Jets interested in Betts?
 

What do you guys make of this? I say there's no way we trade him unless the Jets come with an outstanding offer.

[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/442453p-372653c.html"][COLOR=#0000ff]Betts on Jets' radar[/COLOR][/URL]
August 11
New York Daily News (scroll down): "With Curtis Martin's career in jeopardy, the Jets are eager to see if Derrick Blaylock and Cedric Houston can do the job. If not, they almost certainly will trade for a veteran. The Redskins' Ladell Betts has emerged as a possibility."

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[quote=Mattyk72;202386]What do you guys make of this? I say there's no way we trade him unless the Jets come with an outstanding offer.

[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/442453p-372653c.html"][COLOR=#0000ff]Betts on Jets' radar[/COLOR][/URL]
August 11
New York Daily News (scroll down): "With Curtis Martin's career in jeopardy, the Jets are eager to see if Derrick Blaylock and Cedric Houston can do the job. If not, they almost certainly will trade for a veteran. The Redskins' Ladell Betts has emerged as a possibility."[/quote]

There is no way Gibbs would ever ever ever ever ever ever ever trade Ladell Betts. Unless it was for two first rounders.

These rumors are stemming from either the Jets' front office who may simply be brainstorming, trying to think of teams with great RB depth; or from the Jets' fans/media who remember the recent trades and deals between the 'Skins and Jets, and think they might partner up for a deal once again.

As soon as this issue is presented to Gibbs, I can 100% guarantee you his answer will be something to the effect of "Ladell Betts is not available."

End of story.

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[quote=Schneed10;202387]There is no way Gibbs would ever ever ever ever ever ever ever trade Ladell Betts. Unless it was for two first rounders.

These rumors are stemming from either the Jets' front office who may simply be brainstorming, trying to think of teams with great RB depth; or from the Jets' fans/media who remember the recent trades and deals between the 'Skins and Jets, and think they might partner up for a deal once again.

As soon as this issue is presented to Gibbs, I can 100% guarantee you his answer will be something to the effect of "Ladell Betts is not available."

End of story.[/quote]

Why so confident that Gibbs won't trade him? He's a free agent after this season & maybe they done the #s & realize they won't be able to offer him much. He'll want to go somewhere he can start too, & that will only be by injury here.
If we do trade him, we better get something big in return, we've been hookin the Jets up w/sweet deals for far too long, even our draft day trade to get Rocky was way too one-sided. Who do they have that we need?

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schneed, why are you so confident that betts will not be traded? i say if we get a good enough offer, goodbye to betts. but the offer has to be good

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[quote=freddyg12;202389]Why so confident that Gibbs won't trade him? He's a free agent after this season & maybe they done the #s & realize they won't be able to offer him much. He'll want to go somewhere he can start too, & that will only be by injury here.
If we do trade him, we better get something big in return, we've been hookin the Jets up w/sweet deals for far too long, even our draft day trade to get Rocky was way too one-sided. Who do they have that we need?[/quote]

1) Player for player trades in the NFL are extremely rare. If we traded Betts, it would be for picks. But we won't trade him because...

2) You do realize Joe Gibbs is the coach of the 'Skins right? He values depth soooo much. Rock Cartwright is alright at times, and Lumsden is looking good in camp, but in the end do you see Gibbs trusting the backup job to either of those guys? No way in hell.

3) Saunders LOVES Ladell Betts. He has said that Betts is capable of big things in this league, and compared his skill set to that of Priest Holmes (not a quality comparison, just a style comparison). Saunders has said that Ladell is a complete back, capable of running hard, catching passes reliably, and picking up blitzes consistently. He has also said that Betts and Portis have unique skill sets, and in certain situations, he'll put them both in the same backfield to create matchup problems with the defense.

Just pay attention to the coaching staff. There's no way they're trading this guy.

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Betts is too important to our RB depth to trade him.

Think about it, if Portis went down would you want Cartwright becoming the featured guy?? Please.

Once again, Betts is too important to trade. I agree with Schneed 110%. There's no way we deal him.

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We're gunning for a Super Bowl run, what good is a draft pick going to do us right now? Nothing. Besides, this front office really doesn't place much emphasis on building via the draft. I really can't think of one realistic reason why we would deal him.

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I've got to go with Scheed and Matty on this.

Betts is too important to the team's depth to let him go right now. I understand that we could lose him to free agency at the end of the season but at least that would give the front office time to look for a replacement. There's almost no time before the season starts to get a back-up that the team would feel comfortable with, IMO, especially since the coaching staff seems to like Betts so much.

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I know one thing, if Portis went down, I definitely wouldn't want Rock Cartwright or Jesse Lumsden in there as the last line of defense for picking up blitzing linebackers. While I'm eager to see what Jason Campbell can do, in no way do I want to see Brunell get hurt. We tend to think about the running production from a RB more than anything, and the tendency is to forget about the pass protection. But an RBs role as a pass blocker is just as important as anything. We've all read it and said it over and over, Brunell's health is key to the 'Skins success in 2006. So let's keep him healthy and pretty please make sure we are two-deep with solid pass blocking RBs.

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I agree with schneed as i think betts means more to us than he would mean to the jets or anyother team. We value him more than anyone else would. Our coaches are in love with him and feel he is as valuable as an extremely high pick but the jets probably don't think so. We wouldn't be able to reach an agreement.

Betts to me is very important to this team. He and clinton should be splitting the carries. It will be very important for him to do well and stay on this team.

THe only thing that i think that might make this happen is our depth. Everyone loves rock and jessie is playing well. Jesse and nemo are bigger backs than betts so i think they could make up for his loss on the goalline. I really hope jesse makes this team. He really makes me excited.

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What about for a first round pick? Knowing the Jets, that would probably be a top 5 pick next year.

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This is an interesting debate. I agree that Betts is very valuable to the Skins and they would be unlikely to trade him BUT the thing to remember here is that every player in the league has a price.

Remember Portis = Bailey

If the deal was sweet enough Gibbs and Co. would have to take it seriously.

Would you trade Betts for a top notch O-lineman right now and picks?

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Let's assume that the Jets have a top 5 pick next year, like another poster said (they suck, so that's reasonable). If we traded Betts for the Jets' first round pick next year, who would be available? Any college football nuts out there? That Guy?

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Adrian Peterson

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;202433]Adrian Peterson[/quote]

Damn. How could I forget about him? He's definitely good, but would we draft him? Maybe we'd just trade that top pick? I remember a monster FB from Nebraska (I think) ... the Hebrew Hammer? Did he come out? I've always been a fan.

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Betts isn't going anywhere. Saunders has been singing his praises all offseason and Gibbs has been effusive in his praise since he took over. Portis and Betts (when healthy) are a potent a 1-2 punch as there is in the NFC.

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[QUOTE=Red Robert;202415]This is an interesting debate. I agree that Betts is very valuable to the Skins and they would be unlikely to trade him BUT the thing to remember here is that every player in the league has a price.

Remember Portis = Bailey

If the deal was sweet enough Gibbs and Co. would have to take it seriously.

Would you trade Betts for a top notch O-lineman right now and picks?[/QUOTE]

An O-lineman to replace who?

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Possibilities available in Top 5:
Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
Michael Bush, Louisville
Kenny Irons, Auburn
Marshawn Lynch, Cal
Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois

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Betts for a first rounder?

That wouldn't even happen in Madden.

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yeah, if they offer a first i would gift rap him myself. I would think they don't even offer anything above a 4th. A second is where we would do it. Like i said, we value him much more than anyone else will.

I think we can afford to trade a RB though. I like rock a lot like everyone but i wonder if someone would be interested in him. Rock has the least to offer to us. I think jesse and ladell both have more physical power and ability. Rock is just a fan favorite but Jesse is looking great.

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For a first or second rounder (which is doubtful), I'd say think about it. First rounder for sure, but seriously, we can't trade this guy. I think Matty pointed it out earlier, this is the time where we have the absolute best look at a title run since I can remember (99', but even then I felt like we were waiting to lose in the playoffs). Betts is going to be a huge part of this team, and Portis carried a enorums(sp) load last season and is going to need a break. I love Rock Cartwright as much as the next guy, but if he's our #1 running back, were in trouble.

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This discussion has entered the realm of the ridiculous when we start mentioning Adrian Peterson as a potential replacement for Ladell Betts.

1) Betts would NEVER command a first round pick in an era where Duante Culpepper only garnered a 2nd rounder, and RBs like Edge couldn't garner anything close to a first rounder last year.

2) Why in God's name would we draft Adrian Peterson when we already have a star RB in Portis who stays healthy and is a complete back? You'd draft Peterson to be a backup? Or were you "just saying."

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Apparently, John Riggins said that the coaches are amazed by Jesse Lumsden and want to see how he performs in the preseason. If he does very well, and they decide they can trust him, it does seem possible to me that Ladell Betts could be traded.

We have a serious weakness on the offensive line in terms of proven depth. Joe Gibbs is comfortable with but not confident in the depth there. We need a solid offensive lineman more than we need Betts - if Lumsden proves to be the real deal in the preseason.

You have to be open to players emerging to surprise you if you are a coach. And you can't get so attached to a backup running back that you can't conceive of trading him for a real position of need if you have someone who is emerging who could be special at his position.

It's all speculation right now, but if the Jets have a good offensive lineman to trade to us, I think that is a real possibility.

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I'll agree with that to a certain extent. I would say that Betts is in the top five in terms of backup running backs in the league.

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Keep your hands off Betts, New Jersey Jets.

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[quote=Oakland Red;202448]Apparently, John Riggins said that the coaches are amazed by Jesse Lumsden and want to see how he performs in the preseason. If he does very well, and they decide they can trust him, it does seem possible to me that Ladell Betts could be traded.

We have a serious weakness on the offensive line in terms of proven depth. Joe Gibbs is comfortable with but not confident in the depth there. We need a solid offensive lineman more than we need Betts - if Lumsden proves to be the real deal in the preseason.

You have to be open to players emerging to surprise you if you are a coach. And you can't get so attached to a backup running back that you can't conceive of trading him for a real position of need if you have someone who is emerging who could be special at his position.

It's all speculation right now, but if the Jets have a good offensive lineman to trade to us, I think that is a real possibility.[/quote]

I'm sorry but I completely disagree. Lumsden is showing that he's solid at running the ball, for sure. But has he shown he can pick up blitzes yet?

Not gonna happen. I'll go on record and you can hold my ass to the fire if you want. Absolutely not possible.

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How about I just light your Country Music Award on fire instead?

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Lumsden hype = Sultan McCollough = Kevin Watson etc. etc.

that said, we've always won out dealing with the Jets. even considering Lav, Morton and Hall. i mean Randy Thomas and Santana. we could always use another solid lineman...

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Too bad we couldn't have shafted them for Kevin Mawae for a season or two.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;202472]How about I just light your Country Music Award on fire instead?[/quote]
"Are you gonna light my [I]ass[/I] on fire?"
fantastic reference

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Excellent. I knew it would be you or TAFKAS who got it.

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You have to really see jesse in action to understand why there is all that hype around him. I think that he is worth a shot. I can't wait to see him against real competition this weekend. I am most looking forward to looking at him and andre on Sunday. I was really upset to see jesse out yesterday. I didn't hear what the problem with him was, will he be ready on Sunday?

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What I don't like is having good players getting to play with scrubs in the second or third string. If he's really good, I'd love to see him play with the first string a little bit.

BSB, I heard he has a hip injury, should be back today.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;202479]Too bad we couldn't have shafted them for Kevin Mawae for a season or two.[/QUOTE]

exactly. or Abraham before.

hope the new coach doesn't ruin our nice player acquistion relationship we have with them.

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I would trade him for a second and a conditional third based on how he preformed. He is great for our team but he can be even better as trade bait.
Imagine the possibilties if they have a horrible season and they end up with the first pick overall, we automaticly get the 1st pick of the second round. Especially if a kid like adrian peterson falls to the second because of injury or something we can get a chance at him. If betts wants the opportunity, I say let him have it.

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This reminds me a lot of the Ramsey situation last year. One difference is Betts is in the final year of his deal, and likely will not resign. The other difference is that I feel far more comfortable with Rock Cartwright starting at RB for a week than I would have felt if Jason Campbell had to play the must win game vs. the Giants. I guess this could be a good way for Lumsden to become a big part of the team.

With all that said, I would only deal him for a 2nd rounder or better, and only because the Jets 2nd rounder figures to be so high.

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the only difference in this and the ramsey situation is we aren't looking to trade Betts, so we are in the position of power. while the ramsey trade we were getting shafted

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;202472]How about I just light your Country Music Award on fire instead?[/QUOTE] lol, funny movie!

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Sunshine on my god damn shoulders John Denver!

Betts isn't going anywhere, case closed.

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I hate to break up this like-fest, but this is from sports illustrated's truth and rumors section:
[I]The Jets continue monitoring running backs around the league. The latest indications out of Denver are that Ron Dayne would be easier to pry from the Broncos than Tatum Bell.
-- [B]Newsday[/B][/I]

Here's the link
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/08/11/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html]SI.com - Scorecard Daily - NFL Truth & Rumors: Aug. 11 - Friday August 11, 2006 11:15AM[/url]

EDIT: the next one, that I hadn't read yet, was the one about Betts