Simply put, FEMA sucks!!
 

ladies and gentlemen, our tax dollars at work!!

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this is digusting and i hope heads will roll when all is said and done!

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not the first time they've screwed up royally.

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[quote=That Guy]not the first time they've screwed up royally.[/quote]true but this is extreme. we are talking BILLIONS of dollars here.

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this administration has one screw up after another. thats what you get when you appoint friends to high positions instead of qualified people

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[quote=gibbsisgod]true but this is extreme. we are talking BILLIONS of dollars here.[/quote]

I'd say the drastic mismanagement that got a lot of people killed unnecessarily was pretty extreme too, since, you know, their entire job is to prevent that.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]this administration has one screw up after another. thats what you get when you appoint friends to high positions instead of qualified people[/QUOTE]
Exactly how did anyone associated with Bush have anything to do with this? That is a moronic statement. I am not saying the Bush administration hasn't screwed up but let's not lay EVERYTHING at their feet. There is enough stuff that CAN be blamed on them without heaping on stuff that really can't.

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[quote=FRPLG]Exactly how did anyone associated with Bush have anything to do with this? That is a moronic statement. I am not saying the Bush administration hasn't screwed up but let's not lay EVERYTHING at their feet. There is enough stuff that CAN be blamed on them without heaping on stuff that really can't.[/quote]

uhh, bush appointed an inept guy to be the head of fema (his previous experience totalled running some sort of arabian horse racing league). It's a very valid point here.

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Bush is the biggest crook/moron this country has ever seen.

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frplg, are you kidding me? mike brown was directly appointed by good ole w him self. those 2 have a long history together. then when everything goes down, and everyone realizes what a huge screw up happened, bush throws his buddy to the curb

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In order to stop something like this from happening, the doling out of money would have taken longer. People wouldn't have gotten their money on time and their would be an uproar about that. It's really a lose-lose situation. Either way, I'm not giving my season tickets back. j/k

This is just another reason for me to believe that the federal government shouldn't be in this type of business to begin with.

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or that they should have a civil engineer or logistics guy in charge of FEMA instead of some clueless crony.

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thatguy, you are right. anyone with the correct qualificationa would have had at least a fighting chance in katrina. im not sure that who ever was running the show would have made a huge difference, but at least they would have knowledge of the levees and maybe proper steps in place after the diaster hit

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[QUOTE=dmek25]thatguy, you are right. anyone with the correct qualificationa would have had at least a fighting chance in katrina. im not sure that who ever was running the show would have made a huge difference, but at least they would have knowledge of the levees and maybe proper steps in place after the diaster hit[/QUOTE]
Both the Mayor of nawlins and the governor of LA were morons, too. The state should be the ones to take care of the people, not the federal government.

A little off topic -
Did anyone else read about the recent discovery that the city is sinking at a much higher rate than previously thought?

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[quote=dmek25]thatguy, you are right. anyone with the correct qualificationa would have had at least a fighting chance in katrina. im not sure that who ever was running the show would have made a huge difference, but at least they would have knowledge of the levees and maybe proper steps in place after the diaster hit[/quote]

the engineers at the levees knew they weren't going to hold at least ten days beforehand (they were on local news talking about it BEFORE it happened). FEMA needed to step in an over rule the idiot mayor who also had a huge hand in making a bad situation much worse (refusing to move or use the busses in evacution etc).

the whole thing was/is a steaming dogpile.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]frplg, are you kidding me? mike brown was directly appointed by good ole w him self. those 2 have a long history together. then when everything goes down, and everyone realizes what a huge screw up happened, bush throws his buddy to the curb[/QUOTE]
That's right! I forgot it was Brownie out there doling out the money himself. Does anyone actually believe that this wouldn't have happened even with the most qualified person in charge? This had nothing to do with brownie. This had to do with having to dole out billions in days. This had to do with the FEMA being woefully inadequate as it has been for decades. Does anyone ask why FEMA wasn't fixe under Clinton? Or Bush I? Or Reagan? Or Carter? Brownie sucked hard. real hard but don't lay EVERY stinking thing at Bush's feet. It isn't fair in this case. I have the utmost confidence that this would have happened with anyone in charge. FEMA is that screwed up. No one could have or can fix the dam thing. Blow the damn thing up and start over.

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Or blow it up and don't start over.

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someone qualified could have done better... like with 2 weeks of info from the local experts (levy workers and meteorologists) at least try to organize a real evacuation.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]someone qualified could have done better... like with 2 weeks of info from the local experts (levy workers and meteorologists) at least try to organize a real evacuation.[/QUOTE]
Evacuations are local responsibilities.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]someone qualified could have done better... like with 2 weeks of info from the local experts (levy workers and meteorologists) at least try to organize a real evacuation.[/QUOTE]
As cpayne said. If you have an opinion know ALL the facts and facets as best you can. Uninformed debate is worthless. The world runs on opinions so it is our job to have the right info to form them correctly. To me your statement shows a general lack of respect for Bush(understood given many OTHER issues) and a lack of knowledge on the subject. Blaming Bush or FEMA for the evacuation situation is like blaming Bush for the pothole in front of your house.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]As cpayne said. If you have an opinion know ALL the facts and facets as best you can. Uninformed debate is worthless. The world runs on opinions so it is our job to have the right info to form them correctly. To me your statement shows a general lack of respect for Bush(understood given many OTHER issues) and a lack of knowledge on the subject. Blaming Bush or FEMA for the evacuation situation is like blaming Bush for the pothole in front of your house.[/QUOTE]
Well, I haven't seen him out there with a shovel fixing it, so it must be his fault.

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[quote=FRPLG]As cpayne said. If you have an opinion know ALL the facts and facets as best you can. Uninformed debate is worthless. The world runs on opinions so it is our job to have the right info to form them correctly. To me your statement shows a general lack of respect for Bush(understood given many OTHER issues) and a lack of knowledge on the subject. Blaming Bush or FEMA for the evacuation situation is like blaming Bush for the pothole in front of your house.[/quote]

hi, before telling me i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about or assuming I said things which i didn't maybe you should respond to what i actually wrote instead. thanks.

Bush put a idiot crony in charge of an organization he had no business running. I don't know how the f*ck that's not bush's fault, or why you'd think, even for a second, he shouldn't get blame for that.

If you can show me where I said bush hates black people or that its bush's fault that katrina happened, i'd like to see it. I know you have a mad mancrush on the guy, but that doesn't excuse blasting people for shit they never said.


If a nuke is coming and the local government is full of inept morons, and its clear they're not going to act, there's on obligation to step in and prevent castastrophy. Maybe you think letting people die and saying "not my problem" is okay, but when helping them would take 20 minutes to order an evacuation instead of saying nothing, it'd probably be a good idea (and not totally unreasonable) to expect at least that very tiny amount of effort.

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[quote=That Guy]
If a nuke is coming and the local government is full of inept morons, and its clear they're not going to act, there's on obligation to step in and prevent castastrophy. Maybe you think letting people die and saying "not my problem" is okay when helping them would take 20 minutes to order an evacuation instead of saying nothing. but it'd probably be a good idea (and not totally unreasonable) to expect at least that very tiny amount of effort.[/quote]

The federal government is not responsible for proactively doing such a thing. The way FEMA is set up right now, it is a reactionary agency. So, no, they have no obligation or even the right to step in.

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Gotta love the Fed. Hard at work, for us. ;)

As far as Bush goes, man has this guy set this country back 50 years or what??

He's a joke, this administration is a joke, the war is a joke... and these things are not up for debate. All the crap that's gone down on his watch is truly disgusting.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Gotta love the Fed. Hard at work, for us. ;)

As far as Bush goes, man has this guy set this country back 50 years or what??

He's a joke, this administration is a joke, the war is a joke... and these things are not up for debate. All the crap that's gone down on his watch is truly disgusting.[/QUOTE]
Man, the facts you presented in that post were excellent.

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[quote=cpayne5]Man, the facts you presented in that post were excellent.[/quote]

If we needed facts all the time this board wouldn't exist.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]hi, before telling me i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about or assuming I said things which i didn't maybe you should respond to what i actually wrote instead. thanks.

Bush put a idiot crony in charge of an organization he had no business running. I don't know how the f*ck that's not bush's fault, or why you'd think, even for a second, he shouldn't get blame for that.

If you can show me where I said bush hates black people or that its bush's fault that katrina happened, i'd like to see it. I know you have a mad mancrush on the guy, but that doesn't excuse blasting people for shit they never said.


If a nuke is coming and the local government is full of inept morons, and its clear they're not going to act, there's on obligation to step in and prevent castastrophy. Maybe you think letting people die and saying "not my problem" is okay, but when helping them would take 20 minutes to order an evacuation instead of saying nothing, it'd probably be a good idea (and not totally unreasonable) to expect at least that very tiny amount of effort.[/QUOTE]
Where the hell did this come from? Discussion over if you can't be civil.

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[quote=Mattyk72]If we needed facts all the time this board wouldn't exist.[/quote]

You're right about that!

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[quote=cpayne5]The federal government is not responsible for proactively doing such a thing. The way FEMA is set up right now, it is a reactionary agency. So, no, they have no obligation or even the right to step in.[/quote]

I was talking about bush, since he'd have that power and the media sway to make it happen.

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[quote=FRPLG]Where the hell did this come from? Discussion over if you can't be civil.[/quote]
you told me i didn't have a clue what i was talking about. If you can't see how that isn't civil, then you're either being naive or dim. (you have yet to point out why i don't know what i'm talking about, you just ranted about a bunch or trash that i never even mentioned instead).

seriously, If you want to be that dismissive, you should at least point out what's so wrong that caused you to say that. What you actually did was respond to something that was never written and act like i'm an idiot even through I never said any of the things you seem to think i did.

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FEMA was and still is an antiquated system. While it's true Bush did appoint Brown, I don't think the blame starts or ends with either of them. All of the previous administrations have to share some of the blame by ignoring the glaring red flags that existed all along.

It just so happen, unfortunately, that Katrina actually exposed the weaknesses in an already flawed and poorly run system.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]you told me i didn't have a clue what i was talking about. If you can't see how that isn't civil, then you're either being naive or dim. (you have yet to point out why i don't know what i'm talking about, you just ranted about a bunch or trash that i never even mentioned).[/QUOTE]
Where did I rant on anything? YOU made a statement in reference to organizing a better evacuation. It implied that FEMA and or the fed should have done a better job in this regard. cpayne correctly pointed out that FEMA and the federal government isn't responsible for that. In fact they have no jurisdiction to do it at all in any way. Actually it would be illegal. That shows that on that subject you were uninformed. I made no comments about race or anything like that. YOU are the one cursing. YOU are the one over-reacting.

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[quote=12thMan]FEMA was and still is an antiquated system. While it's true Bush did appoint Brown, I don't think the blame starts or ends with either of them. All of the previous administrations have to share some of the blame by ignoring the glaring red flags that existed all along.

It just so happen, unfortunately, that Katrina actually exposed the weaknesses in an already flawed and poorly run system.[/quote]

True, I can agree with that. This admin stinks to holy hell, but that's not to say that past admins have been all that much better. This one just seems to make big mistake after big mistake.

Our Gov't will never be what it should be. We are never proactive, always reactive.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]FEMA was and still is an antiquated system. While it's true Bush did appoint Brown, I don't think the blame starts or ends with either of them. All of the previous administrations have to share some of the blame by ignoring the glaring red flags that existed all along.

It just so happen, unfortunately, that Katrina actually exposed the weaknesses in an already flawed and poorly run system.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. And matty is right too. Our Gov just sucks. It works wrongly and those who can do anything about it have no motiation or not enough support. It is our fault the governemt works so poorly. Democrats and republicans suck. It is time for the two part system to end totally in my opinion.

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Hail To The Redskins

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[quote=cpayne5]Hail To The Redskins[/quote]

Now that's a fact!

:thumb:

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[quote=FRPLG]Exactly. And matty is right too. Our Gov just sucks. It works wrongly and those who can do anything about it have no motiation or not enough support. It is our fault the governemt works so poorly. Democrats and republicans suck. It is time for the two part system to end totally in my opinion.[/quote]

I think in part, and this is just my theory and speculation, the problem with this and many government agencies is that they are run with a "crisis management" mindset. Take for instance Homeland Security.
How many shakeups have we seen within this organization? Truthfully, the average joe didn't even know this agency existed until 911, but it did.
And look at how much heat they took in the aftermath. But I digress....

Our dollars are put where our collective priorities are, as a country we put emphasis on enterprises that are, well, profitable. Doesn't in anyway shape or form absolve Bush and his administration for what happened in New Orleans, but we can't lay everything at their feet either. I think it's part government and part culuture that has been perpetuated over the years. Social security is another example.

I think it's a case of taking the bitter with the sweet.

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Vote Libertarian.

Woot!

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First off the engineers said that the leaves maybe breached. They never said that the leaves would total fail which is a hugh difference. Brown's job is to make the funds avalable for use and we see how some of the funds where abused. Here in Tidewater several years back we had a small hurricane and they found alot of abbuse and the one's caught where city and state social service empl..They acted like they did nothing wrong when caught and they do these things for a living and I think most wher not fired. What would happen if you stole money from your boss? People will take advantage of every situation and this was the biggest hurricane FEMA has had to deal with so the problems where even greater. Yes, Brown has to take some of the blame but its the crooks who have ripped us tax payers off. The problem is that the federal goverment runs poorly no matter who is in office and they wast more of our money than we will ever know. When was the last time the federal gov. had a program which ran on or below buddget. I would bet never. As long as we give and expect the federal gov. to take care of us the more we will see of these problems. Katrina residents did little to help themself, the state goverment did a poor job(and they just reelected their mayor) and FEMA did a poor job. All I know is when the next hurricane heads my way I will have all that I need to survive so I'm not dependent upon the state or federal goverment.

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[quote=12thMan]I think in part, and this is just my theory and speculation, the problem with this and many government agencies is that they are run with a "crisis management" mindset. Take for instance Homeland Security.
How many shakeups have we seen within this organization? Truthfully, the average joe didn't even know this agency existed until 911, but it did.
And look at how much heat they took in the aftermath. But I digress....

Our dollars are put where our collective priorities are, as a country we put emphasis on enterprises that are, well, profitable. Doesn't in anyway shape or form absolve Bush and his administration for what happened in New Orleans, but we can't lay everything at their feet either. I think it's part government and part culuture that has been perpetuated over the years. Social security is another example.

I think it's a case of taking the bitter with the sweet.[/quote]Homeland Security was a result of 9/11 and was developed after 9/11.

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100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.

Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not New Orleans and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.

President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.

When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.




[quote=firstdown]First off the engineers said that the leaves maybe breached. They never said that the leaves would total fail which is a hugh difference. Brown's job is to make the funds avalable for use and we see how some of the funds where abused. Here in Tidewater several years back we had a small hurricane and they found alot of abbuse and the one's caught where city and state social service empl..They acted like they did nothing wrong when caught and they do these things for a living and I think most wher not fired. What would happen if you stole money from your boss? People will take advantage of every situation and this was the biggest hurricane FEMA has had to deal with so the problems where even greater. Yes, Brown has to take some of the blame but its the crooks who have ripped us tax payers off. The problem is that the federal goverment runs poorly no matter who is in office and they wast more of our money than we will ever know. When was the last time the federal gov. had a program which ran on or below buddget. I would bet never. As long as we give and expect the federal gov. to take care of us the more we will see of these problems. Katrina residents did little to help themself, the state goverment did a poor job(and they just reelected their mayor) and FEMA did a poor job. All I know is when the next hurricane heads my way I will have all that I need to survive so I'm not dependent upon the state or federal goverment.[/quote]