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[quote=Giantone;1181456]Yet it comes out now?Chico you made the accusation the NBC was " NBC is currently deleting emails and shredding documents...cause they don't want the story out." I want to know the facts to this and how do you know this is happening?[/quote]

Kinda of a metaphor of the reaction from the higher ups...don’t think they are actually doing this, but certainly not out of question.

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[quote=Chico23231;1181440]Accusations? Lauer was fired on facts G-1. Everyone wants to know the story, but NBC is currently deleting emails and shredding documents...[B]cause they don't want the story out.[/B][/quote]

Right, which is why they caused major headline news by dumping him ASAP on the accusations of one person. Solid logic there Chico.

Yes, I'm sure it will come out that he harassed multiple women, and this was NBC doing a pre-emptive strike. But for now all we have is one accuser, which NBC took seriously enough to do something about.

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[quote=Giantone;1181457]Agreed but you and I know Chico will never admit to that.[/quote]

Well the accusations of trump and the actual facts that franken and conyers are both guilty....they probably all 3 will survive. Public vs private.

I think the liberal institutions Hollywood and the National media are actually bigger issue simply b/c they sell a biased opinion of being just/honest/ morally superior as a strategy to influence the country with liberal causes while not pursuing actual facts and stories that impact us all. They follow a political correct, false narrative and when the chickens come home to roost well, speaks to the fact of exactly what’s wrong with these institutions.

How can these institutions take accusations against trump and others when the fact is their own are committing factual, vetted incidents of sexual harassment and rape in some instances? These are legit questions. We should be asking this questions...shouldn’t we? Hollywood and the media...these aren’t glass houses...these are glass empires...

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[quote=mooby;1181459]Right, which is why they caused major headline news by dumping him ASAP on the accusations of one person. Solid logic there Chico.

Yes, I'm sure it will come out that he harassed multiple women, and this was NBC doing a pre-emptive strike. But for now all we have is one accuser, which NBC took seriously enough to do something about.[/quote]

Well why did this go on so long? Oh that story is coming...right now they gotta get their stories straight...

Mooby...they all fucking knew.

But yeah, they are trying to get out in front of the story with the firing...”once we knew we fired him” That is leading narrative to the idiots who can say “see nbc is doing the right thing.”
You actually believe that bullshit? Pssshhhhhhh

Come one dude...

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[quote=mooby;1181459]Right, which is why they caused major headline news by dumping him ASAP on the accusations of one person. Solid logic there Chico.

Yes, I'm sure it will come out that he harassed multiple women, and this was NBC doing a pre-emptive strike. But for now all we have is one accuser, which NBC took seriously enough to do something about.[/quote]

[url=http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassment-multiple-women-1202625959/]Matt Lauer Accused of Sexual Harassment by Multiple Women (EXCLUSIVE) – Variety[/url]

Wow...first several paragraphs are a lil much

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[quote=Chico23231;1181460]Well the accusations of trump and the actual facts that franken and conyers are both guilty....they probably all 3 will survive. Public vs private...[/quote]

Is this a joke??? Franken and Conyers both admit and apologized trump has not,if this shit show shows anything is that Dems apologize for their screw ups and or mistakes. Has trump?

No instead he threatens the victims,if any dem had done this you would be screaming!

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations[/url]

[url=http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/what-about-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-trump-1098661443680]What about sexual misconduct allegations against Trump? | MSNBC[/url]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/11/27/congress-must-investigate-pandemic-sexual-harassment-including-claims-against-trump/?utm_term=.83ec96517bc9[/url]

[url]https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-sexual-harassment-discrimination_us_5a15b385e4b03dec8249b7e5[/url]



Chico ,you go after the left but fail to acknowledge the exact same issues on the right don't look now but you're a hypocrite.

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When will the women who marched against Trump start there protest about Conyers?

Fact is it is a problem that goes beyond political affiliation but the public response is absolutely partisan driven.

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Chico I hate arguing with you because you say things like "they all knew" which is just a black and white statement as opposed to going a bit deeper.

If you are someone who works at NBC and you rank below Matt Lauer, you probably heard the rumors or experienced it firsthand. If you knew the rumors, what are you going to do, put your career at jeopardy for trying to expose a wrong? According to the reports, some of the women who experienced this behavior firsthand went to management who looked the other way because Lauer was a cash cow.

So, TL;DR: If you rank below Matt Lauer, probably not much you can do. If you rank above Matt Lauer, you are also despicable for enabling this to happen in favor of the almighty dollar. Obviously they waited until the last minute to fire Lauer because they knew the report was about to break. Your bit about them not wanting the story to come out??? I mean obviously they knew the story was coming out regardless of their personal feelings on it.

Try some critical thinking from time to time Chico, because your knee jerk reactions suck.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1181493]When will the women who marched against Trump start there protest about Conyers?

Fact is it is a problem that goes beyond political affiliation but the public response is absolutely partisan driven.[/quote]

I can't fathom for the life of me why people want to make this a partisan issue when the fact remains shitheads abuse their power in despicable ways on both sides of the issue. At least something is being done about it now.

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The real story should be about the women that now have the courage to come out against these creeps. Unfortunately people would still rather focus on throwing stones at the other side. Sad!

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[QUOTE=mooby;1181495]I can't fathom for the life of me why people want to make this a partisan issue when the fact remains shitheads abuse their power in despicable ways on both sides of the issue. At least something is being done about it now.[/QUOTE]I agree a thousand fold that this empowerment and coming forward is a great thing. The politcalization of every topic is a major part of our society now and when it is the powerful media and political elites who have been for so long touting their role as champions of women's rights they will deservedly face heavy scrutiny.

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[quote=mooby;1181495]I can't fathom for the life of me why people want to make this a partisan issue when the fact remains shitheads abuse their power in despicable ways on both sides of the issue. At least something is being done about it now.[/quote]

Well I think because when oreily was fired the national media were high fucking fiving on msnbc, nbc, cbs, Washington Post and the nyt...nothing about victims. Now, the coverage has been clearly muted with multiple articles on cnn that ask “what do you when people you love do bad things” that was written today about lauer as it was about Louis C.K. recently. Nightly nbc news did 3 minutes on it tonight...that’s it. No multiple correspondents or even a entire segment.

It’s partisan because the coverage has made it partisan. But clearly as we keep score, we are seeing not only was the Hollywood seeped in sexual harressment, but NYT, NBC and CBS. So while these folks were spending time reporting on accusations that many are loose with the president, lo and behold major players in the national media were participating in an environment of sexual harassment.

So while lauer was bring up sexual harassment claims against trump and while Glenn Thrush was standing up for women against trump, these guys were actively participating in it.

So much for the war against women...the war was actually going on in Hollywood and the national media.

I better see some mutherfuckers marching in the streets soon....because that’s what they do right? This isn’t some false narrative this time...this is really happening. So March now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1181458]Kinda of a metaphor of the reaction from the higher ups...don’t think they are actually doing this, but certainly not out of question.[/quote]




That's a response I would hear from FOX.It was a lie to make your story sound better.......hmmmmmmmm?

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[quote=Chico23231;1181500]Well I think because when oreily was fired the national media were high fucking fiving on msnbc, nbc, cbs, Washington Post and the nyt...nothing about victims. Now, the coverage has been clearly muted with multiple articles on cnn that ask “what do you when people you love do bad things” that was written today about lauer as it was about Louis C.K. recently. Nightly nbc news did 3 minutes on it tonight...that’s it. No multiple correspondents or even a entire segment.

It’s partisan because the coverage has made it partisan. But clearly as we keep score, we are seeing not only was the Hollywood seeped in sexual harressment, but NYT, NBC and CBS. So while these folks were spending time reporting on accusations that many are loose with the president, lo and behold major players in the national media were participating in an environment of sexual harassment.

So while lauer was bring up sexual harassment claims against trump and while Glenn Thrush was standing up for women against trump, these guys were actively participating in it.

So much for the war against women...the war was actually going on in
Hollywood and the national media.
I better see some mutherfuckers marching in the streets soon....because that’s what they do right? This isn’t some false narrative this time...this is really happening. So March now.[/quote]
Great story,none of it true but it sounds good except it's BS.
1) Nothing was said about victims becuase ....they are usually anonymous and most all outlets don't want to be seen as attacking victims.
2)O'Reily was an ass and he screamed from the highest mountain top as a superior of everyone and he paid off people, he attacked the accused Lauer has not and as soon as NBC got a whiff of it dropped him ,did FOX do that with O'Reily...NO. News Flash on a 30 min show 3 mins is a long segment FYI.
3)You say "But clearly as we keep score" , no , you are keeping score .....not we.

4)Reporters report.

5)You say"So much for the war against women...the war was actually going on in
Hollywood and the national media." ,Yes it is ,I won't say was becuase it is still going on and always has been but why did you leave out [B]Politics?[/B]You are so gun ho to attack "Hollywood and the Media and lump them together you showed your ignorance by leaving out the Politicians,you want to make your point so bad you ignore many of the true facts of the story.Hey you could go work for FOX.

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Lauer admits "there is truth in the allegations",will trump do the same???Chico if you want to be taken seriously then attack the GOP with the same vigor as you hate the left,that is if your serious about the issue?

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[quote=Giantone;1181506]Lauer admits "there is truth in the allegations",will trump do the same???Chico if you want to be taken seriously then attack the GOP with the same vigor as you hate the left,that is if your serious about the issue?[/quote]

Its not that I generally hate the left, its the fact I generally don't like all voices represented fairly across the board. I don't like how the evolution of truthiness has lead to all out streaming false narratives which are foundationally baseless..which have moved out of politics into mainstream media.

Its weird how I and others have the expectations of hypocrisy within politics. because that's what it is...But I don't expect that same level of hypocrisy from media. I expect more from them...I find it deeply disturbing when national media organization picks sides on issues, parties, people, etc. I don't like it when media organizations constantly try to divide this country in the name of revenue.

I think its extremely important and I recognize this bc media has become the greatest force within the country...and I don't mean greatest as good either.

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[quote=Chico23231;1181507]Its not that I generally hate the left, its the fact I generally don't like all voices represented fairly across the board. I don't like how the evolution of truthiness has lead to all out streaming false narratives which are foundationally baseless..which have moved out of politics into mainstream media.

Its weird how I and others have the expectations of hypocrisy within politics. because that's what it is...But I don't expect that same level of hypocrisy from media. I expect more from them...I find it deeply disturbing when national media organization picks sides on issues, parties, people, etc. [B]I don't like it when media organizations constantly try to divide this country in the name of revenue. [/B]

I think its extremely important and I recognize this bc media has become the greatest force within the country...and I don't mean greatest as good either.[/quote]

What is your solution to this? Because it's never gonna stop as long as the money comes in.

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[quote=Chico23231;1181500]Well I think because when oreily was fired the national media were high fucking fiving on msnbc, nbc, cbs, Washington Post and the nyt...nothing about victims. Now, the coverage has been clearly muted with multiple articles on cnn that ask “what do you when people you love do bad things” that was written today about lauer as it was about Louis C.K. recently. Nightly nbc news did 3 minutes on it tonight...that’s it. No multiple correspondents or even a entire segment.

It’s partisan because the coverage has made it partisan. But clearly as we keep score, we are seeing not only was the Hollywood seeped in sexual harressment, but NYT, NBC and CBS. So while these folks were spending time reporting on accusations that many are loose with the president, lo and behold major players in the national media were participating in an environment of sexual harassment.

So while lauer was bring up sexual harassment claims against trump and while Glenn Thrush was standing up for women against trump, these guys were actively participating in it.

So much for the war against women...the war was actually going on in Hollywood and the national media.

I better see some mutherfuckers marching in the streets soon....because that’s what they do right? This isn’t some false narrative this time...this is really happening. So March now.[/quote]

As G1 said, you are the only keeping score. Which if thats what you want to do, then ok. Do you need a safe space where you can celebrate lefty media icons being disgraced? Have at it then boss.

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[quote=Giantone;1181223]They aren't it's always been "a bipartisan issue" just now the GOP is getting caught and trying to blame the MSM for it and not taking responsibility for their own actions.[/quote]

LMAO. It's mainly liberals getting caught. Always has been since Bill Clinton took office. With people like you and the "MSM" making excuses for him and the Dems in general. Sad!

And what has Franken apologized for? Last I heard, "sorry you were offended", "it was a joke", and denials aren't apologies. No matter how "embarrassed" and "ashamed" Franken says he feels over how it looks. Franken's still insisting he's a good hearted guy through all this. And still promoting himself as a "champion of women".

Imagine how you would treat this situation if a Republican did and said exactly the same.

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[quote=mooby;1181518]As G1 said, you are the only keeping score. Which if thats what you want to do, then ok. Do you need a safe space where you can celebrate lefty media icons being disgraced? Have at it then boss.[/quote]

Well its not just about keeping score...but Ill be watching for how they will to change the message. Will a narrative of "War on Woman" survive? I mean, is there gonna be a march? If there was anytime to march, I think it would be now...maybe Al Franken can rally it again.

I really wonder if it wasn't for the NYT Weinstein article, would we have ever have known about Lauer, Rose, etc? Where was CBS and NBC...exactly.

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[quote=mooby;1181517]What is your solution to this? Because it's never gonna stop as long as the money comes in.[/quote]

I think speaking up and pointing it out. Keeping an open mind. Awareness in general. Limited exposure for sure.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1181519]LMAO. [B]It's mainly liberals getting caught[/B]. Always has been since Bill Clinton took office. With people like you and the "MSM" making excuses for him and the Dems in general. Sad!

And what has Franken apologized for? Last I heard, "sorry you were offended", "it was a joke", and denials aren't apologies. No matter how "embarrassed" and "ashamed" Franken says he feels over how it looks. Franken's still insisting he's a good hearted guy through all this. And still promoting himself as a "champion of women".

Imagine how you would treat this situation if a Republican did and said exactly the same.[/quote]

Yeah... if I could get that master list which brings credibility to your point, that'd be great. Don't just include media, I want the whole nine. Politicians, media, businessmen, etc. Anybody who donates money to political causes is fair game.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1181537]Yeah... if I could get that master list which brings credibility to your point, that'd be great. Don't just include media, I want the whole nine. Politicians, media, businessmen, etc. Anybody who donates money to political causes is fair game.[/QUOTE]We all would be interested to see which politicians participated in the harassment hush fund.
[url]https://desantis.house.gov/2017/11/desantis-unveils-bipartisan-bill-to-expose-taxpayer-funded-sexual-harassment-settlements-in-congress-and-eliminate-the-congressional-hush-fund[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1181550]We all would be interested to see which politicians participated in the harassment hush fund.
[url]https://desantis.house.gov/2017/11/desantis-unveils-bipartisan-bill-to-expose-taxpayer-funded-sexual-harassment-settlements-in-congress-and-eliminate-the-congressional-hush-fund[/url][/quote]

I love it. I hope it passes with flying colors. Like cops, politicians (aka the people that set the standard in this country) have to be held to a higher standard. The people deserve to know if their elected leaders can't keep their dick in their pants. Harassment scandals involving politicians need to be publicized, and they need to be held just as accountable as the Hollywood fucks having their careers disgraced now.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/opinions/digital-media-friend-foe-opinion-newmark/index.html]Democracy's immune system is in trouble. Here's what we can do (Opinion) - CNN[/url]

Pretty good opinion article here about how to keeps news in the digital media better/honest... highlights:

A second principle -- already standard in traditional media -- should be that if a digital journalist makes a mistake, the outlet should admit it and correct it immediately. After all, if a mistake is made, the journalist is accountable, not just to the news organization, but to the readers at large. [B]A correction should be done in a way that is equal or greater than the mistake that was published. For example, if the mistake is shared on a media outlet's website and across its social media platforms, the correction should be shared in the same manner.[/B]

A final principle would make editors commit to drafting headlines that accurately represent the content of the article, not present the reader with a false understanding of what the piece is about. [B]For example, opinion editorials should be labeled as such, not purport to be news articles. I've also observed a number of headlines that express the unverified claim as a question[/B]. This can leave the reader misinformed. While headlines should catch a reader's attention, they shouldn't be deceitful.

Bravo to the last bold statement...CNN wouldn't have a channel or front page. In fact, ALL opinion articles should not be on the front of a website...much like how newspaper's worked...most opinion articles should be placed in the back of the front section.

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[url=http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/01/media/abc-news-flynn-correction/index.html]ABC News corrects bombshell Flynn report - Dec. 1, 2017[/url]

Wow. Amazing how a major news organization just tosses around fake news. Disgraceful

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[quote=Chico23231;1182131][url=http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/01/media/abc-news-flynn-correction/index.html]ABC News corrects bombshell Flynn report - Dec. 1, 2017[/url]

Wow. Amazing how a major news organization just tosses around fake news. Disgraceful[/quote]

Chico,you grabbing at straws.A mistake was made and retracted.Again I ask you if you have ever heard of the story of "chicken Little"?

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[quote=Giantone;1182134]Chico,you grabbing at straws.A mistake was made and retracted.Again I ask you if you have ever heard of the story of "chicken Little"?[/quote]

Dude, it shouldn’t be released it if it is not thoroughly vetted! This is abc news released by their top political investigate reporter! Is the bar this low?

It’s a clear example of why people across the country hate And disapprove of the media.

This wasn’t some shit organization like huffington or blaze, this was abc news.

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This probably warrants another thread, but I'm highly concerned about this new tax bill. I've looked at some nonpartisan sources and it basically looks like I'm going to get fucked in the middle class. In Virginia, it removes our state deduction and (this one I'm unsure on) our home deduction. We take no deductions because we like that windfall every tax season (I also know it's not the right way to do it, but I don't care :)). What I'm reading is highly confusing but it what I'm gleaning is that the rich will profit, people with two kids get a good deduction and the middle class gets bent over. Is that true? JoeRedskin, have you looked at this at all?

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You can bet corporations and the wealthy will benefit the most

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That's definitely what I'm noticing, but hey, TRICKLE DOWN YA'LL. Always works. :doh:

I've said this before, but no president has ever hit me in the wallet in a negative way that I've noticed before. Bush with Stimulus Check, Obama with Cash for Clunkers, but I cannot see even his base supporting this if they suffer directly. They're brainwashed for sure, but even this can't stand right?

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Joe Schmoe always loses, the game is and continues to be rigged.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1182137]This probably warrants another thread, but I'm highly concerned about this new tax bill. I've looked at some nonpartisan sources and it basically looks like I'm going to get fucked in the middle class. In Virginia, it removes our state deduction and (this one I'm unsure on) our home deduction. We take no deductions because we like that windfall every tax season (I also know it's not the right way to do it, but I don't care :)). What I'm reading is highly confusing but it what I'm gleaning is that the rich will profit, people with two kids get a good deduction and the middle class gets bent over. Is that true? JoeRedskin, have you looked at this at all?[/quote]



With all the changes and last min additions to the bill most of the people voted without reading it.If I understand it my taxes are going up by almost $2000 with in the next two years.Things I could deduct I now can't and the richer top ten percent now have a higher standard deduction and mine (middle class)have a gotten lower and Corporations now will only pay taxes on money made in the US.Again I am not 100% on any of this.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1182139]That's definitely what I'm noticing, but hey, TRICKLE DOWN YA'LL. Always works. :doh:

I've said this before, but no president has ever hit me in the wallet in a negative way that I've noticed before. Bush with Stimulus Check, Obama with Cash for Clunkers, but I cannot see even his base supporting this if they suffer directly. They're brainwashed for sure, but even this can't stand right?[/quote]

Yeah the morons passed it.

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The worst thing about the bill is the tax cuts for the middle class expire in ~5 or so years and the corporate tax cuts are permanent. Just in time for the middle class to forget Republicans are responsible for the setup in the first place. If we're being honest though, Trump's fanbase won't care. They aren't exactly the "do in depth research" type anyways, it's easier to just read a headline and form a conclusion. And if you don't like it, it's fake news.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182098][url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/opinions/digital-media-friend-foe-opinion-newmark/index.html]Democracy's immune system is in trouble. Here's what we can do (Opinion) - CNN[/url]

Pretty good opinion article here about how to keeps news in the digital media better/honest... highlights:

A second principle -- already standard in traditional media -- should be that if a digital journalist makes a mistake, the outlet should admit it and correct it immediately. After all, if a mistake is made, the journalist is accountable, not just to the news organization, but to the readers at large. [B]A correction should be done in a way that is equal or greater than the mistake that was published. For example, if the mistake is shared on a media outlet's website and across its social media platforms, the correction should be shared in the same manner.[/B]

A final principle would make editors commit to drafting headlines that accurately represent the content of the article, not present the reader with a false understanding of what the piece is about. [B]For example, opinion editorials should be labeled as such, not purport to be news articles. I've also observed a number of headlines that express the unverified claim as a question[/B]. This can leave the reader misinformed. While headlines should catch a reader's attention, they shouldn't be deceitful.

Bravo to the last bold statement...CNN wouldn't have a channel or front page. In fact, ALL opinion articles should not be on the front of a website...much like how newspaper's worked...most opinion articles should be placed in the back of the front section.[/quote]

I agree with most of this Chico. The retraction should always get as much attention as the first headline, yet it never does. I doubt the retraction reaches half the people that see the original headline.

And I would love it if op-ed's were marked as such, I hate reading something then halfway through I read a sentence that has no place in a news story and I'm like, oh shit this must be some random news jagoff's opinion.

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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/abc-news-suspends-brian-ross-4-weeks-without-224327042.html[/url]e

ABC News Suspends Brian Ross for 4 Weeks Without Pay: ‘Effective Immediately’ For false Flynn report.

It’s not the first time Ross has come under fire for playing fast and loose with the facts, either. In 2012, he falsely suggested that the Aurora shooter Jim Holmes had been a member of the Colorado Tea Party — he was not.

That flub also resulted in an on-air clarification from Ross, which you can watch below.

ABC News’ Brian Ross had to apologize for suggesting that Aurora theater shooter James Holmes was a member of Colorado Tea Party. pic.twitter.com/MThgHQ7I99
– Ryan Saavedra ???????? (@RealSaavedra) December 2, 2017

This guy should be fired. Absolute disgrace and biased reporter. Garbage

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[quote=mooby;1182151]I agree with most of this Chico. The retraction should always get as much attention as the first headline, yet it never does. I doubt the retraction reaches half the people that see the original headline.

And I would love it if op-ed's were marked as such, I hate reading something then halfway through I read a sentence that has no place in a news story and I'm like, oh shit this must be some random news jagoff's opinion.[/quote]


Yes ,I agree and you're smart enough to know it and disagree with it .Mooby you can tell fact from fiction,most people can.To go on about FU's in the media is ridiculous. Nice if people would bitch that much about the FU's in the goverment and what just happen to the American people with the tax bill.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/08/cnn-just-armed-trump-with-new-ammunition-to-launch-another-fake-news-attack/?utm_term=.14b39c179366[/url]

CNN armed Trump with new ammunition. Sure enough, he launched another ‘fake news’ attack

Wow yuuuge mistake by cnn again. More fake news

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[quote=Chico23231;1182522][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/08/cnn-just-armed-trump-with-new-ammunition-to-launch-another-fake-news-attack/?utm_term=.14b39c179366[/url]

CNN armed Trump with new ammunition. Sure enough, he launched another ‘fake news’ attack

Wow yuuuge mistake by cnn again. More fake news[/quote]

chico, they got a date wrong and corrected it.You're more like trump every day.