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[quote=That Guy;870628]henne is okay, but i don't see him ever being great. this list is really just drew brees. maybe flynn is amazing, i don't know, but there's not much nfl tape on him, and it's not him playing against a defense that knew his tendencies and planned for them, so it's a bit of a crapshoot there.[/quote]

Chad Henne sux, I've seen enough of him to know he's not any good.. Flynn is a ? But I wouldn't want to go after him to be our guy. This team needs to draft a QB

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Have a feeling Flynn will be overhyped from making the best of little NFL film -- just like Kolb. Demanded a large contract with little NFL experience -- and has struggled since.

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Matt Flynn may very well be the best QB entering free agency after the season. I see a big upside with his game, but I also see a bit of a downside with his game also. I think he could be a decent starter in the NFL though. As long as he's better than Grossman or Beck, I don't care about his downside. But I think depending on how much Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan want to give up for a young QB in the draft(RG3/Luck), the Redskins could go the free agency route and attain a passer.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-must-look-to-the-draft-for-a-qb/2011/12/28/gIQA5YnOMP_blog.html#pagebreak]Redskins must look to the draft for a QB - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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We definitely need some fresh faces at QB. I've just about had enough with Grossman and his 2 turnovers per game. I think the Shannys have had it too.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870705][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-must-look-to-the-draft-for-a-qb/2011/12/28/gIQA5YnOMP_blog.html#pagebreak]Redskins must look to the draft for a QB - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Ironical indeed...Jason Campbell is likely the top (available) FA QB since Oakland committed to Palmer. Ohhhh Mike and Kyle you guys make it so much fun!!

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If the Rams lose to SF, which will most likely hapopen, and Indy beats Jacksonville, which could happen, then the Rams have the 1st pick. That could make things very interesting for us as far as getting a QB. With a new coach, perhaps Gruden in Stl, he may want to start with Luck, which makes Bradford expendable.

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[quote=skinsfan69;870716]If the Rams lose to SF, which will most likely hapopen, and Indy beats Jacksonville, which could happen, then the Rams have the 1st pick. That could make things very interesting for us as far as getting a QB. With a new coach, perhaps Gruden in Stl, he may want to start with Luck, which makes Bradford expendable.[/quote]

I asked yesterday someone who should know and he said Gruden is not interested in the Rams job, or any job right now.

But who knows, maybe his opinion will change.

Regardless, Devaney and Spags are both probably gone and if the Rams get the first pick they can ask for a ransom for either Luck or Bradford. Keep one and add an LT (Kalil?).

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[quote=SmootSmack;870718]I asked yesterday someone who should know and he said Gruden is not interested in the Rams job, or any job right now.

But who knows, maybe his opinion will change.

Regardless, Devaney and Spags are both probably gone and if the Rams get the first pick they can ask for a ransom for either Luck or Bradford. Keep one and add an LT (Kalil?).[/quote]
Hey Smootsmack, did you work for the Redskins at one time?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;870740]Hey Smootsmack, did you work for the Redskins at one time?[/quote]

he works somewhere else. his info is good though ;) promise.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;870740]Hey Smootsmack, did you work for the Redskins at one time?[/quote]

Directly for them? No, never. Almost, but no

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[quote=The Goat;870709]Ironical indeed...Jason Campbell is likely the top (available) FA QB since Oakland committed to Palmer. Ohhhh Mike and Kyle you guys make it so much fun!![/quote]

If I recall, Shanahan just wanted Campbell to compete not for Campbell to leave. Too many people in this world want to something for nothing. And no, I won't mention Barkley in this thread.

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[quote=diehard;870752]If I recall, Shanahan just wanted Campbell to compete not for Campbell to leave. Too many people in this world want to something for nothing. And no, I won't mention Barkley in this thread.[/quote]

I don't blame JC for not "competing." He was, and is, better than each QB Mike and Kyle brought in. And...he was already in DC and didn't cost picks etc.

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[quote=The Goat;870759]I don't blame JC for not "competing." He was, and is, better than each QB Mike and Kyle brought in. And...he was already in DC and didn't cost picks etc.[/quote]

This is why I'm starting to believe we're a snakebitten franchise. I don't know maybe some disgrutled native Americans put a hex on the team due to their disdian for our name. Anyways, just seems that players perform better once they leave D.C which shouldn't be the case. Rogers and A. Carter are just the latest examples, no pro-bowlers this year but the 2 we though we could do without end up making the pro-bowl. Hell, if Rogers would of played for us like the did for the 49ers this year we would of been a playoff bound team last year.

As for J.C, since when did he learn to complete the deep ball? I can't count how many time he missed open recievers deep, however he's made some amazing deep throws to Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford in Oakland. Eventhough I wasn't a JC fan in his defense we never really built around him. Didn't get him a left tackle, didn't get him a solid core of recievers, all he had was a running back and a TE, which would rationalize why he turned into Captain checkdown when he played for us.

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Since we're talking about the 2012 Skins ......

I don't like hearing Washington DC and Maryland making a push for the Redskins to move their home office from Ashburn, VA to DC or Maryland. The Skins have played in DC for years but their office/practice facility has always been in VA. I'll be pissed if they move out of VA.

Maryland has rhe Baltimore Ravens
DC used to have the Redskins games every Sunday

VA has nothing but the home office or practice facility. I don't know what I'll do if they move. Taking what little us VA fans have as a home team away from us will definitely leave me feeling like Colts fans of the 70's and Brown fans when their teams packed and left.... very bitter.

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[quote=diehard;870752]If I recall, [B]Shanahan just wanted Campbell to compete not for Campbell to leave[/B]. Too many people in this world want to something for nothing. And no, I won't mention Barkley in this thread.[/quote]

Not sure what you mean since MS traded him. How did he just want him to compete and not for him to leave?

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[quote=SmootSmack;870750]Directly for them? No, never. Almost, but no[/quote]

SS, have you heard any plans for the secondary? D Hall back? Barnes future, is it Safety or CB? Laron?

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[quote=Mattyk;870706]We definitely need some fresh faces at QB. I've just about had enough with Grossman and his 2 turnovers per game. I think the Shannys have had it too.[/quote]


I agree with the 2 turnover a game thing, but realistically Rex will be back next year. He isn't going to get a starting job anywhere, and what better backup position is there? He could still end up starting if the rookie isn't ready. And the last few weeks (aside the picks) the offense has looked pretty decent and avg about 20+ a game.

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[quote=Chico23231;870887]SS, have you heard any plans for the secondary? D Hall back? Barnes future, is it Safety or CB? Laron?[/quote]

Haven't heard anything

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[quote=SmootSmack;870892]Haven't heard anything[/quote]
Pft......come on man..

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[quote=#56fanatic;870890]I agree with the 2 turnover a game thing, but realistically Rex will be back next year. He isn't going to get a starting job anywhere, and what better backup position is there? He could still end up starting if the rookie isn't ready. And the last few weeks (aside the picks) the offense has looked pretty decent and avg about 20+ a game.[/quote]

I've got no problem with him coming back as a backup. I just don't want to see him starting.

His turnovers are killers. I don't think you can just overlook them and say well the offense is playing better. 2 turnovers a game from one player is very difficult to overcome. You just can't win games consistently with a QB like him.

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[quote=Mattyk;870896]I've got no problem with him coming back as a backup. I just don't want to see him starting.

His turnovers are killers. I don't think you can just overlook them and say well the offense is playing better. 2 turnovers a game from one player is very difficult to overcome. You just can't win games consistently with a QB like him.[/quote]

We'll have alot of questions answered by April. You are right, you can't have 2 TO's a game and expect to win. No doubt about it. Our problem is we don't have another viable option besides sticking a rookie in there. I'm assuming we'll have one qb from the draft. If its Luck/RGIII then we might start them, if not, do you throw them in the mix right out of college? We might need Rex to start next year. He knows the offense. He'll have a better oline, better run game, and more playmakers. The TO's are frustrating, but he does know the offense very well.

You could dump Rex and sign another FA, but options are limited there too.

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[quote=SBXVII;870870]Since we're talking about the 2012 Skins ......

I don't like hearing Washington DC and Maryland making a push for the Redskins to move their home office from Ashburn, VA to DC or Maryland. The Skins have played in DC for years but their office/practice facility has always been in VA. I'll be pissed if they move out of VA.

Maryland has rhe Baltimore Ravens
DC used to have the Redskins games every Sunday

VA has nothing but the home office or practice facility. I don't know what I'll do if they move. Taking what little us VA fans have as a home team away from us will definitely leave me feeling like Colts fans of the 70's and Brown fans when their teams packed and left.... very bitter.[/quote]

Why would it matter? It's not like you can go watch them practice, except the few that are open in training camp.

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So here we are, going into year 3 and we still don't have a QB. The Shanahan's have REALLY screwed up the QB situation here. Did they really think that Rex and Beck were the answers? Snyder has got to be steaming mad.

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[quote=skinsfan69;870910]So here we are, going into year 3 and we still don't have a QB. The Shanahan's have REALLY screwed up the QB situation here. Did they really think that Rex and Beck were the answers? Snyder has got to be steaming mad.[/quote]

I don't think they ever thought Rex and Beck were the answers. I'm not sure they even thought McNabb was the long-term answer. I think what they thought was they loved, loved, loved Bradford but couldn't move up to #1 for him, and they liked Locker but not enough to do anything more than see if he was there at #10 last year.

So yeah they haven't gotten a QB, but they've worked on other areas of the team. This should (I'll even say will) be the offseason the Redskins get the QB they feel will be the answer for them.

I mean we're not going into year 3 yet, it's more that we're ending year 2

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[quote=SmootSmack;870892]Haven't heard anything[/quote]

My thing is, if RG3 stays in school and T from USC is gone, Morris Claibourne would be a solid pick at corner. He would be instant upgrade for us at that position. With our first 2 picks Claibourne and Sanchise, we have effectively upgraded both positions and filled needs.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;870844]This is why I'm starting to believe we're a snakebitten franchise. I don't know maybe some disgrutled native Americans put a hex on the team due to their disdian for our name. Anyways, just seems that players perform better once they leave D.C which shouldn't be the case. Rogers and A. Carter are just the latest examples, no pro-bowlers this year but the 2 we though we could do without end up making the pro-bowl. Hell, if Rogers would of played for us like the did for the 49ers this year we would of been a playoff bound team last year.

As for J.C, since when did he learn to complete the deep ball? I can't count how many time he missed open recievers deep, however he's made some amazing deep throws to Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford in Oakland. Eventhough I wasn't a JC fan in his defense we never really built around him. Didn't get him a left tackle, didn't get him a solid core of recievers, all he had was a running back and a TE, which would rationalize why he turned into Captain checkdown when he played for us.[/quote]

carter was great here until we moved him to OLB (just like he was a great DE in SF before they went 3-4 and tried to move him to OLB). rogers was always good here, he just couldn't catch so people thought he was awful, which just hasn't ever been true. I guess it's the same way people think hall is great because he catches a pick for every 20 deep balls he gives up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870916]I don't think they ever thought Rex and Beck were the answers. I'm not sure they even thought McNabb was the long-term answer. I think what they thought was they loved, loved, loved Bradford but couldn't move up to #1 for him, and they liked Locker but not enough to do anything more than see if he was there at #10 last year.

So yeah they haven't gotten a QB, but they've worked on other areas of the team. This should (I'll even say will) be the offseason the Redskins get the QB they feel will be the answer for them.

I mean we're not going into year 3 yet, it's more that we're ending year 2[/quote]

Thats a good summary of the QB odyssey so far imo. It is a bummer that after year 2 Shanahan and Allen still havent drafted/added their idea of a franchise QB yet. The logic is we wont really be ready to compete for a Superbowl until year 2 or 3 of a young QBs career so I think everyone is itching to get the clock rolling here.

But im glad they didnt draft a QB just to draft a one. I thought gabbert being available to us was a bounce of good luck and I would have drafted him but, now with just one season of hindsight, im glad i dont make the decisions. Shoot, I wanted to take Clausen the year before that.

Unfortunately, I feel like they have to pull the trigger this offseason. By year 4 i think shanahan needs a 10 plus win season. Im not sure Mike Shanahan can walk into year 3 of his contract without having hitched his wagon to a young potential franchise QB. I understand and appreciate his patience to get this key decision right, and that he only gets one real shot at it but at some point you gotta fire your weapon and put your fate and that of the skins in the hands of a young wide-eyed know nothing 22 year old.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;870643]Matt Flynn may very well be the best QB entering free agency after the season. I see a big upside with his game, but I also see a bit of a downside with his game also. I think he could be a decent starter in the NFL though. As long as he's better than Grossman or Beck, I don't care about his downside. But I think depending on how much Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan want to give up for a young QB in the draft(RG3/Luck), the Redskins could go the free agency route and attain a passer.[/quote]

I agree that the key is upgrading the QB position. We should not just sit and wait on a "franchise" QB, but rather we should be looking to get better there. I would much prefer winning 8 or 9 games next season than a repeat of what has happened this year. Even if we are able to draft RGIII, we don't really know if he is a "franchise" player. Redskins desparately need to improve OB play for the team to improve. I say try a different FA QB. Ditch Beck, sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or somebody similar and let him compete with Grossman for the starting job. Groom RGIII if we can get him in the draft.

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[quote=redskin29633;870993]I agree that the key is upgrading the QB position. We should not just sit and wait on a "franchise" QB, but rather we should be looking to get better there. I would much prefer winning 8 or 9 games next season than a repeat of what has happened this year. Even if we are able to draft RGIII, we don't really know if he is a "franchise" player. Redskins desparately need to improve OB play for the team to improve. I say try a different FA QB. Ditch Beck, sign Hoyer, Quinn, Henne, or somebody similar and let him compete with Grossman for the starting job. Groom RGIII if we can get him in the draft.[/quote]

By the way, Redskins owe Beck $1,000,000 for next season, but I contend that the team should eat the money and send him packing. They found out he can't play, so I see no reason to keep him. Treat him just like Torain; we owed him just under $600,000 for 2012, but sent him packing anyway. I would characterize both releases as good moves.

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[quote=The Goat;870759]I don't blame JC for not "competing." He was, and is, better than each QB Mike and Kyle brought in. And...he was already in DC and didn't cost picks etc.[/quote]

The humor on this board is sometimes overwhelming. JC is just as bad, or equal to Grossman. There I said it. JC made bad decisions, JC was not accurate on the long ball, JC needed all day to throw, JC might have been able to scramble better then Grossman I'll give you that, but otherwise his down side was similar to Grossmans and it would have taken him more then one offseason to learn the scheme... ie; McNabb. Grossman knew more then JC in regards to the scheme he just needed the WR's and OL to catch up to him. Now that they are close in understanding the scheme getting a better QB is in order.

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JC-to-McNabb was a lateral move. A foolish, costly lateral move, but still a lateral move. Had we kept JC, patience with him would be wearing very thin by now and he might have lost out to Grossman anyway, just like McNabb.

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[quote=skinsfan69;870908]Why would it matter? It's not like you can go watch them practice, except the few that are open in training camp.[/quote]

Actually your right. But VA can't get a NFL team cause Snyder wants to claim it will take away from his revenue. So no pro team for VA. They have had their home office in VA for years. DC wants the team playing in DC again, I'd be ok with that. I guess even if they decided to make the stadium their home office but I'm getting tired of Maryland wanting to take everything. They have the Ravens. Let the Redskins stay in DC or VA.

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[quote=SBXVII;871025]The humor on this board is sometimes overwhelming. JC is just as bad, or equal to Grossman. There I said it. JC made bad decisions, JC was not accurate on the long ball, JC needed all day to throw, JC might have been able to scramble better then Grossman I'll give you that, but otherwise his down side was similar to Grossmans and it would have taken him more then one offseason to learn the scheme... ie; McNabb. Grossman knew more then JC in regards to the scheme he just needed the WR's and OL to catch up to him. Now that they are close in understanding the scheme getting a better QB is in order.[/quote]

Really makes me wonder why Gibbs was so fascinated with Campbell. When he was at Auburn, I could never see anything that would lead you to conclude that he would become even an average NFL QB. That's one that I will probably never understand.

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Given the choice I'd gladly take JC over Grossman. JC might not be a game breaker (neither is Grossman), but he's not going to kill you with INTs either. He's an efficient game manager that can win games in this league with a supporting cast. Sooner or later Grossman will kill you with a crucial INT or fumble.

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[quote=redskin29633;871030]Really makes me wonder why Gibbs was so fascinated with Campbell. When he was at Auburn, I could never see anything that would lead you to conclude that he would become even an average NFL QB. That's one that I will probably never understand.[/quote]

Gibbs thought very highly of Rypien and Williams. He saw qualities in them that he saw in Campbell.

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One guy that hasn't been mentioned is WR Malcolm Floyd out of Notre Dame... I know a lot of people on here are in love with Justin Blackmon... but Floyd is a monster. Great size, strong as an Ox, can leap, and has great hands.

I've liked him since last year.

When is he supposed to go? Late 1st?

I seriously doubt we end up with him... but I think he's going to be a good pro.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;871043]One guy that hasn't been mentioned is WR Malcolm Floyd out of Notre Dame... I know a lot of people on here are in love with Justin Blackmon... but Floyd is a monster. Great size, strong as an Ox, can leap, and has great hands.

I've liked him since last year.

When is he supposed to go? Late 1st?

I seriously doubt we end up with him... but I think he's going to be a good pro.[/quote]


Many said the same about Golden Tate, in fact who was the Last ND WR to even be good in the NFL? Tim Brown?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;871047]Many said the same about Golden Tate, in fact who was the Last ND WR to even be good in the NFL? Tim Brown?[/quote]

Floyd is a much better prospect than Tainte. Floyd got enough talent to go top 10. Anything after the first round for Floyd would be an epic steal.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;871043]One guy that hasn't been mentioned is WR Malcolm Floyd out of Notre Dame... I know a lot of people on here are in love with Justin Blackmon... but Floyd is a monster. Great size, strong as an Ox, can leap, and has great hands.

I've liked him since last year.

When is he supposed to go? Late 1st?

I seriously doubt we end up with him... but I think he's going to be a good pro.[/quote]

I've thought about him and Kendall Wright.

Wouldn't it be sweet to take a QB at sevenish and then trade back into the late first round to get Floyd or Wright?