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[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2012/08/04/redskins-sign-tony-moll-formerly-of-san-diego/]Redskins Sign Offensive Lineman Tony Moll, Formerly Of San Diego - Redskins Journal[/url]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;928496][url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2012/08/04/redskins-sign-tony-moll-formerly-of-san-diego/]Redskins Sign Offensive Lineman Tony Moll, Formerly Of San Diego - Redskins Journal[/url][/QUOTE]

Its something.

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[quote=SmootSmack;928496][url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2012/08/04/redskins-sign-tony-moll-formerly-of-san-diego/]Redskins Sign Offensive Lineman Tony Moll, Formerly Of San Diego - Redskins Journal[/url][/quote]

I llike to see a breakdown or preliminary depth chart as to who's getting reps at which position and with which team on the OL. I'm fine knowing that the best (healthy) player will play but, I'm not clear where LeRibeus, Gettis, and Compton fit in. Maybe it's still too early tell.

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[quote=Monksdown;928376]if we had two silverbacks as bookend tackles, we'd be set. There is your noah tie in.[/quote]

But who would be the female? Thats the question........

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Moll will get a look a OG.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/quick-hits-ryan-kerrigan-sits-because-of-heat-related-illness/2012/08/04/658db9f0-de64-11e1-af1d-753c613ff6d8_blog.html"]— Shanahan said Tony Moll, signed yesterday but announced today, is going to compete as a guard. Moll has started 22 games since 2006, with the majority coming at guard, and some at tackle.[/URL]

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I bet we would have went hard for RT if we had no sanctions on the cap, but at least Shannahan realizes how we need help so every cut ends up in us bringing in a new tackle. At least he knows its an issue. My bet is that we will get a tackle next year in the second or third round.

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Reports have surfaced that Tyler Polumbus and Willie Smith have been inconsistent at training camp playing right tackle. The Redskins need assurance and insurance at this position. The team should sacrifice a 2nd or 3rd round draft selection for Ravens T Michael Oher. But unfortunately for us, Baltimore would never make that trade.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;928579]Reports have surfaced that Tyler Polumbus and Willie Smith have been inconsistent at training camp playing right tackle. The Redskins need assurance and insurance at this position. The team should sacrifice a 2nd or 3rd round draft selection for Ravens T Michael Oher. But unfortunately for us, Baltimore would never make that trade.[/quote]

From the WP:

[B]●It will be interesting to see where new addition Tony Moll works his way into the offensive line equation. He has played guard and tackle but will be a guard for Washington. With Kory Lichtensteiger rehabbing and Maurice Hurt and Josh LeRibeus displaying inconsistent play, another guy is definitely worth considering. Moll took part in some drills today but won’t practice fully until Tuesday. Hard to envision him playing Thursday.

Meanwhile, Jordan Black and Willie Smith have both gotten work at right tackle on the second team. Black so far looks like you’d expect an underweight guy that has been out of football to look. Smith has had some good moments and some struggles. And interim starter Tyler Polumbus is inconsistent as well. The good news for the Redskins is the preseason is still young.[/B]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;928582]From the WP:

[B]●It will be interesting to see where new addition Tony Moll works his way into the offensive line equation. He has played guard and tackle but will be a guard for Washington. With Kory Lichtensteiger rehabbing and Maurice Hurt and Josh LeRibeus displaying inconsistent play, another guy is definitely worth considering. Moll took part in some drills today but won’t practice fully until Tuesday. Hard to envision him playing Thursday.

Meanwhile, Jordan Black and Willie Smith have both gotten work at right tackle on the second team. Black so far looks like you’d expect an underweight guy that has been out of football to look. Smith has had some good moments and some struggles. And interim starter Tyler Polumbus is inconsistent as well. [U]The good news for the Redskins is the preseason is still young.[/U][/B][/quote]

I've heard that many times before, and guess what, its still a struggle throughout not just preseason but regular season until you fix it. Tony Moll isn't fixing it. Nor is Jammal Brown being healthy.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;928582]From the WP:

[B]●It will be interesting to see where new addition Tony Moll works his way into the offensive line equation. He has played guard and tackle but will be a guard for Washington. With Kory Lichtensteiger rehabbing and Maurice Hurt and Josh LeRibeus displaying inconsistent play, another guy is definitely worth considering. Moll took part in some drills today but won’t practice fully until Tuesday. Hard to envision him playing Thursday.

Meanwhile, Jordan Black and Willie Smith have both gotten work at right tackle on the second team. Black so far looks like you’d expect an underweight guy that has been out of football to look. Smith has had some good moments and some struggles. And interim starter Tyler Polumbus is inconsistent as well. The good news for the Redskins is the preseason is still young.[/B][/quote]

The Redskins haven't has a true right tackle since Jon Jansen. The fact of the matter is Polumbus is the best guy for the starting job at right tackle based on how well he performed at the position last year. But next off season, the Redskins need to address this position once and for all if there's inconsistent play all throughout this season.

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Hope this doesn't end up like the Zorn year when we just ran left the entire year... Remember a couple of series where there were about 7 left-sided runs in a row, including 3 in a row at the goal line... Ugh.

My gut feeling is that these issues will work out over time, likely w Polumbus starting. Won't be great, but hopefully will be serviceable. We spend a lot of time worrying about the O-line, but Shanny usually figures it out by mid season, and has had a history of fixing the O-line with low-end prospects. Unfortunately, it may mean we'll get Hightower / Cooley to help with the right sided blocks, which could limit some of their respective offensive production until next year.

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Polumbu and Smith can dothe job at RT. Every team has a weak spot, although I don't think that is the skins'. We need to grow our own players, they shouldn't bring in anyone els give one of those guy's some confidence and let him play. Somebody within this regime signed those player's now let's let em play. "Next man up" and go get em.

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[quote=whistler;928650]Polumbu and Smith can dothe job at RT. Every team has a weak spot, although I don't think that is the skins'. We need to grow our own players, they shouldn't bring in anyone els give one of those guy's some confidence and let him play. Somebody within this regime signed those player's now let's let em play. "Next man up" and go get em.[/quote]

^^^^^^Sounds like a plan......

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[quote=whistler;928650]Polumbu and Smith can dothe job at RT. Every team has a weak spot, although I don't think that is the skins'. We need to grow our own players, they shouldn't bring in anyone els give one of those guy's some confidence and let him play. Somebody within this regime signed those player's now let's let em play. "Next man up" and go get em.[/quote]

I can appreciate that plan of use our own guys to take care of the issue, which is what we gonna have to do at this point. But RT has been an ongoing issue and we obviously havent plan accordingly. Its very concerning to read that Polumbus and Smith are both struggling right off the bat. Even an average Tackle who gets cut will be worth signing for depth issues.

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We should bring in Marcus McNeil if this inconsistency continues.

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Why should we bring in an injured lineman?

It's tough to read much into Smith/Polumbus's struggles. Is it in one on one drills, or is it during actual plays. Because if it's the latter, it may be because RG3 (as we've been told) is holding the ball too long so the fault more so lies at his feet. Although, many people believe he's being told by Mike and Kyle to hold onto the ball and just go through all his reads and not worry so much right now about getting rid of the ball since he's not going to get touched anyway.

We'll know for sure on Thursday

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[quote=SmootSmack;928668]Why should we bring in an injured lineman?

It's tough to read much into Smith/Polumbus's struggles. Is it in one on one drills, or is it during actual plays. Because if it's the latter, it may be because RG3 (as we've been told) is holding the ball too long so the fault more so lies at his feet. [B]Although, many people believe he's being told by Mike and Kyle to hold onto the ball and just go through all his reads and not worry so much right now about getting rid of the ball since he's not going to get touched anyway.[/B]
We'll know for sure on Thursday[/quote]

To me that makes alot of sense.

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I definitely buy the theory that he's holding the ball for the purpose of learning his progressions. That's why it's called practice.

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I'm really not that big on those reserve free agent right tackles the Redskins have bought in the past few days. I understand Mike Shanahan wanting to give Jammal Brown the benefit of the doubt. He gave him a chance to get healthy, and Brown's hip remains a lingering problem. Within the first few days of free agency, Bruce Allen should have signed a quality right tackle. Willie Smith and Tyler Polumbus both did play well last year down the stretch, but the question is how capable are they both playing once the games count after preseason. Let's hope Shanahan didn't make a miscalculation by not cutting Brown.

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[quote=Mattyk;928676]I definitely buy the theory that he's holding the ball for the purpose of learning his progressions. That's why it's called practice.[/quote]



So are you saying its too soon to call him Jason Campbell Jr.? :laughing-

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;928691]I'm really not that big on those reserve free agent right tackles the Redskins have bought in the past few days. I understand Mike Shanahan wanting to give Jammal Brown the benefit of the doubt. He gave him a chance to get healthy, and Brown's hip remains a lingering problem. Within the first few days of free agency, [B]Bruce Allen should have signed a quality right tackle.[/B] Willie Smith and Tyler Polumbus both did play well last year down the stretch, but the question is how capable are they both playing once the games count after preseason. Let's hope Shanahan didn't make a miscalculation by not cutting Brown.[/quote]

How? With the sanctions his hands were tied a little. And who?

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[quote=rypper11;928706]How? With the sanctions his hands were tied a little. And who?[/quote]

They did draft a tackle in the 6th round. But they still gave too much leeway to Brown. Mike Shanahan surely could have thought of the strong possibility that this man's hip wasn't going to ever heal. And through all of the rehab and the yoga, his hip didn't. That's a bad miscalculation by the head coach. Shanahan does think highly of Polumbus, but is Polumbus 16 game starting material? They should've gone after Bruce Campbell or perhaps made a trade. Now they are scrambling no names into camp to cover a position that doesn't look too solid at present.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;928710]They did draft a tackle in the 6th round. But they still gave too much leeway to Brown. Mike Shanahan surely could have thought of the strong possibility that this man's hip wasn't going to ever heal. And through all of the rehab and the yoga, his hip didn't. That's a bad miscalculation by the head coach. Shanahan does think highly of Polumbus, but is Polumbus 16 game starting material? They should've gone after Bruce Campbell or perhaps made a trade. Now they are scrambling no names into camp to cover a position that doesn't look too solid at present.[/quote]

Let Smith and Polumbus play the exhibition games before we say they can't play. Both showed promise and improvement last year (especially Smith) I'll panic after the 4th exhibition game if they both suck.

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The Redskins front office appears to have thrown all of its eggs into one basket concerning Jammal Brown. Mike Shanahan said earlier in the off season that Jammal Brown was going to have to prove that he can stay healthy in order to be able to make the team. I'm not saying that Willie Smith or Tyler Polumbus can't do a good enough job at right tackle. All I'm saying is considering the fact that Brown's injury hasn't healed and he's ended up on IR two years straight and hasn't played a full season since he's been in Washington is cause enough for the Redskins front office to have acquired a decent tackle to man the right side earlier this offseason.

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[quote=Mattyk;928676]I definitely buy the theory that he's holding the ball for the purpose of learning his progressions. That's why it's called practice.[/quote]

Good point. It's (too) easy to get anxious about a report like that but then we gotta stop and think...

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;928710]They should've gone after Bruce Campbell or perhaps made a trade. Now they are scrambling no names into camp to cover a position that doesn't look too solid at present.[/quote]

Dafuq?? Bruce Campbell? The guy who has done absolutely nothing in his time so far in the NFL? You mean that proven guy?...lol

No namers? So we should only bring in guys that are popular and recognized by the majority of the fan base?...lol Yeah, guys like you would have never have brought in a guy like Arian Foster, London Fletcher, Wes Welker, or Rod Smith. (list continues) All "no names".

Guess since we hear Mel Kiper pump up Bruce Campbell as a 1st round prospect, he must be the real deal!!

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Hey all - my first post on the warpath - just got booted from extreme skins for "speaking out" about this issue - what a breath of fresh air to see that you are not all homers afraid to speak out against the man. lol - now that i got that off my chest - im keeping my fingers crossed that we pull something together - heard gettis is looking good in camp - need Leribeus to step up and Trent to have a BREAKOUT year. What are your thought on the Cousins pick - im of the school of thought we should have gone after an olineman there - kelemete was projected as a good ZBS fit....

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[quote=punch it in;928835]Hey all - my first post on the warpath - just got booted from extreme skins for "speaking out" about this issue - what a breath of fresh air to see that you are not all homers afraid to speak out against the man. lol - now that i got that off my chest - im keeping my fingers crossed that we pull something together - heard gettis is looking good in camp - need Leribeus to step up and Trent to have a BREAKOUT year. What are your thought on the Cousins pick - im of the school of thought we should have gone after an olineman there - kelemete was projected as a good ZBS fit....[/quote]

You don't have to try and squeeze all your thoughts into one post, but otherwise, welcome to the boards!

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[quote=mooby;928839]You don't have to try and squeeze all your thoughts into one post, but otherwise, welcome to the boards![/quote]

sorry my computer was at 8% and not plugged in .......lol
thanks!

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[quote=mooby;928839]You don't have to try and squeeze all your thoughts into one post, but otherwise, welcome to the boards![/quote]

His name is "punch it in".


Welcome to the board. We welcome the banned from ES.

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[quote=punch it in;928835]Hey all - my first post on the warpath - just got booted from extreme skins for "speaking out" about this issue - what a breath of fresh air to see that you are not all homers afraid to speak out against the man. lol - now that i got that off my chest - im keeping my fingers crossed that we pull something together - heard gettis is looking good in camp - need Leribeus to step up and Trent to have a BREAKOUT year. What are your thought on the Cousins pick - im of the school of thought we should have gone after an olineman there - kelemete was projected as a good ZBS fit....[/quote]

The Cousins pick doesnt bother me; young, back up QB was another need and in the 4th, value was there. The Leribeus pick should have been the Tackle pick imo, McRib mighta been there in the 5th.

Thanks for your actively, refreshing post.

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[quote=Monkeydad;928841]His name is "punch it in".


Welcome to the board. We welcome the banned from ES.[/quote]

Hah - thanks Monkeydad.

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[quote=Chico23231;928842]The Cousins pick doesnt bother me; young, back up QB was another need and in the 4th, value was there. The Leribeus pick should have been the Tackle pick imo, McRib mighta been there in the 5th.

Thanks for your actively, refreshing post.[/quote]

Yeah im not totally bothered by it - Mo Hurt is coming along - and I think next year in draft and fa we go after DB's and OLINE - Rome wasnt built in a day - man am i hoping we got a good enough line that RG-3 dont get killed this year - i think we will be fine ...

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[quote=punch it in;928835]Hey all - my first post on the warpath - just got booted from extreme skins for "speaking out" about this issue - what a breath of fresh air to see that you are not all homers afraid to speak out against the man. lol - now that i got that off my chest - im keeping my fingers crossed that we pull something together - heard gettis is looking good in camp - need Leribeus to step up and Trent to have a BREAKOUT year. What are your thought on the Cousins pick - im of the school of thought we should have gone after an olineman there - kelemete was projected as a good ZBS fit....[/quote]

Welcome.

I have zero issues with the cousins pick. We can't keep Rex forever, and might as well bring in a quality guy (in terms of talent) to learn to be the backup. Who knows, with a little luck he can be a pre-season super star and we flip him like the Eagles do their QBs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;928902]Welcome.

I have zero issues with the cousins pick. We can't keep Rex forever, and might as well bring in a quality guy (in terms of talent) to learn to be the backup. Who knows, with a little luck he can be a pre-season super star and we flip him like the Eagles do their QBs.[/quote]
That was my first thought when we drafted him. Maybe we could flip him to the cowboys and it will work out for them like the cardinals and kolb. Lol. Oh and thanks.

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With Chester going down in practice today with a left leg injury (severity TBD) I think we can blame bad luck more than poor planning. It's impossible to be two starters deep at every position group and no other team has injuries to 3 starting linemen. I'm fine with how we've addressed our depth with players with NFL starts (Polumbus, Smith, Hurt) and drafted rookies (LeReibus, Gettis, Compton) who will back up the starters. I also refuse to hit the regular season panic button until September.

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This is the reason most guys have a opportunity to step up and mesh into the starting lineup. I've seen some opinions here that Chester is average. If he goes down, I guess those won't be too alarmed.

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If someone goes down, it gives another man an opportunity to make the most out of an opportunity he otherwise wouldn't have. The Redskins still have Maurice Hurt to fill in at Chester's position on the line. Hurt played on the left side last season and did a tremendous job so he is capable.

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[quote=Paintrain;928912]With Chester going down in practice today with a left leg injury (severity TBD) I think we can blame bad luck more than poor planning. It's impossible to be two starters deep at every position group and no other team has injuries to 3 starting linemen. I'm fine with how we've addressed our depth with players with NFL starts (Polumbus, Smith, Hurt) and drafted rookies (LeReibus, Gettis, Compton) who will back up the starters. I also refuse to hit the regular season panic button until September.[/quote]

Was at the water park all day and have not heard this - please tell me you are joking? please? I feel like ever since Jansen went down in that Thursday opener against the Jets several years ago that our o-line has been cursed with the injury bug. I realize as a skins fan that I pay more attention to my team but Ill be damned if we can go five minutes without having to scramble our o-line. That being said Im going to pray that the Chester injury is of the least possible severity..............

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Chester has a mild ankle sprain.