Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

I could probably knock out Mike Tyson if I had a complete day to look at the film of him beating my ass first. All I need is a time machine.

Sadly, not even NFL players have that luxury so they have to rely on practice and instincts. You may be able to dissect the film now, play armchair QB and tell everyone what he should have done. The fact is that you could not have done it yourself if placed in that situation. There are not many people that can.

While I may be a Colt Brennan advocate, in no way do I know for certain that he could have done better in that situation. We have not seen him play in an actual NFL football game. I liked him out of college and he impressed against players that he should have in preseason. I think that his accuracy and instincts are better than JC's. However, until Colt actually starts a game we will not know for sure. Quite honestly, JC hasn't done enough to lose his job just as Colt hasn't done enough to earn it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;566359]It's all in the video!!! :soapbox:



LOL. :laughing2[/quote]

Wow. I am just getting to this video. Those 3rd down stats are astonishingly bad. I've seen some of the posts rationalizing this analysis, but the video clearly points out flaws in JC's game. Receivers don't need to be all-world to be "open" (a relative term in the NFL), particularly against zone defenses. He clearly has time to throw and the receivers are clearly in a position to make a play. Down 16 points in the 4th quarter and still dinking and dunking is inexcusable. Maybe Gibbs ruined him by making him petrified of turnovers.

I think JC's got all the ability to be a good NFL QB. He just needs to take more chances and stop worrying about making mistakes. Hell, the plays he missed aren't even risky. They're very run of the mill.

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[quote=Nflnick11;566383]answer me this along with my other previous questions before I answer your foolish and biased questions; [/quote]Okay[quote=Nflnick11;566383]where would you all rank JC among the other 31 starting QBs in the NFL 1 being the best?[/quote]11-15 range.

[quote=Nflnick11;566383]Redskingirl has no meaning to this conversation cause she asked me to name every QB that's better than JC in the playoffs, and I said all of them are, plus she's getting her stats from NFL.com so I coils careless about what a girl has to say about my redskins[/quote]Well, the point is you gave a [B]terrible[/B] and biased answer, because you don't even know who was in the playoffs last year. Kerry Collins, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme and Tavaris Jackson all quarterbacked teams in the playoffs. Only ONE of those players was better in the regular season than Campbell. One. That means Campbell would have been the ninth best playoff Quarterback based only on 2008 results.

Telling you which one of them it was kinda defeats the purpose, as they all got there on the coattails of their teams. I'd rather just have you mindlessly speculate with limited information. It's been pretty enjoyable to this point.

[quote=Nflnick11;566383]Someone said that them and that skins girl are more knowledgeable than I am in football, and they are still wrong I spend hours watching the skins over and over again checking what they did wrong etc etc and can tell you lots about offense defenses who to play and lots of football facts especially about college and the NFL[/quote]See, you've already come on here and conclusively proven that you can't put coherent thoughts together, so it really doesn't matter how much film you watch, does it?

You're also lying.

As for the administrative stuff, sounds like you have a ban coming.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566453]Ths first clip wasnt a cover 2 boys and girls. the corner keeps dropping back. LOOK AT THE VID. he points while he continues to drop back in deep coverage to the wr that cuts underneath on the cross. meanwhile the defender picks him up as the slot runs the post. he is OPEN with the safety over the top.[/quote]The vid is a complete joke. Get over it already.

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[quote=44Deezel;566471]Wow. I am just getting to this video. Those 3rd down stats are astonishingly bad. I've seen some of the posts rationalizing this analysis, but the video clearly points out flaws in JC's game. Receivers don't need to be all-world to be "open" (a relative term in the NFL), particularly against zone defenses. He clearly has time to throw and the receivers are clearly in a position to make a play. Down 16 points in the 4th quarter and still dinking and dunking is inexcusable. Maybe Gibbs ruined him by making him petrified of turnovers.[/quote]Surely, you are smart enough to see the bias in the video.

The stats are unbiased, they show the ineffectiveness of our passing game on third down. Unfortunately for you, Campbell does in fact have to rely on his teammates, and realistically shares only a small part of the blame.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566444]Clip 3 vs the gmen. when he shows where the first down line is look at the number 3 wr in the slot to the bottom of the screen. Thats as open as you are going to get. if the ball is out its a completion. the safety is over the top of the wr. underneath the defender again goes to the wr coming on a short cross from the top of the screen.[/quote]I'm sure the safety who was standing right over him at the first down marker would not have moved once the ball is thrown.

This is essentially what you are saying, correct?

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[quote=GTripp0012;566477]Surely, you are smart enough to see the bias in the video.

The stats are unbiased, they show the ineffectiveness of our passing game on third down. Unfortunately for you, Campbell does in fact have to rely on his teammates, and realistically shares only a small part of the blame.[/quote]

I'm really not. I dumb;) I'm not convinced of anything, so I'll take the wimpy way out and say I have no strong opinion about what's going to happen with Campbell next year. I hope he has a great season, but wouldn't be surprised if his play is mediocre, and he becomes a back-up somewhere for the rest of his career. There are a lot of good QBs riding the pine in the NFL. It's hard to be a bonafied, career-long starter, and it only gets harder with age. Just ask the likes of Brad Johnson and Jeff Garcia.

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[quote=Paintrain;566451]On this play you (and Wilcotts) are asking Campbell to make a 30 yard throw, from the opposite hash, to the sideline, with a safety in cover two with no mid field threat. [/quote]...To a player not even in the progression.

For the record, Jay Cutler would have gotten intercepted or near intercepted on this play...and he himself would never have even looked at Thrash.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566440]One on one coverage. sorry man but this is the NFL, you arent going to have WIDE open wr's very often.[/quote]Is the fact that you have no idea what you are seeing on film supposed to be an argument for or against Campbell?

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[quote=GTripp0012;566478]I'm sure the safety who was standing right over him at the first down marker would not have moved once the ball is thrown.

This is essentially what you are saying, correct?[/quote]


clip 3.the ball was on the 48 yard line the slot wr ran straight down the field the safety back pedaled to his 27 as the wr was around the 37 =10 yard cushion.look for your self its 1:17 into the video. at the beginning of the play the slot wr is lined up on the 50 yd line as the safety is on the 34 yd line. the OLB drops back and then follows Cooley to the inside leaving the slot locked up with the safety. AGAIN this is the NFL you wont have wide open WR's on each play,you have to hit the windows as they open.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566485]clip 3.the ball was on the 48 yard line the slot wr ran straight down the field the safety back pedaled to his 27 as the wr was around the 37 =10 yard cushion.look for your self its 1:17 into the video. at the beginning of the play the slot wr is lined up on the 50 yd line as the safety is on the 34 yd line. the OLB drops back and then follows Cooley to the inside leaving the slot locked up with the safety. AGAIN this is the NFL you wont have wide open WR's on each play,you have to hit the windows as they open.[/quote]A ten yard cushion is meaningless when he's 20 yards down the field.

If he's even five yards [B]behind[/B] the safety, then he's "wide" open by NFL standards. Having a safety standing right over him at the first down marker does not give any possible way to complete a pass, unless it's an option route which this very clearly was not.

Also, this wasn't even a read play. At all. Campbell's job on the play was just to throw Moss the ball. Using this clip against as an argument against a QB is a fundamental misuderstanding of NFL offense, and is a waste of my time.

You should know this already, because it's common sense, but the fact that you do not shows me why you thought Wilcots made a good argument in the first place.

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[quote=Nflnick11;566143]Ok your first point is the only decent one, the others just killed your chances of me and you arguing/debating, cause I just realized I'm talkin' to an idiot, but since I love debating...who gives a flying F if you went to the green turtle and no one talked to colt, you know how many current or former NFL players you see a year and don't realize who they are?????and if you think I'm the biggest hater on JC you haven't not been to enough sports bars in the area, and yes I was on the Campbell bandwagon for a while, but I thought he would change/get better but that hasn't happened

And if you think our oline is bad how come big ben can play a whole season with their oline which allowed the most sAcks in the league and he wins a super bowl (ya I know they had the best defense, but ours wasn't to far off and we had a much better RB then theirs)[/quote]

Settle down first of all. Second, I would hesitate on calling people idiots with grammar like that.

My only point was that I think it is a little rash to be asking for Campbell to get hurt in order see our third string QB come in. Especially when the chances of him doing well are very slim.

As for Pittsburgh, yeah, Ben is a better QB than Campbell. What else do you want me to say about that situation? Im not really sure of the point you're trying to make - they mesh better as a whole than Washington does.

Finally, you're a dick.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;566487]A ten yard cushion is meaningless when he's 20 yards down the field.


If he's even five yards behind the safety, then he's "wide" open by NFL standards. Having a safety standing right over him at the first down marker does not give any possible way to complete a pass.

It means you throw the ball to the wr and let him have a chance at makin a play. :doh:
the first down was 17 yds away. big cushion

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566491]It means you throw the ball to the wr and let him have a chance at makin a play. :doh:

the first down was 17 yds away. big cushion[/quote]No. This is mind bogglingly stupid.

When a play is called by the coach, you call the play in the huddle, and then you go execute it, even if it's not guaranteed to work.

This is elementary stuff, dude.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566434][B]So our 6th ranked scoring defense isnt good enough?[/B] funny how teams 1-5 in scoring defense ALL MADE THE PLAYOFFS! Last i checked it was the defenses primary job to stop the other team from scoring.. not to have to score 2 tds a game on int and fumble returns. If we are at that point where they have to do that each week for us to win.WE DONT DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS IMO
And enough of ppl blaming the O-line for JC's woes,other than the Steeler game,which they did play terrible in that game they did a good job keeping JC upright.
There wasn't a very big difference in the o-line's play outside the Pittsburgh game, which skews the statistics and apparently minds
In the last 8 games JC was sacked 22 times if i remember right, and thats counting the 7 sack Steeler game. so thats 15 in the last 7 games. the first 8 games he was sacked 16 times. Not a big difference.[/quote]

Apparently not. The Steelers had the 20th ranked scoring offense. That's right.... 20th. Not very good huh? The difference is their defense allowed almost 5 points a game less than the Redskins. We lost 3 games by less than 5 points. Those 3 losses turned into wins would have put us at 11-5 and in the playoffs. Our 4 highest draft picks were used on defense. Why? Can you answer that? Apparently the thought is this "6th ranked" defense isn't good enough. Your posts are sounding more like :blah: all the time. Try seeing the big picture if you can.

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[quote=GTripp0012;566493]No. This is mind bogglingly stupid.

When a play is called by the coach, you call the play in the huddle, and then you go execute it, even if it's not guaranteed to work.

This is elementary stuff, dude.[/quote]

You ever hear of the term 'AUDIBLE' ? Its done all the time by the good QB's. you go to the line,if you see something you dont like you change the play.OR you call a Timeout and re-evaluate the situation. And dont say he cant do these things, if a 3rd stringer can change plays at the line--Colt vs Jets in preseason-- im sure that power is not his alone and is also given to the starter.

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[quote=53Fan;566494]Apparently not. The Steelers had the 20th ranked scoring offense. That's right.... 20th. Not very good huh? The difference is their defense allowed almost 5 points a game less than the Redskins. We lost 3 games by less than 5 points. Those 3 losses turned into wins would have put us at 11-5 and in the playoffs. Our 4 highest draft picks were used on defense. Why? Can you answer that? Apparently the thought is this "6th ranked" defense isn't good enough. Your posts are sounding more like :blah: all the time. Try seeing the big picture if you can.[/quote]

Maybe because they used most of our picks the yr before on OFFENSE.
Thomas
Kelly
Davis
Brennan
Rhinehart - i believe he was a 3rd rounder.
And lets not forget the kicker who didnt make the team from GT.

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And im sure their are 31 other teams who wished they had the Steeler's Defense.

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[quote=53Fan;566494]Apparently not. The Steelers had the 20th ranked scoring offense. That's right.... 20th. Not very good huh? The difference is their defense allowed almost 5 points a game less than the Redskins. We lost 3 games by less than 5 points. Those 3 losses turned into wins would have put us at 11-5 and in the playoffs. Our 4 highest draft picks were used on defense. Why? Can you answer that? Apparently the thought is this "6th ranked" defense isn't good enough. Your posts are sounding more like :blah: all the time. Try seeing the big picture if you can.[/quote]


1. lost to the RAMS 19-17
2. Lost to the Cowboys 14-10
3. Lost to the 9ers 27-24

Ill give you the 9er game because they scored in the high 20's but the other 2 hmm.. to say the defense lost those games with the other team scoring under 20 pts is just crazy.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

Please someone lock this thread, seriously.

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[quote=Lotus;566420]Oh, look, NFLNick the Cowboys troll is back!

Since you singled me out, I will respond: you keep calling me a JC fan but I never said that. I simply said that your arguments were flawed and uneducated. Please stop putting words in my mouth and please start being at least a little self-aware and self-critical.

redskinsgirl ran circles around you because she produced evidence for her points and you did not. Gender has nothing to do with it; the ability to argue with evidence does. Based solely on your arguments, redskinsgirl is a much more knowledgeable fan than you are. Please learn a lesson here.

You argued more than once that a Redskins player should get hurt. No true Redskins fan would ever make such an argument but a Cowboys fan would. Please go back to the Cowboys site and stop trolling here.[/quote]

I pretty sure I put your name down but anyways I asked her what a subpar QB is in Her book and she never gavely me a clear answer and I'm pretty sure I answered her question back on page 8 or 9 of the thread talkin' about all the QBs of the playoffs...I'm still waiting for YOU and redskin girl and everyone else whose question my thoughts on JC to rank him with other QBs in league, but like one of you said to me I beat around the facts and give opinions, but you all do the same here ...you still cannot call me a cowboys fan, that's one of the biggest disrespectful things you can say to me considering I'm most likely a bigger fan than you, having gone to all 8 games last year, then rewatching them twice I own four current skins jerseys, go to pretty much all the skins charity events and autograph signings, have met about 20 or so of the players on the team, and always am talkin' smack with cowboy eagle and steeler fans that I'm neighbors with or work with and yes I would stick up for Jason just like you all are doing for him right now, so for you to say that I'm a cowboys fan, your dead wrong, I know way more about the skins than you do...now answer my question where would you rank JC among QBs in the NFL??

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The Redskins entered the game as the only team in NFL history to open a season with no offensive turnovers through its first five games, but that bit of good fortune ended with three lost fumbles in four possessions.

The Rams were able to convert only one into a score, but it was the type of weird play that can give a struggling team the lift it needs.

With the Redskins in scoring position near the end of the first half, a pass tipped at the line of scrimmage ended up in the hands of offensive lineman Pete Kendall. Tinoisamoa knocked the ball away from Kendall, and Oshiomogho Atogwe picked it up and ran 75 yards for the touchdown that gave the Rams a 10-7 lead -- and momentum that carried into the second half.

3 fumbles and the D holds them to zero TD's. their only score was a fumble return for a td. I Blame the Defense.its all their fault.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566495]You ever hear of the term 'AUDIBLE' ? Its done all the time by the good QB's. you go to the line,if you see something you dont like you change the play.OR you call a Timeout and re-evaluate the situation. And dont say he cant do these things, if a 3rd stringer can change plays at the line--Colt vs Jets in preseason-- im sure that power is not his alone and is also given to the starter.[/quote]Wait, you want to talk about the science of audibles now? You want to talk about when a QB is supposed to audible and when he's not?

DB, if you were in over your head before with the elementary stuff, understanding how NFL audibles work isn't happening for you anytime soon. You can't even look at the tape and see the progression yet, dude.

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[quote=Ruhskins;566502]Please someone lock this thread, seriously.[/quote]

Gladly...there are like three other threads going where we can debate the QB situation

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=SmootSmack;566506]Gladly...there are like three other threads going where we can debate the QB situation[/quote]

Thank you!!