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SmootSmack 07-13-2009 04:27 PM

Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4322356]Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn doesn't play by conventional rules - ESPN[/url]

WaldSkins 07-13-2009 04:42 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
I think it points to what everyone here is saying, if he has a good season he will get paid if not then he's gone.

Schneed10 07-13-2009 04:53 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
Good read.

I like what I hear about Zorn's plan for the offense, and I really like the motto (now in my sig). I think he has a real good plan in place, and he's right, the best offenses take time.

The question to me comes down to personnel. I think Campbell has what it takes, but do we have the line, and do we have the WRs? That's the key.

... as we've discussed ad nauseum.

GTripp0012 07-13-2009 04:58 PM

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Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.

GTripp0012 07-13-2009 05:00 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
And the quarterback who was found to be most similar to Campbell, using his accuracy score...well, you guys will like this:

Jay Cutler. Almost identical in accuracy last year.

tryfuhl 07-13-2009 05:06 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
It's interesting to see the numbers broken down that way, comforting as well, but the only thing that matters at the end of the season is how far you got and how many W's you pulled if not into the playoffs. That'll be sooner to seal Campbell's fate than some blog's ratings.

GTripp0012 07-13-2009 05:09 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
Although, Campbell has taken a beating over the last two years, he's been the most consistently hit QB in the league over that timeframe, so if there's a legitimate worry that he might regress, it's in the fact that very few quarterbacks have been able to deal with this much punishment over two years and continue to improve.

But then again, we'll know all this by the end of the season anyway, so there's no need for long term worry.

MTK 07-13-2009 05:12 PM

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I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.

hooskins 07-13-2009 05:28 PM

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[quote=Mattyk72;567601]I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.[/quote]

I feel similar in that expectations are low and we finally have some stability. Not much change over the offseason(minus AH) is a good thing IMO.

The Goat 07-13-2009 05:33 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
[quote=GTripp0012;567595]Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.[/quote]

Luv the stats...no surprises like you said GT. Our WR corp has been just abysmal in the big picture...much like our oline. IMHO we lost the playoff game against Seattle because of two things: piss-poor WR play and an awful oline. The FO has done very little to improve either thing up to this point.

...the conspiracy theorist might think the FO just doesn't want to give JC the opportunity to succeed?

Hog1 07-13-2009 06:25 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
[quote=Mattyk72;567601]I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.[/quote]

I have a good feeling as well........but the difference is I don't have to Sell myself on it as I did with Spurrier
Play like a franchise qb and I'll pay you like it! AWESOME

skinsfan69 07-13-2009 07:28 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
[quote=GTripp0012;567596]And the quarterback who was found to be most similar to Campbell, using his accuracy score...well, you guys will like this:

Jay Cutler. Almost identical in accuracy last year.[/quote]

What the stat doesn't tell you is that JC probably completed and attempted more passes under 10 yards than anyone in the NFL. And I bet JC attempted and competed fewer passes over 10 yards than anyone. Bottom line JC needs to stop being a game manager and take more chances so the offense has more production and scores more points. If he does that, and the guys around him play better then he'll be just fine.

Lotus 07-13-2009 08:00 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
[quote=Mattyk72;567601]I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.[/quote]

I feel the same.

Gmanc711 07-13-2009 08:00 PM

Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid
 
[quote=hooskins;567603]I feel similar in that expectations are low and we finally have some stability. Not much change over the offseason(minus AH) is a good thing IMO.[/quote]

I guess I have that kind of feeling. I would not be shocked if we went 7-9, I would not be shocked if we went 11-5. I think we have the potential to have one of the top 3 defenses in the league, I really do. Our offense is a huge question mark. I still worry greatly about our line, and dont think we did enough to address it. I love the Dockery signing for the longterm of the team (and I'm a huge Dock guy)... but I dont really know that he is that much of an upgrade over Kendall.

djnemo65 07-13-2009 08:08 PM

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Excellent read. Really encapsulates what makes Zorn such a diamond in the bromide spewing world of NFL coaches.


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