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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1345889]Buffalo Bills have a mascot that is clearly a Bison they are calling a Buffalo lol morons[/quote]

Hey now, Bills Mafia is awesome lol

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Howell is a little fucking tank back there. Dude takes such a pounding, he should be paid on Chaturbate.

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[quote=mredskins;1345882]Everyone keeps busting on Tuddy but nearly every team has some stupid mascot that I was never really aware of:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_mascots[/url]

The Jets, Giants, Packers and Chargers have the best ones.[/quote]

I love The Tuddster. He cracks me up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1345904]Hey now, Bills Mafia is awesome lol[/quote]

Definitely a fun group to hang out with

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SH is 12th in the NFL with YPA , way different than TH. He takes shots and usually connects

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1345964]SH is 12th in the NFL with YPA , way different than TH. He takes shots and usually connects[/quote]

Compare his stats with Josh Allen and they are almost identical, including spreading the ball to 10 different receivers.

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You guys desperately want to anoint him the next great QB.
Let the guy play some meaningful games.

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Still a lot of room for improvement, but he has been better than most expected so far - me included. I wasn't sure what to expect from him or the offense in general. At least he's not losing us games. I'm not ready to compare him to some of the better QBs in the NFL just yet, but he's trending that way so far.

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[quote=jamf;1345976]You guys desperately want to anoint him the next great QB.
Let the guy play some meaningful games.[/quote]

I’ve seen enough of his traits and demeanor to know he is the one. Watch his college tapes, he’s still the same.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1345978]I’ve seen enough of his traits and demeanor to know he is the one. Watch his college tapes, he’s still the same.[/quote]

I hope you're right but he appears to have that Carson Wentz holding on to the ball trait.

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[quote=jamf;1345979]I hope you're right but he appears to have that Carson Wentz holding on to the ball trait.[/quote]

Bad comparison, concrete feet Carson didn’t know what to do, Sam will take off and make things happen. He’ll fix it the more he plays.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1345980]Bad comparison, concrete feet Carson didn’t know what to do, Sam will take off and make things happen. He’ll fix it the more he plays.[/quote]

kind of agree . . .but Wentz was considered pretty mobile for a big guy coming out too. It seems as though guys that can sometimes tend to hold on for a little longer to try to make something happen. Howell needs to learn when to give that up, but it is a fine line between giving up to early and trying to hard and taking the sack and that trying to hard, when you have a mobile QB, is how he makes those incredible off script plays

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1345982]kind of agree . . .but Wentz was considered pretty mobile for a big guy coming out too. It seems as though guys that can sometimes tend to hold on for a little longer to try to make something happen. Howell needs to learn when to give that up, but it is a fine line between giving up to early and trying to hard and taking the sack and that trying to hard, when you have a mobile QB, is how he makes those incredible off script plays[/quote]

Howell’s biggest assets are his poise, decision making, toughness and quiet fire.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1345983]Howell’s biggest assets are his poise, decision making, toughness and quiet fire.[/quote]

And he knows how to slide , literally if a certain QB that came here in the past could have learned that , might seen a few more years of magic from him

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[quote=mredskins;1345985]And he knows how to slide , literally if a certain QB that came here in the past could have learned that , might seen a few more years of magic from him[/quote]

Not really. RG3 couldn’t read a defense and didn’t understand a pro style offense.

RG3 didn’t fail because of injuries, RG3 failed because he wasn’t a passer. He couldn’t operate an offense from the pocket. RG3 never learned what a route tree in college, that’s the basics he didn’t know.

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[quote=Chico23231;1345997]Not really. RG3 couldn’t read a defense and didn’t understand a pro style offense.

RG3 didn’t fail because of injuries, RG3 failed because he wasn’t a passer. He couldn’t operate an offense from the pocket. RG3 never learned what a route tree in college, that’s the basics he didn’t know.[/quote]

Agree, and honestly JF is very similar to RG3, Both explosive athlets good arms but can't read a defense for shit

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[QUOTE=jamf;1345979]I hope you're right but he appears to have that Carson Wentz holding on to the ball trait.[/QUOTE]


Yeah because he is trying to hard to make something happen, not because he wet himself and is frozen in fear. It’s different. Lol.

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[quote=jamf;1345979]I hope you're right but he appears to have that Carson Wentz holding on to the ball trait.[/quote]

He's brand new, his decision making and quickness with it will improve like the rest of his game... in time.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1345983]Howell’s biggest assets are his poise, decision making, toughness and quiet fire.[/quote]

I think you should be come an agent. I love how you are trying to sell quiet fire as an attribute.

There is a lot to like so far in the SSS we have seen. It is definitely the best I have felt about a QB since 2012.

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[URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-week-3-sam-howell-vaults-into-top-15-joe-burrow-jalen-hurts-slip"]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-week-3-sam-howell-vaults-into-top-15-joe-burrow-jalen-hurts-slip[/URL]

Even if the team isn't getting the respect 2-0 deserves, Sam is. But I can't see how you can rate some of these guys above him. For me he's performed better than Prescott, Burrow at least, if not Goff and Stafford too.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1346008]I think you should be come an agent. I love how you are trying to sell quiet fire as an attribute.

There is a lot to like so far in the SSS we have seen. It is definitely the best I have felt about a QB since 2012.[/QUOTE]


Well Kirk had a good year or two. But at least Snyder isn’t around to fuck it up this time.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1346033][URL]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-week-3-sam-howell-vaults-into-top-15-joe-burrow-jalen-hurts-slip[/URL]

Even if the team isn't getting the respect 2-0 deserves, Sam is. But I can't see how you can rate some of these guys above him. For me he's performed better than Prescott, Burrow at least, if not Goff and Stafford too.[/QUOTE]


These rankings are all over the map. Is it based on career or current year?

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[quote=punch it in;1346036]These rankings are all over the map. Is it based on career or current year?[/quote]

Given they only list 2023 stats, must be this year. Just appears to be pure opinion, no explained logic.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1346039]Given they only list 2023 stats, must be this year. Just appears to be pure opinion, no explained logic.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1346039]Given they only list 2023 stats, must be this year. Just appears to be pure opinion, no explained logic.[/QUOTE]


What I thought so thus far Joe Burrow is 9? I wouldn’t want Joe Burrow starting for my kids pee wee team right now. If I had a kid that played pee wee.

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[quote=punch it in;1346035]Well Kirk had a good year or two. But at least Snyder isn’t around to fuck it up this time.[/quote]

No you are right I guess I meant as a "rookie"

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1346039]Given they only list 2023 stats, must be this year. Just appears to be pure opinion, no explained logic.[/quote]

It's the NFL no logic needed.

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burrow's got a 4.2 ypa right now. no idea why he's that high there.

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This is for SFREDSKINS:

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Good article in ESPN :
[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/38499873/ranking-six-nfl-quarterbacks-get-benched-2023-zach-wilson-sam-howell[/url]


We knew virtually nothing about Howell as he entered the season as Washington's starter. He fell to the fifth round in the 2022 draft, sat for the majority of his rookie season and started only in Week 18 after Taylor Heinicke urged the coaching staff to play Howell instead. He looked good in that 26-6 win over the Cowboys, but his 19 pass attempts in the game were his only throws of the season.

Well, we now have 99 more attempts of regular-season Howell action to add to our sample. There are things to like. The raw product he puts out there is compelling and sometimes extremely impressive. In terms of negative plays, though, he looks every bit the quarterback who has made four NFL starts. He won't make it through the season playing this way.

Let's start with the positives. Howell is fun to watch when things are working. Some of the throws he has made have been world-class. This throw to Terry McLaurin is both the right decision (deep post versus quarters coverage) and inch perfect. McLaurin has to make a great catch, but this pass is thrown into a spot where only he can come down with the football.

For a 6-foot-1 quarterback, Howell has more zip on his passes than you might think when he gets the time to set his feet and deliver. He's capable of hitting throws to either sideline from the pocket. The 23-year-old also has scrambled for 42 yards and three first downs on five tries, including the game-winning touchdown against the Cardinals. If you catch him on the right snap, he looks like he should have been a top-10 pick.

In whole, though, Howell is too destructive to keep the 2-1 Commanders afloat for long. He admittedly is coming off of a disaster game against a great Bills defense, but no quarterback can survive with this sort of penchant for ending drives. He has a 5.1% interception rate and a 16.1% sack rate through three games. The latter figure is the NFL's worst mark, while the only passer with a more significant interception rate is Jimmy Garoppolo.

Interceptions are more damning than sacks, but I'm more concerned about the sack rate of the two. A 16% sack rate is something out of the 20th century. Howell has been hit on more than 24% of his dropbacks this season; the only quarterback who has been hit more frequently is Russell Wilson.

The propensity to take sacks both runs the risk of injury and makes concepts that would be appealing in the playbook vectors for potential disaster. As an example, Howell's physical ability should make him a candidate to throw on the run. Changing a signal-caller's launch point slows down the pass rush, gets the quarterback outside the pocket, allows him to reduce the progression and creates scramble opportunities. All of that makes his life easier.

NFL Next Gen Stats defines a quarterback on the run as one traveling more than 8 mph. On those plays, Howell ranks last in the NFL in total expected points added (minus-23.0) and EPA per dropback (minus-1.3). The problem? On 18 dropbacks, he is 8-of-13 for 59 yards, but he has thrown an interception and taken five sacks. Some of those are plays in which he is running for his life, but if offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy can't trust him to run a naked bootleg without taking a sack, it's going to cut off what my friend Nate Tice likes to refer to an "easy button" for young quarterbacks.

The interceptions aren't exactly ideal, either. Howell was a little unlucky to have AJ Epenesa snatch a ball out of the air for a pick-six in Week 3, but Howell's four other interceptions on the season have come on off-platform throws in which he wasn't able to drive the ball. Quarterbacks can't get away with those throws in the NFL unless they have Justin Herbert-level arm strength, and Howell is never going to be that guy. Some quarterbacks make a habit of repeating the same mistake, with Zach Wilson's propensity for throwing late on the run to the middle of the field as an example. Howell has to recognize he can't make those throws and adjust accordingly. Ideally, he's going to be able to anticipate those receivers coming open over the middle of the field earlier, which will prevent defenses from laying waste to him in the pocket.

Even leaving aside the Bills game, Howell wasn't quite as impressive over the first two weeks as it might have seemed. His numbers against the Broncos were inflated by 88 yards on screen passes, which is nearly double the production of any other quarterback on screen passes in a single game this season. Only five other quarterbacks have had games with more yardage from screens over the past five years. Howell had three different screens gain at least 20 yards; the last time that happened in a game was when Nick Foles did it for the Eagles in 2013, which was coach Chip Kelly's first season as an NFL coach. Those are great calls from Bieniemy, but his quarterback wasn't exactly shouldering the load on those plays.

Unlike other quarterbacks on this list, the Commanders have an extremely viable backup. Jacoby Brissett started 11 games for the Browns last season and ranked 10th in Total QBR. His career sack rate is higher than the league average, but at 7.6%, that's about half of Howell's through three games. Crucially, Brissett doesn't turn the ball over, as his career interception rate is just 1.5%. The Commanders rank eighth in points per possession allowed since the start of 2022; their best way of winning games might be by playing defense and protecting the ball on offense.


For now, the Commanders are moving forward with Howell as the starter. Hopefully, what we saw against the Bills was one bad start and a lesson for him to learn as he continues on his path toward becoming a franchise quarterback. With the Eagles coming up Sunday, though, his ability to avoid sacks and protect the ball will be tested. If he can't hold onto it, coach Ron Rivera will have no choice but to give Brissett a try.

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Thanks for sharing the details as I'm not subscriber to ESPN. The assessment seems appropriate and debbie-downer.

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[quote=GridIron26;1346709]Thanks for sharing the details as I'm not subscriber to ESPN. The assessment seems appropriate and debbie-downer.[/quote]

Not trying to defend Howell, but I think there's a big difference between players like Sam and Ridder who obviously need development, and the rest of the QBs on that list, who are either veterans that are obviously in decline (Russ, Tannehill) and first-round busts (Wilson and Baker).

Hell, even Ridder has played 3 more games (7 games) than Howell (4 games).

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[quote=GridIron26;1346709]Thanks for sharing the details as I'm not subscriber to ESPN. The assessment seems appropriate and debbie-downer.[/quote]

i figure most don't have the subscription

But i feel like it was a fair assessment with his current body of work

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[quote=Ruhskins;1346710]Not trying to defend Howell, but I think there's a big difference between players like Sam and Ridder who obviously need development, and the rest of the QBs on that list, who are either veterans that are obviously in decline (Russ, Tannehill) and first-round busts (Wilson and Baker).

Hell, even Ridder has played 3 more games (7 games) than Howell (4 games).[/quote]

Its titled six candidates that could get benched; Sam love him or not is definitely a benching candidate

Plus they are not pitting each QB against each other, I am not sure where you are trying to go with your argument. The list could have been 0 or 32 long.

Wilsons play has no bearing on Sam and vice a verses but both are strong candidates for benching.

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[quote=mredskins;1346712]Its titled six candidates that could get benched; Sam love him or not is definitely a benching candidate

Plus they are not pitting each QB against each other, I am not sure where you are trying to go with your argument. The list could have been 0 or 32 long.

Wilsons play has no bearing on Sam and vice a verses but both are strong candidates for benching.[/quote]

I guess by that logic, then they should have included Bryce Young, who was pretty terrible in his first start and is already hurt (durability was a big question given his size).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1346713]I guess by that logic, then they should have included Bryce Young, who was pretty terrible in his first start and is already hurt (durability was a big question given his size).[/quote]

Sure I guess, still doesn't mean Sam shouldn't be a potential candidate for benching

But it is also pretty obvious Bryce has a much longer rope then anyone of the six on that list, considering his draft stock and career starts

The only thing that will bench Bryce this season would be an injury

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Very good assessment there. My two cents are that Howell himself does have a longer leash. Even if he plays the way he has we could be sitting at 5-2 or 4-3. Neither is a bad mark. The flip side is RR might be playing for his job too if he is, he knows Brissett has more precision.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1346716]Very good assessment there. My two cents are that Howell himself does have a longer leash. Even if he plays the way he has we could be sitting at 5-2 or 4-3. Neither is a bad mark. The flip side is RR might be playing for his job too if he is, he knows Brissett has more precision.[/quote]

Think of Sam as a coin currently flipping around in the air , heads he is a franchise QB and tails he is a bust, we are still waiting for the coin to land and IMO it should flip for 17 games because what does Brissett really bring? Maybe if he is better then Sam say 2 or 3 more wins better; he certainly isn't anyone's long term answer at QB1 but a very nice QB2 (which more and more in todays NFL is a very nice piece to have on a contending team)

We really need to see Sam and write out the entire chapter and say definitely he is is or is not the MAN.

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I see no point in turning to JB until we know for sure Sam isn’t the guy.

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[quote=mredskins;1346707]Good article in ESPN :
[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/38499873/ranking-six-nfl-quarterbacks-get-benched-2023-zach-wilson-sam-howell[/url]
[/quote]

Great read, thank you!

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I don't understand why the Jets don't call Wentz. He is better than Wilson and the guy they just bought in.