betts, Nemo, etc., it's a little stressful. I'm sure feelings are hurt. Too effing bad. This isn't a feel good social club. Quit whining like a 4 year old to the press, man up or get ready to play for the Jets.

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Guys, the NFL Insider that Rich Eisen talks to on his show Adam Sheffied (misspelled name) said this morning that he sat down with Portis in his back yard the other day and Portis said he is not rushing back from this injury and Adam felt like that meant he would be missing the Monday night opener against the Vikings. T.J. is insurance for all of our RB injuries. Portis is hurt and Betts can't stay on the field, and Gibbs does not want to open the season with Rock in the backfield. MAN, I hope Portis starts against the Vikes.

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Gibbs said Portis was ahead of schedule in his rehab. You'd think that would mean he would play in the opener.

On the other hand, it could also mean that they'll give him an extra week of rest because I think Duckett can handle the Vikes.

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Clinton's first year with Gibbs he was used as a battering ram - Riggins style. Clinton was vocal about that really being his style as his body type wasn't built for that. The next year Clinton added pounds to take the pounding resulting in good success. This year under Saunders offense Cinton has shed those extra pounds back to where his "natural" playing weight is.

If you ask him does he want someone else in there busting up the middle on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and goal, I think you'll get an affirmative answer on that. TJ's role will only help lengthen his durability and career.

I've moved into "very supportive" viewpoint of this trade over the last 24 hours.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;207535]Gibbs said Portis was ahead of schedule in his rehab. You'd think that would mean he would play in the opener.

On the other hand, it could also mean that they'll give him an extra week of rest because I think Duckett can handle the Vikes.[/quote]

Malcom, I think T.J could handle the Vikes as well, but so much for Clinton's 2000 yard season. My guess is that he is really limited this year, unless that shoulder gets healthy in a hurry. What would be great is that he starts on Monday night, but only gets 15 carries and T.J. "spells" him often.

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this will be a very good thing regardless of whether CP is ready for the opener. i feel confident that TJ can handle the load if he ends up sitting out. i'd rather him sit out the first week or 2 than reaggravate it and have it either keep him out or nag him the entire season.

and if they both play it keeps them both fresher until the playoffs come.

another thing is... to be honest i dont care about either betts or cartwright. i understand they both have important special teams roles but i feel we have the talent to make up for that. if one of them has to go, so be it.

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I dont think we have to worry about Portis being pissed off. He knows he is the man and he is going to get the bulk of the carries if he is healthy enough. If you remember he lobbied Snyder to go out and get Edge when he was a free agent. Portis (to our benefit) is more concerned with winning that individual stats. The only ones that will have issues with this is Betts (because he isn't as good as he thinks) Rock and Sellers. Nemo, CYA!! nice knowing ya! The only person we need to worry about is Portis and he welcomes anything brought to this team that will win games.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;207409]The arrival of Duckett wasnt a warm welcome among our RB's today to say the least. Naturally b/c someone will have to sell their home, leave their comfort zone with a team, say bye to friends,not get a SB ring and move to the next town. Its kinda sad to see these pro athletes to travel so much but the days of franchise players like Ripken or R.Lewis who mean so much to the town and club they are cemented there forever seem to be gone. However, this is a business and even civilians face this day to day.

The Defense I know will appreciate it so they dont have to worry about that matchup later in the season against Atl. This move will keep the Offense on the field longer or may backfire and well score 80 yd TD on the first play giving the Defense no rest. Those guys Im sure may have formed a bond with Betts(assuming he's traded) but would rather have a trophy and ring over a couple year bond.

I hope Portis can understand the bigger picture here to get to the super bowl but he seems like the type of territorial player that this is going to be a problem for his ego. With Betts Portis knew who was the Boss, but TJ is a grown man also who was picked before him in the draft so I hope there isnt any Alpha male issues yet to unfold. Portis has to know he will be our #1 guy and co-face of the team for years, but nowdays players can have such hissy fits to want to up and leave. CP said earlier he wants to be done by the 3rd qtr laughing on the sideline. This move seems he may just get that often. Its a bad vibe of chemistry I am hoping will swing positive.

Do you guys think Duckett's arrival will disrupt or be a problem for Portis ????[/quote]

Portis is all football. He wants that ring and I think he knows that this addition to the Skins will help get it. I don't think he'll be upset by it at all once he sees how much help it will be to him - meaning he's not having to push to to the goal line after he has made big runs to get us there.

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[QUOTE=scowan;207537]Malcom, I think T.J could handle the Vikes as well, but so much for Clinton's 2000 yard season. My guess is that he is really limited this year, unless that shoulder gets healthy in a hurry. What would be great is that he starts on Monday night, but only gets 15 carries and T.J. "spells" him often.[/QUOTE]
If Portis wasnt hurt at all or if it was something that is not as serious as a dislocated sholder then by all means let him play against Minnisota. But being that Portis is hurt and it is a dislocated shoulder then I think that we should hold Portis out week 1 and play him week 2. No need to have Portis hurt against a team that we should be able to beat anyways...

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[quote=reidskind;207532]Tj is garbage to me so I don't think he's a threat[/quote]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvgQDM5433U]YouTube - T.J. Duckett Highlights[/url]

yea, not a threat at all

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I forgot all about that Falcons game against the Skins in 2003. Duckett was a madman in that game. I remember thinking then what a freak he was, nobody that big should be able to move like that.

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[quote=scowan;207537]Malcom, I think T.J could handle the Vikes as well, but so much for Clinton's 2000 yard season. My guess is that he is really limited this year, unless that shoulder gets healthy in a hurry. What would be great is that he starts on Monday night, but only gets 15 carries and T.J. "spells" him often.[/quote]

I'd rather have a fresh and dangerous Portis at the end of the season and through the playoffs rather than a broken down Portis like last year.

If that means he runs for 1200 or 1300 yards vs. 1500 yards so be it.

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Duckett will probably be used on short yardage situations... how about a "wishbone" formation inside the 5: Duckett, Sellers, and Rock lined up behind Brunell, any one of them is an outstanding lead blocker, followed by another lead blocker followed by a runner who if hit can still make it across the goal line from the 5.