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We are #2 in the draft. It appears that either Rivera or Lewis are going to be the HC and probably in charge of this years draft. Since both these Coaches are defensively oriented it makes sense that they may think about Chase Young.

I see it either being Chase Young or trade down for a boatload of picks to fill our many holes. It may depend on whether teams offer a king’s ransom that we can’t ignore.

I also see if we make trades of older FA like Trent Williams and Kerrigan for draft picks.


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If you're truly confused on what the Redskins should do with the 2nd pick in the Draft, it's a pretty simple observation to make: [B]Nick Bosa.[/B]

He is the night & day difference for the 49ers' defense this year,...which allowed time for Jimmy G to have a slow start on the season, then get his feet wet and have a successful year.

It's really an open and shut case as far as the #2 pick: You pick the BPA,..and that will be Chase Young.

Just like last year with Arizona,...the Bengals are extremely desperate for a top flight playercaller at the most valuable position,...which opens the door for the Redskins to take the best player in the draft.

You only do your due diligence with everyone else simply crazy things do happen between here and April, and you do have more picks to make in the draft anyway.

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Young is not Bosa, Young disappeared the last two games. Trade the #2 for picks.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1241310]Young is not Bosa, Young disappeared the last two games. Trade the #2 for picks.[/quote]

Sure.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1241310]Young is not Bosa, Young disappeared the last two games. Trade the #2 for picks.[/QUOTE]Remember when we dominated the raiders a few years ago?

What does that say about Kalil Mack? The answer is nothing.

How many times was young double teamed, or otherwise taken out of the play by scheming around his responsibility?

Are you basing that on the stat line or because you watched film with a member of the coaching staff, or something in between?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1241317]Remember when we dominated the raiders a few years ago?

What does that say about Kalil Mack? The answer is nothing.

How many times was young double teamed, or otherwise taken out of the play by scheming around his responsibility?

Are you basing that on the stat line or because you watched film with a member of the coaching staff, or something in between?

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Young is a good player, however, you need to get a great player at #2. Yes, I have watched videos with a member of the coaching staff. We could not find any film on Young. Where are all the "experts" who said the D-line would be great with Allen, Payne, Kerrigan, and Matt I?

One player is not going to turn everything around....no second-round pick too, and plenty of holes to fill.

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Chase Young is a no brainier. You take him and run, unless you get a RG 3 type deal. You do not over complicate it, you turn the card in and take the best player.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1241319]Young is a good player, however, you need to get a great player at #2. Yes, I have watched videos with a member of the coaching staff. We could not find any film on Young. Where are all the "experts" who said the D-line would be great with Allen, Payne, Kerrigan, and Matt I?

One player is not going to turn everything around....no second-round pick too, and plenty of holes to fill.[/quote]

It did for SF with Bosa, we are built almost the same. Bosa was the missing link, young is our missing link that Kerrigan can’t provide on a consistent basis. Young is explosive and a big time disruptor, we haven’t this kind of pass rush since Manley and Mann.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1241320]Chase Young is a no brainier. You take him and run, unless you get a RG 3 type deal. You do not over complicate it, you turn the card in and take the best player.[/quote]

Redskin "no brainers" picks in the top 5

Desmond Howard
Heath Schuler
Westbrook
LeVar Arrington
RG lll

And a few that were good.

Sean Taylor
Samuels

Trent

Scherif ? drafted as a tackle

So, the "no brainer" picks were less than 50% accurate

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7/9 made it to at least one probowl, 1 x ROY, and 1 x Super bowl MVP.
Scherff was a tackle drafted to play Guard.

What’s the percentage of pro bowlers drafted after the second rounds?

This team needs more blue chip talent not more Troy Apkes or Wes Martins.

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[quote=jamf;1241327]7/9 made it to at least one probowl, 1 x ROY, and 1 x Super bowl MVP.
Scherff was a tackle drafted to play Guard.

What’s the percentage of pro bowlers drafted after the second rounds?

This team needs more blue chip talent not more Troy Apkes or Wes Martins.[/quote]

What’s wrong with Wes Martin? He’s solid and getting better.

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[quote=jamf;1241327]7/9 made it to at least one probowl, 1 x ROY, and 1 x Super bowl MVP.
Scherff was a tackle drafted to play Guard.

What’s the percentage of pro bowlers drafted after the second rounds?

This team needs more blue chip talent not more Troy Apkes or Wes Martins.[/quote]

Actually Scherff was a tackle drafted to play tackle. They tried for several weeks to make him a tackle. Guards are very rarely top 5 picks.

We are talking about top 5 picks in the draft, not mid-round picks.There are plenty of pro-bowl players that were not top 5 picks in the first round. When you get a year or two good seasons from a top 5 pick he is a bust.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1241310]Young is not Bosa, Young disappeared the last two games. Trade the #2 for picks.[/QUOTE]



No way he has been more dominant than Bosa waa at OSU. He gets double teamed to death. Also remember that when you know your about to cash it in you might just play safer. He will be better than Bosa. Already is on the collegiate level.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1241323]Redskin "no brainers" picks in the top 5



Desmond Howard

Heath Schuler

Westbrook

LeVar Arrington

RG lll



And a few that were good.



Sean Taylor

Samuels



Trent



Scherif ? drafted as a tackle



So, the "no brainer" picks were less than 50% accurate[/QUOTE]



None of those players had the potential coming out that Young has. None were as coveted. Of course he could Tony Mandarich. Anyone can. But you don’t not draft him because he might he a bust. And honestly if you have watched him the last couple years there is nothing that should make you shy away from him. I can’t even imagine what will be listed under weaknesses.

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Lavar was pretty good

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1241567]Lavar was pretty good

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Yeah. Three pro bowls in his five years with us. Got injured and had issues with Greg Williams if I remember correctly....just another really good player who had the misfortune of playing for the Washington Trainwrecks

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[quote=punch it in;1241569]Yeah. Three pro bowls in his five years with us. Got injured and had issues with Greg Williams if I remember correctly....just another really good player who had the misfortune of playing for the Washington Trainwrecks[/quote]

That's kind of a false narrative. He was always regarded as a freelancer, a guy who made plays but was never willing to completely buy in and play by the system. Gregg Williams couldn't stand him for that reason, G.Will only wants guys who are going to buy in. Then Lavar kept having problems with knee injuries, and eventually the relationship soured to the point Lavar was willing to pay the Redskins 4 million to get out of his contract. Then he signed with the Giants to get revenge on the Redskins twice a year and his career ended after he broke his leg in a bike accident.

QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1241323]Redskin "no brainers" picks in the top 5



Desmond Howard

Heath Schuler

Westbrook

LeVar Arrington

RG lll



And a few that were good.



Sean Taylor

Samuels



Trent



Scherif ? drafted as a tackle



So, the "no brainer" picks were less than 50% accurate[/QUOTE]



You call Chris Samuels and Trent Williams just “good”. These were the number 1 or 2 BEST left OT in the entire NFL, with numerous pro bowl appearances and long-time, outstanding players on the Redskins. What do you have to do to become “very good” or “excellent” -be a HOFer?

With the first round pick you need a immediate and long-term starter in critical positions. With a high, first-rounder (like our #2 pick) pick you need the above criteria and to a star or superstar. With Sean Taylor, Samuels and yes, Trent Williams you had the best player on the team and a leader. Sean was taken well before his prime.

Of the first five pick busts listed above, you are right -they were bad picks (although Desmond Howard ran back a kick in the SB for Green Bay and LaVar was pretty decent). But some of these picks violated how you use a high draft pick in the first round. It must be for a critical position: two of those first five were WR : Howard and Westbrook plus Dotson (not on list but also a first rounder). WR is not a critical position but a skill position.

Two of the 1st round draft busts above were QB: Shuler, RGIII and also Campbell (drafted in late first round). QB is a hard pick because it’s difficult to know is a QB can transition in the NFL.

Arrington was also good but only lasted 5 years. But again is LB a critical position on the team, when you don’t have a good QB?

Many of these picks were made in the 20 years of the Snyder era, where he and his lackey (Cerrato & Allen) made the draft decisions. Their track record is poor.

In the last two years the draft has been managed largely by Kyle Smith (with some Snyder micromanagement). He has done very well in the 2019 with 8 rookie starters this year! I trust him and Rivera to make the right decision.

Kyle Smith, Rivera, Del Rio and others will undoubtedly scrutinize all of Chase Young’s tape, they will see how he does in the Combine and they will interview him, probably multiple times. They will know a great deal about Chase Young as a player and as a man.

If they chose him, I am confident Chase will do well or better, although nothing is guaranteed. If they trade down, it is either because they had doubts about Chase Young or they got an incredible trade deal that they could not pass up.

If Chase is drafted after all the time spent looking at him, then the expectation is for him to be a star or superstar and a leader on the team. A game changer who helps or inspires the others on the defense to do better. Having Chase Young paired with Sweat in a 4-3 scheme, with Jack Del Rio as their DC, is almost a dream come true.

Young-Sweat could be the best pass rush combo since Manley-Mann pass rush titans of yesteryear. If they draft Young it means he has passed all the tests and he has shown great ability in the tape review. He could be a superstar passing rush freak!






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FWIW....Chase Young declares for the draft today

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I'm not by any means a talent evaluator, so I am going to trust Rivera/Del Rio and the near unanimous punditry when it comes to evaluating Chase Young but I have a question for all the Chase Young lovers on here.

In the following highlight clip, at the 4:28 to 4:36 mark, he avoids blocking during a fumble return and the guy he doesn't block is part of the tackle. How does that fit with the aggression you would expect from him in the same instance on our team?

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I admittedly am just taking the talking heads word for it that Chase Young will be "better than both Bosas". I dont watch a lot of college ball and when I did to specifically watch Young, he wasnt impactful. I watched like 2 games so small sample size.

BUT .. his speed and get off is undeniably fast. I though maybe he might be to small to play end all 3 downs and hold the edge but then hes listed like 6'5" 260 lbs. Thats plenty big enough to play the end in the NFL imo.

Bowl game he was a half second or finger tip away from getting to the QB so many times.

[B]His first step may be the quickest in the NFL once he gets there.[/B] I take him at 2 and dont look back.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241881]I'm not by any means a talent evaluator, so I am going to trust Rivera/Del Rio and the near unanimous punditry when it comes to evaluating Chase Young but I have a question for all the Chase Young lovers on here.

In the following highlight clip, at the 4:28 to 4:36 mark, he avoids blocking during a fumble return and the guy he doesn't block is part of the tackle. How does that fit with the aggression you would expect from him in the same instance on our team?

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That is pretty embarrassing but I'm still taking him. You can coach him up to block on fumble returns, you can't coach athletic ability, which he has in spades.

The only questions I have are about his attitude and outlook. Is he gonna be one of those guys who skates by on athletic ability and never lives up to their full potential? Or will he be a talented headcase because his shit doesn't stink? Only way I'm not taking him is if he won't buy into the system because he thinks his way is better.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28416265/ohio-state-de-chase-young-announces-entering-nfl-draft[/url]

Chase Young declares for the draft.

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[quote=mooby;1241895][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28416265/ohio-state-de-chase-young-announces-entering-nfl-draft[/url]

Chase Young declares for the draft.[/quote]

He’s ours, don’t fuck it up and trade down.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241900]He’s ours, don’t fuck it up and trade down.[/quote]

I would trade down if the Bengals passed on Joe Burrow and we got rid of the #2 for a kings ransom. I like Chase Young but one player isn't going to make or break the defense.

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Burrow at 1 and Young at 2 are lead pipe locks


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[quote=MTK;1241948]Burrow at 1 and Young at 2 are lead pipe locks


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That's what I think, as well. The Bengals may have Young rated a bit higher than Burrow, but they must take the elite QB in their circumstances. As for the Skins, you're looking at the best player in the draft who plays a high impact position sitting there for the taking. It's a no brainer. Come on down Chase Young!

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CRed, stop overthinking brother. You’re very smart but have a drink and unplug your brain.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1241950]That's what I think, as well. The Bengals may have Young rated a bit higher than Burrow, but they must take the elite QB in their circumstances. As for the Skins, you're looking at the best player in the draft who plays a high impact position sitting there for the taking. It's a no brainer. Come on down Chase Young![/quote]

I agree (1st post and I'm from the UK, go easy on me!)

I don't watch any college football but everybody keeps telling me Young is the best baller in the draft. Add him to Sweat, Kerrigan (if he stays) Allen, Ionnidis, Payne and Holcomb and it really is a no brainer. Then add the fact he/they are going to be coached by JDR and Rivera and WOW! The future looks very exciting.

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[quote=Brummie Brave;1241956]I agree (1st post and I'm from the UK, go easy on me!)

I don't watch any college football but everybody keeps telling me Young is the best baller in the draft. Add him to Sweat, Kerrigan (if he stays) Allen, Ionnidis, Payne and Holcomb and it really is a no brainer. Then add the fact he/they are going to be coached by JDR and Rivera and WOW! The future looks very exciting.[/quote]

Welcome!

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[quote=Number44;1241957]Welcome![/quote]

Thank you. Its nice to be here. The layout of the forum looks great and it seems there are plenty of knowledgeable folks in here I can learn from.

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Welcome to the board.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1241959]Welcome to the board.[/quote]

Thank you. I'm probably de-railing the thread by keep saying thanks but I do appreciate the warm welcome

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If my memory serves me correctly Jadeveon Clowney came with the same hype that Chase Young has and his stock even went up after the combine. I still am for trading down if the price is right. There is no such thing as a can't miss pick. The Redskins have too many holes to fill, the more picks the better.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1241965]If my memory serves me correctly Jadeveon Clowney came with the same hype that Chase Young has and his stock even went up after the combine. I still am for trading down if the price is right. There is no such thing as a can't miss pick. The Redskins have too many holes to fill, the more picks the better.[/quote]

Sean Taylor, Quenton Nelson, Bosa, etc.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1241965]If my memory serves me correctly Jadeveon Clowney came with the same hype that Chase Young has and his stock even went up after the combine. I still am for trading down if the price is right. There is no such thing as a can't miss pick. The Redskins have too many holes to fill, the more picks the better.[/QUOTE]We don't have a single player on the roster who is all pro caliber.

Let's try to get one at a premium position...

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[quote=Brummie Brave;1241963]Thank you. I'm probably de-railing the thread by keep saying thanks but I do appreciate the warm welcome[/quote]

Hey, only other UK member (I'm aware of) and another Brummie too. Orroight! 😁

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1241971]We don't have a single player on the roster who is all pro caliber.

Let's try to get one at a premium position...

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Let’s get a JJ Watt type vs Ryan Kerrigan this time around



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[quote=MTK;1241990]Let’s get a JJ Watt type vs Ryan Kerrigan this time around



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Exactly...

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1241989]Hey, only other UK member (I'm aware of) and another Brummie too. Orroight! 😁[/quote]

Originally from Coventry City myself.