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Gano has missed the important field goals. they will bring someone into camp to compete with him. Just like last year. I think he will lose this year

I'm not the biggest Hall supporter either. Just like Gano he misses key plays i.e. Dez Bryant on 3rd and long. Haslett and M Shanny seems to like him and we over paid him so I don't think it would be easy to get rid of him. Also, there is no one on the roster better than him. I think we use late round picks to come in and compete.

I think FA and early round draft picks will all be used on Offense since last year it was all about Defense. We signed Cofield, Bowen, Wilson, and Atogwe and drafted Kerrigan and Jenkins in the first two rounds. If Jenkins didn't get hurt he could be starting by now. that means over half of our starting D would have been offseason additions.

I think vjax is the biggest name available, I think Bowe, Colston, and Stevie Johnson resign with their current teams otherwise Ill take any of them. Desean would be okay we need a big guy more than a speedster.

There are alot of good O linemen available in FA. I like Grubbs especially since we already took Chester from Bmore. I think Kyle might try to get Christ Myers from Houston but I don't think they'll let him go. Either way we try to sign at least one good FA pick up and use 2nd pick (if we don't trade it) on another one.

I think we will have at least 4 new redskins who are starters on offense qb, wr, and 2 olinemen.

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[quote=SkinItup;870213]Gano has missed the important field goals. they will bring someone into camp to compete with him. Just like last year. I think he will lose this year

I'm not the biggest Hall supporter either. Just like Gano he misses key plays i.e. Dez Bryant on 3rd and long. Haslett and M Shanny seems to like him and we over paid him so I don't think it would be easy to get rid of him. Also, there is no one on the roster better than him. I think we use late round picks to come in and compete.

I think FA and early round draft picks will all be used on Offense since last year it was all about Defense. We signed Cofield, Bowen, Wilson, and Atogwe and drafted Kerrigan and Jenkins in the first two rounds. If Jenkins didn't get hurt he could be starting by now. that means over half of our starting D would have been offseason additions.

I think vjax is the biggest name available, I think Bowe, Colston, and Stevie Johnson resign with their current teams otherwise Ill take any of them. Desean would be okay we need a big guy more than a speedster.

There are alot of good O linemen available in FA. I like Grubbs especially since we already took Chester from Bmore. I think Kyle might try to get Christ Myers from Houston but I don't think they'll let him go. Either way we try to sign at least one good FA pick up and use 2nd pick (if we don't trade it) on another one.

I think we will have at least 4 new redskins who are starters on offense qb, wr, and 2 olinemen.[/quote]

With Gano having so little experience, I don't understand why Mike Shanahan had so much confidence in him last year. Gano isn't a bad field goal kicker, but he has cost us games(Houston Texans 2010 & Dallas Cowboys 2011). What I like about Gano is that his growth has accelerated. He's much better this year than he was a year ago. But I agree that Mike Shanahan and Danny Smith will bring in competition for him next preseason.

I'm beginning to dislike DeAngelo Hall. I've said it before. He plays his best football against average wide receivers. But....he can't cover elite receivers.

It's difficult to say what the Redskins will do in free agency. The additions of Marcus Colston or Robert Meachem at WR would be an added benefit. I feel it's time for Mike Shanahan to start looking past Jamaal Brown. Brown is good, but he's inconsistent and he can't stay healthy.

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Gano was 4 for 4 for yesterday with a long of 53.
He's not going anywhere.
Some of you guys are looking for a perfect kicker.
They dont exist.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;870218]I'm beginning to dislike DeAngelo Hall. I've said it before. He plays his best football against average wide receivers. But....he can't cover elite receivers. [/quote]

He sucks, is a big mouth who's way overpaid and can't back up his play, he needs to go. That would make me very happy.

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Does anyone know when the trade period begins and when free agency starts. Also, has anyone looked at the teams we play next year. Wow, it looks like a horrible schedule.

[B][U]2012 home games[/U][/B]
[B]NFC East[/B]
Cowboys
Giants
Eagles
[B]NFC South[/B]
Falcons
Panthers
[B]AFC North[/B]
Ravens
Bengals
[B]4th place NFC North[/B]
Vikings
[B][U]2012 road games[/U][/B]
[B]NFC East[/B]
Cowboys
Giants
Eagles
[B]NFC South[/B]
Saints
Buccaneers
[B]AFC North[/B]
Browns
Steelers
[B]4th place NFC West[/B]
Rams

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[quote=Alvin Walton;870223]Gano was 4 for 4 for yesterday with a long of 53.
He's not going anywhere.
Some of you guys are looking for a perfect kicker.
They dont exist.[/quote]

He is mediocre. Strong leg with average accuracy but misses in the clutch.

Janakowski isn't perfect but he is close.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;870223]Gano was 4 for 4 for yesterday with a long of 53.
He's not going anywhere.
Some of you guys are looking for a perfect kicker.
They dont exist.[/quote]

I approve of Gano. He has the potential to be the best kicker that the Redskins have had since....Mark Mosley. Even a legend like Mosley never kicked a career high 59 yard FG. Gano is growing up as an NFL kicker. I think he'll be pro bowl caliber one day.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;870225]He sucks, is a big mouth who's way overpaid and can't back up his play, he needs to go. That would make me very happy.[/QUOTE]

Yo tambien

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I am not sure why no one is talking about this, but am I the only person that has noticed that Orakpo has become a huge liability to the run defense. He has also slacked way off on sacks. What really bothers me is how he can't shed blockers to make plays against the run.

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[quote=SkinItup;870107]I disagree. If we have a rookie qb next year, the Shannys will be ok as long as they don't go 2-14 or the qb looks like a complete bust. The 4th year is when he has to make at least a playoff push because they won't let him enter the lame duck year with having made progress.[/quote]

I actually agree with your statement, but I really doubt that Snyder sees it the way that we do! Having to remove seats for the Vikings game probably not acceptable to him. I believe he makes a move next season unless we at least contend for playoffs.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;870284]I am not sure why no one is talking about this, but am I the only person that has noticed that Orakpo has become a huge liability to the run defense. He has also slacked way off on sacks. What really bothers me is how he can't shed blockers to make plays against the run.[/quote]

Another opinion on it...

Orakpo has definitely improved against the run; did a good job getting inside for some stops.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/12/ten-observations-vikings-33-redskins-26/2033656#ixzz1hf0gG1sY]Ten observations: Vikings 33, Redskins 26 | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url]

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[quote=T.O.Killa;870284]I am not sure why no one is talking about this, but am I the only person that has noticed that Orakpo has become a huge liability to the run defense. He has also slacked way off on sacks. What really bothers me is how he can't shed blockers to make plays against the run.[/quote]

I am an "out of market" guy, so most games I have to listen to radio broadcast. Orakpo is noticeably absent from Larry's play calls, but I had chalked it up to his newly minted celebrity status-too many commercials, not enough dedication to weight room and film study. Here's hoping he bounces back in a big way next season.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/26/colston-wont-be-giving-the-saints-a-discount/]Colston won’t be giving the Saints a discount | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=redskin29633;870290]I am an "out of market" guy, so most games I have to listen to radio broadcast. Orakpo is noticeably absent from Larry's play calls, but I had chalked it up to his newly minted celebrity status-too many commercials, not enough dedication to weight room and film study. Here's hoping he bounces back in a big way next season.[/quote]

Not sure I'm buying that he's slacked off any.

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This season was all Donovan McNabb's fault just like last season. If we bench Donovan McNabb the Redskins will start winning games because Rex Grossman is much better than McNabb. He can also run the 2 minute offense a lot better which will result in more wins than last year. If we start Grossman, he'll throw for more yards, more TD's, and less INT's. This should be easy considering we've upgraded our offensive line, running game, and WR's (we have a much better supporting cast than last year). Grossman is clearly the better QB, this year Grossman has passed for 2,895 yards, 15 TD's, and 19 INT's. Last year McNabb passed for 3, 377 yards 14 TD's, and 15 INT's.

Rex Grossman is clearly better. I'm glad almost 90% of you on this board ran McNabb out of town and lobbied vociferously for Grossman, your results are proof in the pudding that you know what you're talking about. It was McNabb's fault why we didn't make the playoffs last year. And once we were mathematically eliminated last year I'm glad he deserved all of the blame. He had plenty of time to throw, his defense was the one of the stingiest in the league, and he had all pro's littered through out his offense.

Last but not least, his inaccuracy. I agree he was very inaccurate and Grossman is much better. Grossman completed 58% of his passes last year, way more than DM5's 58.5% he completed when he was here. Our record speaks for itself, the Shannahans were much better once DM5 left, I mean none of it was their fault, it was DM5's, and this years record and QB stats is proof that they were right. Look at the teams we beat this year compared to last year. When DM5 was here, he defeated Vick, Culter, Romo, and Aaron Rogers. Those are small potatoes compared to who Grossman has defeated. Grossman defeated Kevin, Kolb, Tavaris Jackson, Sam Bradford, and Eli Manning.

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Did you also canvas the Viking boards as to why they ran his ass outta' town there as well. OR were you just content to beleaguer them with topics that are fast becoming....history and have no bearing on current events and have been chalked up to...foolish trade?

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[quote=Hog1;870368]Did you also canvas the Viking boards as to why they ran his ass outta' town there as well. OR were you just content to beleaguer them with topics that are fast becoming....history and have no bearing on current events and have been chalked up to...foolish trade?[/quote]

Considering that DM5 had double digit leads at the half in 3 out of his 4 losses in Minnesota I'm cleary blaming DM5 for losing those games too. Since he was demoted, they haven't had a double digit lead at the half since, nor have they won the many more games that were promised once he was gone. Infact his replacement only won one game too, despite having some decent games, which proves it was the QB's fault and the team were contenders.

Bad teams are bad teams for a reason. That's because they're not accountable for their actions. Instead of taking the blame for their poor drafting and poor coaching, they have to delegate the brunt of the blame to a sacrificial lamb. In both of these cases it was DM5. Once DM5 left both of these situations, the teams got worse not better. Meaning the detractors didn't know what the **** they were talking about.

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Considering Shadowbyte seems to have swept Adrian Peterson and a weak strength of schedule under the rug, his polemic carries little weight. Not to mention not many people really thought Grossman was going to be any good when he first came in, only to see a surprisingly productive performance against the Cowboys.

Oh, and no one signed McNabb yet, despite having plenty of openings. Being passed over for Jake Delhomme, Kyle Orton, etc is quite damning. It seems that coaches don't believe he brings anything to the table.

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Actually.....I believe you will have to add Andy and the Eagles to your list of detractors? As he kicked his ass out first? So I guess there are actually 3 teams now that believe he is done? Maybe he is not.....29 teams left to try?
It appears he has become a....non-factor. To my knowledge he is playing...nowhere? Two teams now have taken a flyer on DM without success. His fault, their fault......Nobodies fault. They both apparently have no more interest in McBounce or any confidence in his ability to lead any team....successfully.
In hindsight, Andy Reed was the smart one. He....unloaded him first and we should have known by his indifference to ditching him "in division" that he had...No Fear of what he had left.

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In alot of cases, QBs bare the brunt of a team's play with usually too much praise or too much ridicule. This team after the Zorn era wasnt left alot of talent anywhere. Neither Rex or McNabb have the skills of a top 5 NFL QB to put a team on their back to be that much of a difference maker. I think the biggest mistake was not getting a young talent to develop. Was it McNabb or Rex's fault the team didnt win? No, but both did contribute to the losing.

Neither were the answer, but the question was never, Is this a playoff calibre team? It never was.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;870370]Considering that DM5 had double digit leads at the half in 3 out of his 4 losses in Minnesota I'm cleary blaming DM5 for losing those games too. Since he was demoted, they haven't had a double digit lead at the half since, nor have they won the many more games that were promised once he was gone. Infact his replacement only won one game too, despite having some decent games, which proves it was the QB's fault and the team were contenders.

Bad teams are bad teams for a reason. That's because they're not accountable for their actions. Instead of taking the blame for their poor drafting and poor coaching, they have to delegate the brunt of the blame to a sacrificial lamb. In both of these cases it was DM5. Once DM5 left both of these situations, the teams got worse not better. Meaning the detractors didn't know what the **** they were talking about.[/quote]

Did you see any of the games that "DM5" played for the Redskins or are you to busy being tooting his horn. Missed reads, dirt balls and plain old crappy passes and that stupid ass grin when he blew a pass, please do not come on here and tout D Mcnabb, he sucked in Philly and he sucked in DC, that was all proven by his performance in the first game as a Viking with a total of 39 yards passing. You must realize that he is not a finisher and I do not care what gameplan he was in or wanted he was not accurate enough in the long run to be an elite QB. Get off his johnson dude really.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7390703/mike-shanahan-says-fixing-washington-redskins-harder-thought]Mike Shanahan says fixing Washington Redskins harder than thought - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;870396][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7390703/mike-shanahan-says-fixing-washington-redskins-harder-thought]Mike Shanahan says fixing Washington Redskins harder than thought - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Just as many have been saying all along, the cupboard was pretty bare when MS took over.

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[quote=Hog1;870372]Actually.....I believe you will have to add Andy and the Eagles to your list of detractors? As he kicked his ass out first? So I guess there are actually 3 teams now that believe he is done? Maybe he is not.....29 teams left to try?
It appears he has become a....non-factor. To my knowledge he is playing...nowhere? Two teams now have taken a flyer on DM without success. His fault, their fault......Nobodies fault. They both apparently have no more interest in McBounce or any confidence in his ability to lead any team....successfully.
In hindsight, Andy Reed was the smart one. He....unloaded him first and we should have known by his indifference to ditching him "in division" that he had...No Fear of what he had left.[/quote]

Yes, lets not forget about the Eagles. DM5 has been gone for 2 years now. He was clearly the one who was holding them back. Once he leaves, I'm sure they'll win the superbowl since all DM5 could do was get them in the playoffs and one minuscule superbowl appearance. Kevin Kolb was clearly better too. He was 2-3 as a starter in Philly, and 3 and 6 as a starter in Arizona. I think Andy Reid was right for running him out of town too since he helped the Cardinals and Eagles reach the playoffs.

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[quote=tmandoug1;870377]Did you see any of the games that "DM5" played for the Redskins or are you to busy being tooting his horn. Missed reads, dirt balls and plain old crappy passes and that stupid ass grin when he blew a pass, please do not come on here and tout D Mcnabb, he sucked in Philly and he sucked in DC, that was all proven by his performance in the first game as a Viking with a total of 39 yards passing. You must realize that he is not a finisher and I do not care what gameplan he was in or wanted he was not accurate enough in the long run to be an elite QB. Get off his johnson dude really.[/quote]

Yes I watched the games where DM5 beat the 2 teams that represented the NFC in the championship game last year. Also, can you please tell me who was the last QB to pass for over 3200 for the Redskins? I'll help you out since you're unaware of the facts. It was Gus Ferotte who passed for 3,453 yards in 1996 who started all 16 games. Only 76 more yards than DM5 who only started 12 for us.

So I don't what measuring stick you're using to make your points, emotional assessments don't qualify as facts. The fact of the matter is he's outplayed every QB who's been here since Mark Rypien. Even in Brunells and Ferotte's best years here, they both only completed 57% of their passes. Even Rypiens phenomenal year in 1991 he only completed 59% of his passes, one percent higher than DM5's 58% in 2010. So when you say he's so inaccurate, that's more of an emotional statement than a factual statement. Emotions carry no weight when we're debating the facts.

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Well.....since there are 3 teams that have given him his....."walking Papers"....recently and currently 29 other teams that have expressed...No interest and several of those need a competent QB, it looks bad for DM.
I actually watched a starting NFL QB last night.."playing" that was coaching HS football a few weeks ago....but yet No call to DM....how can that be?
Actually, barring divine intervention, it appears DM's NFL ship has sailed. OR at least it appears that the collective coaching staffs of 32 NFL teams think so.
CFL???

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[quote=Hog1;870405]Well.....since there are 3 teams that have given him his....."walking Papers"....recently and currently 29 other teams that have expressed...No interest and several of those need a competent QB, it looks bad for DM.
I actually watched a starting NFL QB last night.."playing" that was coaching HS football a few weeks ago....but yet No call to DM....how can that be?
Actually, barring divine intervention, it appears DM's NFL ship has sailed. OR at least it appears that the collective coaching staffs of 32 NFL teams think so.
CFL???[/quote]

In some cases perception is everything in the NFL. Lets take Carson Palmer for example. A player who has lived off of perception his entire career. He's 50-55 as a starter, in the last 7 years he's thrown for 150 TD's, 22, 694 yards and 100 INT's and only 2 playoff appearances both resulting in losses. DM5 in the same time-span has thrown for 22, 899 yards, 143 TD's, 56 INT's and has a 9 and 7 playoff record. The only difference is Carson was given yet another chance, garnered 2 1st round picks for doing absolutely nothing and all while accounting for 35 interceptions in less than 2 seasons of play. It's sickening that he can land a starting job but DM5 can't.

McNabb is washed up.


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I actually commend your loyalty to DM...
and for the record, I would never have offered up what they did for CP. AND for the record once I recovered from having a dreaded Eagle on the B&G, I was very excited having McNabb on the Skins and REALLY regret it not working out (but that's another story).
However, I must say that there are things that we as fans are not privy to that NFL types know about DM other than the obvious to keep every team avoiding him like the plague. I wish him luck but I do not believe there is some type of conspiracy associated with McNabb. I think NFL coaches just think the dude is done.....

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[quote=Mattyk;870409]McNabb is washed up.


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Shannahan is washed up. Has been for over a decade.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;870433]Shannahan is washed up. Has been for over a decade.[/quote]

It's hard for a coach to be washed up IMO, however mike def is not, we will continue to get better with him as HC

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......insert Patrick Ramsey

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Just a random draft thought. I know it'll be offensive heavy but i believe it might be the steal of the draft if Jayron Hosley CB VA Tech goes in the 2nd round. Big time playmaker w/ great coverage skills. He's mocked to go in the second. We need a QB and offense, but we also need a CB.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;870433]Shannahan is washed up. Has been for over a decade.[/quote]

Hardly, its just his ego is too big. He won super bowls with a great qb. Since then he thinks he can turn any qb into a great one but he hasn't. Since that time the qb has become more important.

Shanny needs at least an above average qb. The scheme Shanny started still works just look at Houston's offense the past few years. its pretty close in style. Schaub is a solid starting qb and has put up great numbers in the scheme.

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[quote=Mattyk;870409]McNabb is washed up.


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Totally! He was finished when he arrived in DC.

2012 NFL Free Agent alternatives:

Top Quarterbacks

Drew Brees (NO) - You must be playing Madden if you think you can lure him to help revive your struggling Redskins or Dolphins franchise-this Saint is off limits and fully locked into Who Dat nation for the rest of his career.

Matt Flynn (GB) - As far as realistic, long-term options go, Matt Flynn may be the most pursued man. In his lone regular season appearance, he moved the Packers offense up and down the field in a national game, and almost knocked off a Patriots team in their house. He lacks the ideal tools, but plenty of quarterbacks have done more with less. Flynn has been taught by and learned from the best in Green Bay and will be ready to see if his career holds more than a clipboard.

Alex Smith (SF) - Through the early portion of the season, the Niners have slowly opened up more of their offense for Alex Smith who has done nothing but make smart decisions. He's more efficient than productive, but another season or two under Harbaugh could really help him turn his career around completely. His return to San Francisco will rely upon his sustained success, improvement, and their confidence in second-rounder Colin Kaepernick.

Kyle Orton (DEN) - Orton is inconsistent and about as middle-of-the-road as they come at quarterback. He can spin the ball well, but doesn't make the quickest decisions-and sometimes not the best. He's not a quarterback that will truly impress anyone as a starter, but is comfortably one of the 32 best this league has to offer. The Broncos probably won't want him back for another round of mediocrity, but he's the type of player that will play himself into the starting lineup with a younger prospect consistently vying for his position.

Jason Campbell (OAK) - Campbell has been fairly efficient as the quarterback for the Raiders. With the Raiders finally appearing to turn the corner, they may look to retain Campbell's services on a short term deal as they continue to improve the rest of the roster and build a hard-nosed, winning environment. Unlike some of the other quarterbacks in this class, Campbell's greatest hindrance is not his skillset, but rather his confidence and vision in determining when to push the ball down the field.



Donovan McNabb (MIN) - McNabb's best years are behind him; and he's probably destined to play out the rest of his career as a back-up or a starter amongst the league's bottomfeeders. One will prolong his stay in the NFL, while the other will cut it short. One thing appears clear though. The Vikings have not had the success they anticipated coming into the year and are likely to turn to Ponder by the start of next year at the very latest. More realistically, McNabb will be riding the bench after the team's bye week.

The Rest:

Chris Redman (ATL)
Derek Anderson (CAR)
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)
Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted
Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted
Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted
Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted

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Matt Flynn is the suckers' pick. Chad Henne is just a much better player at the same age.

Garrard and Leftwich still have it, if we need a backup of quality. Obviously Leftwich doesn't have health.

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Brian Hoyer and Chase Daniel would be interesting, young pickups.

Brady Quinn will get a shot again soon and Josh Johnson is an interesting player

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[quote=GTripp0012;870604]Brian Hoyer and Chase Daniel would be interesting, young pickups.[/quote]

I'd take Chase Daniel we know what he can do and is well coached.

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henne is okay, but i don't see him ever being great. this list is really just drew brees. maybe flynn is amazing, i don't know, but there's not much nfl tape on him, and it's not him playing against a defense that knew his tendencies and planned for them, so it's a bit of a crapshoot there.