Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;537511]Many people are saying that Clay Mathews and Alex Mack are reaches at 13.

Those draft guys always get surprised anyway. Both of these guys have a heavy upside.

Mack is smart and can control the LOS and doesn't get beat by good nose tackles.

I've a picture of Clay Mathes SR when he played for the Browns. If Clay JR turns out like his daddy then look out. I guarantee you he can put on another 20 lbs of mass and muscle. He's don't it already and he's not finished. Believe that! Google Clay SR. The man was build like a brick s**t house.[/quote]

His dad is Clay SR. and his uncle is Bruce Mathews. If it's true that the apple does'nt fall far from the tree, this kid's gonna be a baller.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

Of course they have a plan, it just may not be the best one.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537375]judging the current front office and its decisions based on the performance of a prior front office structure is as foolish as judging the redskins now based on what another team does. Not ranting and raving like a lunatic no matter what the front office does is not the same thing as being an apologist.[/quote]

Oh that's right! Cerrato is now the Vice President of Football Operations whereas before he was the Director of Player Personnel. Huge difference; completely different stucture.

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[quote=Coff;537589]Oh that's right! Cerrato is now the Vice President of Football Operations whereas before he was the Director of Player Personnel. Huge difference; completely different stucture.[/quote]

Uhhhh... While Gibbs was here, he had final say over everything. Now Cerrato has final say. While Gibbs was here, we traded away draft picks like there was no tomorrow and signed old average-ish veterans to big fat contracts left and right.

So far, Cerrato has only traded one draft pick thats worth anything and he did it for a first ballot hall of famer who was coming off a 16 sack seaason. So far, Cerrato has only signed two players to contracts of any signifigance: 1. Albert Haynesworth, the best DT in the league and arguably the best defensive player Period; and 2. DeAngelo Hall - a playmaking cornerback who has the third most interceptions of any player in the past 5 years, who is only 25 years old and whos best years are ahead of him.

You want to look at things honestly and not just complain for the sake of complaining? Well heres the facts - Cerrato has done better as "GM" in a little over one year on the job than Joe Gibbs did his entire second tenure here. Joe Gibbs traded away picks and mortgaged our future in an effort to win right then. Cerratos philosphy appears to be to build for the draft and make smart FA moves - only giving big longterm contracts to young players who are still on the upside of their careers.

So yeah, to anyone who is paying attention, the title change (and responsibilities that come) is a huge change in structure and we are already reaping the benefits of that change.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537594]Uhhhh... While Gibbs was here, he had final say over everything. Now Cerrato has final say. While Gibbs was here, we traded away draft picks like there was no tomorrow and signed old average-ish veterans to big fat contracts left and right.

So far, Cerrato has only traded one draft pick thats worth anything and he did it for a first ballot hall of famer who was coming off a 16 sack seaason. So far, Cerrato has only signed two players to contracts of any signifigance: 1. Albert Haynesworth, the best DT in the league and arguably the best defensive player Period; and 2. DeAngelo Hall - a playmaking cornerback who has the third most interceptions of any player in the past 5 years, who is only 25 years old and whos best years are ahead of him.

You want to look at things honestly and not just complain for the sake of complaining? Well heres the facts - Cerrato has done better as "GM" in a little over one year on the job than Joe Gibbs did his entire second tenure here. Joe Gibbs traded away picks and mortgaged our future in an effort to win right then. Cerratos philosphy appears to be to build for the draft and make smart FA moves - only giving big longterm contracts to young players who are still on the upside of their careers.

So yeah, to anyone who is paying attention, the title change (and responsibilities that come) is a huge change in structure and we are already reaping the benefits of that change.[/quote]

Blasphemy and Heresy -- Vinny is the end of the Redskins as we know it, with DS being the architect of their destruction.
/sarcasm]

Excellent Post BHA!

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537594]Uhhhh... While Gibbs was here, he had final say over everything. Now Cerrato has final say. While Gibbs was here, we traded away draft picks like there was no tomorrow and signed old average-ish veterans to big fat contracts left and right.

So far, Cerrato has only traded one draft pick thats worth anything and he did it for a first ballot hall of famer who was coming off a 16 sack seaason. So far, Cerrato has only signed two players to contracts of any signifigance: 1. Albert Haynesworth, the best DT in the league and arguably the best defensive player Period; and 2. DeAngelo Hall - a playmaking cornerback who has the third most interceptions of any player in the past 5 years, who is only 25 years old and whos best years are ahead of him.
[B]
You want to look at things honestly and not just complain for the sake of complaining? Well heres the facts - Cerrato has done better as "GM" in a little over one year on the job than Joe Gibbs did his entire second tenure here. Joe Gibbs traded away picks and mortgaged our future in an effort to win right then. Cerratos philosphy appears to be to build for the draft and make smart FA moves - only giving big longterm contracts to young players who are still on the upside of their careers.
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So yeah, to anyone who is paying attention, the title change (and responsibilities that come) is a huge change in structure and we are already reaping the benefits of that change.[/quote]

Great post, I think sometimes people hate the FO so much they forget that Gibbs was involved in making the decision making process when he was here. People need to stop living in the past and try to see a past FO mistake in the moves they've made this year.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537594]Uhhhh... While Gibbs was here, he had final say over everything. Now Cerrato has final say. While Gibbs was here, we traded away draft picks like there was no tomorrow and signed old average-ish veterans to big fat contracts left and right.

So far, Cerrato has only traded one draft pick thats worth anything and he did it for a first ballot hall of famer who was coming off a 16 sack seaason. So far, Cerrato has only signed two players to contracts of any signifigance: 1. Albert Haynesworth, the best DT in the league and arguably the best defensive player Period; and 2. DeAngelo Hall - a playmaking cornerback who has the third most interceptions of any player in the past 5 years, who is only 25 years old and whos best years are ahead of him.

You want to look at things honestly and not just complain for the sake of complaining? Well heres the facts - Cerrato has done better as "GM" in a little over one year on the job than Joe Gibbs did his entire second tenure here. Joe Gibbs traded away picks and mortgaged our future in an effort to win right then. Cerratos philosphy appears to be to build for the draft and make smart FA moves - only giving big longterm contracts to young players who are still on the upside of their careers.

So yeah, to anyone who is paying attention, the title change (and responsibilities that come) is a huge change in structure and we are already reaping the benefits of that change.[/quote]

You can't say it was just Joe Gibbs making decisions, just like you can't say it was just VC making decisions. I do know VC had a major role in making decisions, he admitted as much. He admitted making a major mistake in the Brandon Lloyd mess and other blunders as well. They all equally sucked as a FO, JG included. JG had to ok everything i'm sure just as DS had to ok everything as well. It was a 3 headed monster.

They had some hits and some big misses too.

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[quote=redsk1;537671]You can't say it was just Joe Gibbs making decisions, just like you can't say it was just VC making decisions. I do know VC had a major role in making decisions, he admitted as much. He admitted making a major mistake in the Brandon Lloyd mess and other blunders as well. They all equally sucked as a FO, JG included. JG had to ok everything i'm sure just as DS had to ok everything as well. It was a 3 headed monster.

They had some hits and some big misses too.[/quote]

True, but everyone here acts as though it was VC alone making all these decisions, and forget that Gibbs was involved.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537594]Uhhhh... While Gibbs was here, he had final say over everything. Now Cerrato has final say. While Gibbs was here, we traded away draft picks like there was no tomorrow and signed old average-ish veterans to big fat contracts left and right.

So far, Cerrato has only traded one draft pick thats worth anything and he did it for a first ballot hall of famer who was coming off a 16 sack seaason. So far, Cerrato has only signed two players to contracts of any signifigance: 1. Albert Haynesworth, the best DT in the league and arguably the best defensive player Period; and 2. DeAngelo Hall - a playmaking cornerback who has the third most interceptions of any player in the past 5 years, who is only 25 years old and whos best years are ahead of him.

You want to look at things honestly and not just complain for the sake of complaining? Well heres the facts - Cerrato has done better as "GM" in a little over one year on the job than Joe Gibbs did his entire second tenure here. Joe Gibbs traded away picks and mortgaged our future in an effort to win right then. Cerratos philosphy appears to be to build for the draft and make smart FA moves - only giving big longterm contracts to young players who are still on the upside of their careers.

So yeah, to anyone who is paying attention, the title change (and responsibilities that come) is a huge change in structure and we are already reaping the benefits of that change.[/quote]


Okay, I think we're all getting tired of this discussion, but I'll consent. The front office is doing a stellar job and the Redskins have done a fantastic job of maintaining consistency and longevity in the FO. The decade began with Vinny in charge, then vinny was fired and Marty was put in charge, and then Marty was fired and Vinny was put in charge, and then Vinny had to take a back seat when Gibbs came along, and then Gibbs retired and Vinny took his seat back at the throne; all of that in an 9 year span. And all of this disproves the the initial point of this thread which is a criticism of the FO's planning.
Some would argue that the inability to stick to any one plan for more than a couple of seasons in evidence of poor planning, but that would be like comparing the Redskins to another team and wouldn't be a fair analysis of the team's organizational structure.

They're doing a wonderful job. Keep up the good work, FO!

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[quote=Coff;538013]Okay, I think we're all getting tired of this discussion, but I'll consent. The front office is doing a stellar job and the Redskins have done a fantastic job of maintaining consistency and longevity in the FO. The decade began with Vinny in charge, then vinny was fired and Marty was put in charge, and then Marty was fired and Vinny was put in charge, and then Vinny had to take a back seat when Gibbs came along, and then Gibbs retired and Vinny took his seat back at the throne; all of that in an 9 year span. And all of this disproves the the initial point of this thread which is a criticism of the FO's planning.
Some would argue that the inability to stick to any one plan for more than a couple of seasons in evidence of poor planning, but that would be like comparing the Redskins to another team and wouldn't be a fair analysis of the team's organizational structure.

They're doing a wonderful job. Keep up the good work, FO![/quote]

See. That wasn't so hard was it? :)

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Well have to say this, Gibbs sucked during draft time for the most part. What was it? 2006 where we drafted all of those RBs? I mean at least try to address your needs with lower picks, who knows if one of them becomes a steal. Our first rounders(when we had them) always were good picks and spoke to our needs, but anything below that was a total wild card. I won't be surprised if Cerrato does a good job and freak us all out!!!

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Wow. What's going on right now just reinterates the unbelievable nature of our FO. Our FO lacks the patience to do anything right. What's our system? What's our plan? Are we going to be patient w/ JZ? JC? Are we willing to scrap the whole thing?

Hey, I think the Zorn hiring was desparation and he's in over his head. I think he's a bit of a puppet. I'm not sold on JC being anything special, but would like to see him this year. So i'm not sold on the current system, but it was the FO's call so the FO needs to give them a little time.

I'm sure JC is feeling alot of confidence right about now. He's a proffessional so i think he'll be ok.

Unbelievable. We're like that leaf floating in the wind just going in any direction that the wind takes us.

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I'll have to wait for a retort to this thread. It seems to me that the only plan the FO has right now is buy, buy, buy, trade, trade, trade. This is starting to piss me off big time. Maybe this is too soon but it sounds like the same old same old. I'll have to wait and see.

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[quote=Paintrain;536666][B]The 'same old Redskins' [/B]would have signed Haynesworth, traded this year's #1 and next year's #3 for Julius Peppers, signed Terrell Owens and [B]would be trying to trade for Jay Cutler[/B]. That's the 'same old Redskins.'[/quote]

Sorry, Paintrain. The Devil made me do it.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=redsk1;541755]Wow. What's going on right now just reinterates the unbelievable nature of our FO. Our FO lacks the patience to do anything right. What's our system? What's our plan? Are we going to be patient w/ JZ? JC? Are we willing to scrap the whole thing?

Hey, I think the Zorn hiring was desparation and he's in over his head. I think he's a bit of a puppet. I'm not sold on JC being anything special, but would like to see him this year. So i'm not sold on the current system, but it was the FO's call so the FO needs to give them a little time.

[B] I'm sure JC is feeling alot of confidence right about now. He's a proffessional so i think he'll be ok. [/B]

Unbelievable. We're like that leaf floating in the wind just going in any direction that the wind takes us.[/quote]

I believe Jason has the type of personality to use this as a motivator if he's still on the team. (hope he is!)