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[quote=Ruhskins;891391]Video of PM throwing (Posted by Mort on Twitter)

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This just confirms that I still want this guy and he is less of a risk than RGIII and all that it will take to get him.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;891591]This just confirms that I still want this guy and he is less of a risk than RGIII and all that it will take to get him.[/quote]

pfffffttttt
So he plays for two years (not exactly enough time to build a dynasty) and then we start all over again....screw that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;891589]You know how you feel when you have a steak cooking on the grill, just watching it sizzle and you are salivating at how good its gonna taste... reading your post made me feel like that!

I hope that's how Shabby feels too![/quote]

LOL. Shabby.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;891592]pfffffttttt
So he plays for two years (not exactly enough time to build a dynasty) and then we start all over again....screw that.[/quote]

Well to go off what you are implying, lets say RGIII is a bust. It takes the team 3-4 years to finally make the decision not to give him another chance. We trade four to five draft picks for him, and slug along for 4 years never accomplishing more than we have in the last three years.

Going through a HC or two in the process.

Just saying. There is risk to it all, and this is what this decision is going to be either way. For me I see the risk in signing PM to a deal is what you said above: two years and he is done. BTW if we only get two years out of him because he is never gets fully heathy. This would get us in position to fix the problem again. RGIII is not the only good quarterback to come out over the next few years. The reward is getting 4-5 good to great years out of him, and winning a lot of games between now and then.

Trust me I get RGIII. If we were drafting in a position to draft him, I would draft him. BUT Peyton Manning's don't hit the market to often.

I'll stick w sighing Manning and keeping all those picks

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I have zero interest in Manning. I have no idea what the lovefest here is for him. I'd rather have any other option though Griffin/Grossman is my ideal (with a McCoy/Leinart/Quinn 3rd stringer).

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;891595]Well to go off what you are implying, lets say RGIII is a bust. It takes the team 3-4 years to finally make the decision not to give him another chance. We trade four to five draft picks for him, and slug along for 4 years never accomplishing more than we have in the last three years.

Going through a HC or two in the process.

Just saying. There is risk to it all, and this is what this decision is going to be either way. For me I see the risk in signing PM to a deal is what you said above: two years and he is done. BTW if we only get two years out of him because he is never gets fully heathy. This would get us in position to fix the problem again. RGIII is not the only good quarterback to come out over the next few years. The reward is getting 4-5 good to great years out of him, and winning a lot of games between now and then.

Trust me I get RGIII. If we were drafting in a position to draft him, I would draft him. BUT Peyton Manning's don't hit the market to often.[/quote]

could not agree more

[QUOTE=rypper11;891597]I have zero interest in Manning. I have no idea what the lovefest here is for him. I'd rather have any other option though Griffin/Grossman is my ideal (with a McCoy/Leinart/Quinn 3rd stringer).[/QUOTE]

So you are saying u would take grossman over Manning?

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I'd be stoked to have Peyton Manning.

I'd be stoked to have Griffin even if it means trading several picks.

The only thing I won't be stoked about is if we come away from this offseason without a high-quality QB. It's time to end the era of QB mediocrity one way or another.

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I'd rather have Griffin. If not Griffin, than maybe McCoy (if available & we wouldn't have to sell the farm) or some other free agent and draft another qb. Manning is not a good fit here.

U guys are actually considering colt McCoy over Peyton Manning? Wow

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I didn't know Colt McCoy was available and even then I don't want him. My first choice is Griffin. If it means we swap 4 picks for 1 so be it. If Manning was 4 years younger I'd be all for it, I just don't want another band-aid. Good thing FA is so close then all this can be put to bed.

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If the Browns get Flynn and the Dolphins get Manning, I wonder will the Rams price tag goes down?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;891608]If the Browns get Flynn and the Dolphins get Manning, I wonder will the Rams price tag goes down?[/quote]

One would think since we can offer a high pick in this years draft. Who knows though, Fisher may prefer quantity over quality.

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It better come down or the Vikings will be getting those picks in the trade.

1st, 2nd, and 4th this year and 1st next year is what I think it will end up costing in the end if we or Cleveland gets him. Miami would have to add an extra pick.

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I don't want McCoy.

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[quote=SBXVII;891030]I'm sorry your going to have to help me out. This is like the second time I've seen this perhaps from you perhaps not but I just don't understand what the Skins will have to change? I see us needing to get better with the OL, and needing better blocking, but thats a given for whoever takes the QB position even if it's RGIII.

The worse case scenario I see is PM coming here and having to learn the play calls and getting on page with the WR's here. I believe there will be a small hickup until he is familiar with the system and familiar with the WR's.[/quote]

More man blocking and less zone schemes.. going from a more scripted west coast approach to a no huddle with more adjustments at the line... you don't bring Manning in to learn your system...

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saw a mock that had us snatching blackmon at 1:6, and grabbing weeden with our 2:7. i really wouldn't mind that

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[quote=rypper11;891597]I have zero interest in Manning. I have no idea what the lovefest here is for him. I'd rather have any other option though Griffin/Grossman is my ideal (with a McCoy/Leinart/Quinn 3rd stringer).[/quote]

I had have to side with you on that. And this is coming from someone who thinks peyton is the greatest QB of all time. His health, the system, his price..its not quiet worth it.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;891602]I'd rather have Griffin. If not Griffin, than maybe McCoy (if available & we wouldn't have to sell the farm) or some other free agent and draft another qb. Manning is not a good fit here.[/quote]

how is a healthy peyton manning not a good fit anywhere?

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a healthy manning exists and fits in ny. a healthy peyton manning is a great fit for a dome team. where does a healthy peyton manning exist?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;891595]Well to go off what you are implying, lets say RGIII is a bust. It takes the team 3-4 years to finally make the decision not to give him another chance. We trade four to five draft picks for him, and slug along for 4 years never accomplishing more than we have in the last three years.

Going through a HC or two in the process.

Just saying. There is risk to it all, and this is what this decision is going to be either way. For me I see the risk in signing PM to a deal is what you said above: two years and he is done. BTW if we only get two years out of him because he is never gets fully heathy. [B]This would get us in position to fix the problem again.[/B] RGIII is not the only good quarterback to come out over the next few years. [B]The reward is getting 4-5 good to great years out of him, and winning a lot of games between now and then.
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Trust me I get RGIII. If we were drafting in a position to draft him, I would draft him. BUT Peyton Manning's don't hit the market to often.[/quote]

1. To fix the problem again we would have to trade up in a future draft to get a franchise QB, so what is the difference? All we have done is delayed the gamble.

2. You really think PM is going to play an elite level until he is 41? Get. Real. He will be 36 in a week or two and has had major neck surgeries.

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[quote=mlmdub130;891630]how is a healthy peyton manning not a good fit anywhere?[/quote]

Because you have to change the scheme to fit him. Does Mini Shanny seem like he is willing to change his precious scheme to fit any player? Doubtful. The bootleg and perimeter passing game play to the strengths of RG3.

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[quote=SkinzWin;891636]Because you have to change the scheme to fit him. Does Mini Shanny seem like he is willing to change his precious scheme to fit any player? Doubtful. The bootleg and perimeter passing game play to the strengths of RG3.[/quote]

I don't disagree. But I would hope that Shanny Junior could work with Manning. You don't make the greatest QB in history, a QB who could also be your OC, fit your system - you make your system fit him.

Whether L'il Shanny can do that is an interesting question.

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Does anyone else think the Rams trade the pick before the draft?

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[quote=los panda;891625]saw a mock that had us snatching blackmon at 1:6, and grabbing weeden with our 2:7. i really wouldn't mind that[/quote]

gimme that plus Manning and I would be ecstatic.

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[quote=SkinzWin;891633]1. To fix the problem again we would have to trade up in a future draft to get a franchise QB, so what is the difference? All we have done is delayed the gamble.

2. You really think PM is going to play an elite level until he is 41? Get. Real. He will be 36 in a week or two and has had major neck surgeries.[/quote]


1. Ok, I am not sold on trading away four top draft choices in this and next years draft for RGIII. I am much more inclined to take a chance with money and save our picks (possibly acquire more in a trade back) have another solid draft and sign PM.

2. If you read my post I was simply giving the best case scenario for what we get out of him. Do I really think we could get that out of him? He could play until he is 40. So that would give you 4 years. I would feel safe in saying three good years in him, in those three drafts you find a guy, and groom him to take over. BTW there may be a player in this year's draft that could be the next Matt Schaub or insert late round draft pick who is now a hot RFA and FA this year.

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I voted for the RG III Grossman choice since it is the only one that made any sense. I think giving up the bathtub and kitchen sink for RG III is a huge mistake, as we very well will have more holes to plug going into the draft as we currently have. We tagged Davis, but can lose Fletch, etc. Losing Fletch would be a big blow to the D and would mean either a FA LB or a draft a MLB. We really need 2 LBs to shore that corp up to be honest. We need the picks to rebuild, unless you RG III freaks want to have a few more lousy seasons. The kid is talented, but like Cam, without a decent supporting cast, he isn't going to win anything. Manning had his supporting cast stacked for ages. Also, do you think RG III is going to have half a chance with our O line? He will be running alright, running all the time and getting whacked good over the course of a 16 game season, if he survives it. Don't get me wrong I would love to get RG III, but damn multiple high round picks? C'mon now guys. Our starting O line consists of second stringers posing as starters. Our Dbs are substandard anymore and two of our wideouts are turning into candidates for the geriatric ward. Continue to upgrade the oline and the DBbs. I would utilize both the draft and FA to do this. I just think we could use a youth infusion still.

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I totally agree with you Art. I don't think RG III is going down. I think Bruce Allen is helping out his friend in Saint Louis by raising the stakes. Of all the scenarios I hear the best one thus far is us trading DOWN for the 20th pick to get Weeden or maybe Tannehill and get an extra pick. RG III is the "sexy" pick, but our O line still is substandard compared to most of the league. IF RG III starts behind this bunch of bums he won't last 2 seasons without getting hurt.

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[quote=Lotus;891639]I don't disagree. But I would hope that Shanny Junior could work with Manning. You don't make the greatest QB in history, a QB who could also be your OC, fit your system - you make your system fit him.

Whether L'il Shanny can do that is an interesting question.[/quote]

I would seem to think that MS and KS would know how to work with Peyton. KS had to watch Manning beat his Texans plenty of times to respect what he does on the football field, if you think about it PM has been calling plays in the NFL longer then KS has.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;891647]I totally agree with you Art. I don't think RG III is going down. I think Bruce Allen is helping out his friend in Saint Louis by raising the stakes. [B]Of all the scenarios I hear the best one thus far is us trading DOWN for the 20th pick to get Weeden or maybe Tannehill and get an extra pick.[/B] RG III is the "sexy" pick, but our O line still is substandard compared to most of the league. IF RG III starts behind this bunch of bums he won't last 2 seasons without getting hurt.[/quote]

Going all the way down to 20 should net us a couple of picks. 1st and 2nd this year and a third next.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;891642]gimme that plus Manning and I would be ecstatic.[/quote]make that a manning in a healthy 2010 form and i'm right there with you, brother

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If we do sign Manning why draft Weeden? So Manning can play 3 years and Weeden can be essentially a 31 year old rookie? Yeah I'll pass on Weeden there.

BTW if we sign Manning do you all think we will win the Super Bowl in year one or two? If not, why sign him? C'mon Free Agency.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;891640]Does anyone else think the Rams trade the pick before the draft?[/quote]

No.

Its not that they don't want to its that no team wants to do it so soon. I just never see it happening in the NFL where one team just gives up their first round pick for some other teams first right before the draft.

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Mannings agent might have an interest in Washington Peyton does not, Jets or Cardinals for Manning

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After watching various draft related episodes of Top 10 on NFL Network I've come to the realization that essentially we know nothing. You could have a situation like Tony Dorsett where none of the draft picks you gave up are worth nearly as much as him. You could have a Ricky Williams type of deal happen where you give up your entire draft for a single player yet the team you traded with (Redskins) does nothing worthwhile with those picks. You could also end up with Jeff George, a complete bust. Or you could end up with Mike Vick going to one team and LaDanian Tomlinson going to another.

In the end I think we'd be crazy not to give up a reasonable amount to get RGIII. Who knows when we'll be within striking distance of such a talent at QB again.

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[quote=GreekSkin;891661]After watching various draft related episodes of Top 10 on NFL Network I've come to the realization that essentially we know nothing. You could have a situation like Tony Dorsett where none of the draft picks you gave up are worth nearly as much as him. You could have a Ricky Williams type of deal happen where you give up your entire draft for a single player yet the team you traded with (Redskins) does nothing worthwhile with those picks. You could also end up with Jeff George, a complete bust. Or you could end up with Mike Vick going to one team and LaDanian Tomlinson going to another.

In the end I think we'd be crazy not to give up a reasonable amount to get RGIII. Who knows when we'll be within striking distance of such a talent at QB again.[/quote]

Or it could be a Hershel Walker situation where Dallas took all those picks and won 3 Super Bowls.

I think we should get comfortable with the idea of Manning going to the Cards or Fins and RGIII going to Cleveland. Both are way more realistic than either coming here.

Those who say we should just "go out" and sign Manning forget it's not up to us, it's up to Manning. Miami and Arizona are better situations.

Maybe we make a run at Flynn or Orton and trade back for Tannehill, Weeden or Cousins. Have another solid draft and round of free agency and continue to build.

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[quote=Giantone;891658]Mannings agent might have an interest in Washington Peyton does not, Jets or Cardinals for Manning[/quote]

And you know this how?? According to you we don't have a chance at RG3. Peyton wouldn't come here, because the Redskins suck, and on, and on... I guess next you will tell us we are trading away all of our draft picks to the Giants for no compensation..

I so wish I could block certain people from this site. I am now heading to the Giants forum to post nonsense, because I have nothing better to do..

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[quote=GusFrerotte;891645]I voted for the RG III Grossman choice since it is the only one that made any sense. I think giving up the bathtub and kitchen sink for RG III is a huge mistake, as we very well will have more holes to plug going into the draft as we currently have. We tagged Davis, but can lose Fletch, etc. Losing Fletch would be a big blow to the D and would mean either a FA LB or a draft a MLB. We really need 2 LBs to shore that corp up to be honest. We need the picks to rebuild, unless you RG III freaks want to have a few more lousy seasons. The kid is talented, but like Cam, without a decent supporting cast, he isn't going to win anything. Manning had his supporting cast stacked for ages. Also, do you think RG III is going to have half a chance with our O line? He will be running alright, running all the time and getting whacked good over the course of a 16 game season, if he survives it. Don't get me wrong I would love to get RG III, but damn multiple high round picks? C'mon now guys. Our starting O line consists of second stringers posing as starters. Our Dbs are substandard anymore and two of our wideouts are turning into candidates for the geriatric ward. Continue to upgrade the oline and the DBbs. I would utilize both the draft and FA to do this. I just think we could use a youth infusion still.[/quote]

Our O-line was terrible? When did that happen? Because I didnt see Rex get hurt once all season and both our rookie RBs had 100 yard rushing games without 2 of our best O linemen. If RGIII is more brittle than Rex then I don't want him no matter what O line is playing in front of him.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;891643]1. Ok, I am not sold on trading away four top draft choices in this and next years draft for RGIII. I am much more inclined to take a chance with money and save our picks (possibly acquire more in a trade back) have another solid draft and sign PM.

2. If you read my post I was simply giving the best case scenario for what we get out of him. Do I really think we could get that out of him? He could play until he is 40. So that would give you 4 years. I would feel safe in saying three good years in him, in those three drafts you find a guy, and groom him to take over. BTW there may be a player in this year's draft that could be the next Matt Schaub or insert late round draft pick who is now a hot RFA and FA this year.[/quote]

But you still didn't respond to my point. If we do the Peyton Manning route this year in a few years time we are still looking for a franchise QB. It is likely in order to get that franchise QB we will have to deal picks in the future to move up high enough in the draft to get one, so what is the difference between rolling the dice this year and waiting 2 or 3 years to do it? I understand you have more picks for the draft this year but you are just delaying the inevitable. And there may not be a guy worth trading up for in a draft a few years in the future. What then? Settle for an average FA or late round draft pick? My point is if the coaches feel like RG3 is worth it, then you go after him. You don't know what things are going to look like 3 years down the road.

With your second point I agree that there could be a player in the draft that could be a diamond in the rough. But looking at the law of averages, who is going to be more likely to pan out, a top 10 QB prospect or a 6th round no name? Tom Bradys' aren't exactly falling out of the sky on the regular.