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[quote=EdmundDorf;1237399]Having a new head coach/offensive staff is also a major factor in the cardinals improvement[/quote]

A coach that actually schemes up a legit offense... Not one that says "run the ball 70%"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237398]Murray is also in a very QB friendly system with quick reads and RPO action due to his speed, he would be screwed in our system since we do not use RPO's.

I'd rather have Haskins over Tua, seriously the dude is made of glass, yeah he's accurate but if you are injury prone that doesn't matter.

If a team wants Haskins for a 1st then sure lets do it but that won't happen. Keep him and see what he can do[/quote]

The injury concerns for Tua are fair and it most likely will have an effect on his draft status.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237406]The injury concerns for Tua are fair and it most likely will have an effect on his draft status.[/quote]

You think? I kinda feel like a dislocated hip is so rare and more of a one off vs guice with bad knees/cartilage or chris samuels with the stenosis or reed w concussions etc.

I dont think Tua will ever dislocate a hip ever again but im just guessing and im no dr.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237409]You think? I kinda feel like a dislocated hip is so rare and more of a one off vs guice with bad knees/cartilage or chris samuels with the stenosis or reed w concussions etc.

I dont think Tua will ever dislocate a hip ever again but im just guessing and im no dr.[/quote]

You are definitely not. This is the injury that ended Bo Jackson's career - Bo's hip was dislocated and the fracture was not as evident as he walked off the field, but he had one. Tua couldn't even stand.

Orthopaedic medicine and surgery has changed a lot since, but it's not a done deal that Tua will ever be the same physically. The hip socket and pelvic floor are areas of the body that don't get a lot of blood flow, so the ability to heal very much depends on the body's ability to get blood into the area. Bo experienced tissue necrosis in that part of his body - meaning spots of cells in the affected area actually died - because blood flow to the area was poor.

Some people are built differently. Tua may be lucky enough to have venous structures that get more blood to the area than Bo did. And Orthopaedic science has progressed, so they may be able to do some things to encourage that blood flow and healing process.

But his draft stock should very, very much be viewed as completely up in the air. He could recover fully and go on to play with no pain or lingering side effects. Or he could need to retire like Bo Jackson.

If I had the 2nd pick and Tua was on the board, there's [B]NO WAY[/B] I'm taking him. Even if we didn't have Haskins. It's Joe Burrow or BPA at that spot. Tua's out of consideration.

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His surgeons are saying his prognosis is excellent and that he'll make a full recovery. I think it's a believe it when I see it thing.

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Like Bo Jackson?

Instant fear surrounded the connection between Tagovailoa's injury and the one that ended Bo Jackson's pro football career.

Yes, Jackson dislocated his hip being tackled in a 1991 game for the Oakland Raiders. And he had the same fracture as Jackson.

So, what made Jackson's injury so life-changing? The multi-sport star suffered from Avascular necrosis or AVN in the aftermath of his dislocation and fracture.

"What can happen with the dislocation is that blood vessels will either tear or they'll be placed on stretch for so long that the bone itself will lose its blood supply and that will cause death of the bone," Banffy said. "If you get it reduced right away, the idea is that will minimize the risk. But this is still something that you have to watch and it might not even present itself for a couple of months, similar to the way it did with Bo Jackson."

The statement released by Alabama's team orthopedist Saturday night stated the hip was reduced at the stadium before being transported to St. Vincent's in Birmingham. Reducing a hip means putting it back in socket.
[url]https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/11/surgeon-explains-tuas-hip-injury-bo-jackson-connection-and-long-term-outlook.html[/url]

Yesh ... worse than I thought in terms of chances of never recovering.

but I was right .. there is little chance this means he will be a repeat hip dislocator. Just a rare freak injury for football that doesnt happen very often. Perhaps once every 28 years.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237414]Like Bo Jackson?

Instant fear surrounded the connection between Tagovailoa's injury and the one that ended Bo Jackson's pro football career.

Yes, Jackson dislocated his hip being tackled in a 1991 game for the Oakland Raiders. And he had the same fracture as Jackson.

So, what made Jackson's injury so life-changing? The multi-sport star suffered from Avascular necrosis or AVN in the aftermath of his dislocation and fracture.

"What can happen with the dislocation is that blood vessels will either tear or they'll be placed on stretch for so long that the bone itself will lose its blood supply and that will cause death of the bone," Banffy said. "If you get it reduced right away, the idea is that will minimize the risk. But this is still something that you have to watch and it might not even present itself for a couple of months, similar to the way it did with Bo Jackson."

The statement released by Alabama's team orthopedist Saturday night stated the hip was reduced at the stadium before being transported to St. Vincent's in Birmingham. Reducing a hip means putting it back in socket.
[url]https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/11/surgeon-explains-tuas-hip-injury-bo-jackson-connection-and-long-term-outlook.html[/url]

Yesh ... worse than I thought in terms of chances of never recovering.

but I was right .. there is little chance this means he will be a repeat hip dislocator. Just a rare freak injury for football that doesnt happen very often. Perhaps once every 28 years.[/quote]

Eh, with the small caveat that he might never be the same again, but I'm sure that's nothing to worry about when deciding what to do with your #2 overall pick.

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I'm thinking Tua probably opts to go back to Alabama rather than declaring for the draft. If he recovers and reestablishes himself for the 2021 draft, he stands to do much better in the draft, IMO. I just don't think he would be a top pick and get a huge contract as of now if he declares for the 2020 draft.

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[quote=Number44;1237417]I'm thinking Tua probably opts to go back to Alabama rather than declaring for the draft.[/quote]

That's my hunch too. I'm a SEC guy, so that would be fine with me. I doubt NFL teams will know enough by draft time to risk a high draft pick on him. If he goes back to 'Bama for a year and rises back to the top, he'll be an easy first-rounder. Waiting the year will probably be worth it financially for Tua.

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Trade Kerrigan for a 4th and sign one of these 3 guys below:

8. Yannick Ngakoue, EDGE, Jaguars (25)

His 34.5 sacks since the start of the 2016 season rank 12th, and Ngakoue’s 79 quarterback hits during that span rank eighth. Ngakoue will be just 25 at the start of next season, has been productive, plays a premium position and has missed just one game in four seasons. Frank Clark, who received $20.8 million per year from the Chiefs last offseason, could be a good comp.

9. Shaquil Barrett, EDGE, Buccaneers (27)

He was a free agent last offseason and settled on a one-year, $4 million deal with Tampa. That gamble is going to pay off as Barrett has had a monster 2019 season. He’s second with 11.5 sacks and fourth with 28.5 combined sacks and quarterback hits. Barrett will be an intriguing option for a team in need of edge rush help.

10. Matt Judon, EDGE, Ravens (28)

He was a productive pass rusher in 2017 and 2018 (totaling 15 sacks in the two seasons) and has seen a bump in playing time this season. Judon’s 29 combined sacks/QB hits are third behind only T.J. Watt and Joey Bosa. His profile is somewhat similar to Za’Darius Smith, who left the Ravens in free agency last year to sign with the Packers for $16.5 million per season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237440]Trade Kerrigan for a 4th and sign one of these 3 guys below:

8. Yannick Ngakoue, EDGE, Jaguars (25)

His 34.5 sacks since the start of the 2016 season rank 12th, and Ngakoue’s 79 quarterback hits during that span rank eighth. Ngakoue will be just 25 at the start of next season, has been productive, plays a premium position and has missed just one game in four seasons. Frank Clark, who received $20.8 million per year from the Chiefs last offseason, could be a good comp.

9. Shaquil Barrett, EDGE, Buccaneers (27)

He was a free agent last offseason and settled on a one-year, $4 million deal with Tampa. That gamble is going to pay off as Barrett has had a monster 2019 season. He’s second with 11.5 sacks and fourth with 28.5 combined sacks and quarterback hits. Barrett will be an intriguing option for a team in need of edge rush help.

10. Matt Judon, EDGE, Ravens (28)

He was a productive pass rusher in 2017 and 2018 (totaling 15 sacks in the two seasons) and has seen a bump in playing time this season. Judon’s 29 combined sacks/QB hits are third behind only T.J. Watt and Joey Bosa. His profile is somewhat similar to Za’Darius Smith, who left the Ravens in free agency last year to sign with the Packers for $16.5 million per season.[/quote]

I like Judon and Ngakoue, I'm not sure about Barrett since he wasn't a factor for Broncos before signing with Bucs.. I don't think we will need those type of players since we already have Allen and Ioannidis, and Kerrigan is OLB?

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[QUOTE=OldRiggoFan;1237419]That's my hunch too. I'm a SEC guy, so that would be fine with me. I doubt NFL teams will know enough by draft time to risk a high draft pick on him. If he goes back to 'Bama for a year and rises back to the top, he'll be an easy first-rounder. Waiting the year will probably be worth it financially for Tua.[/QUOTE]


Waiting a year also puts him at risk for another injury. He should have a solid enough medical prognosis by the time the draft rolls around. If he’s going to be good to go in a year or two I don’t think it will drastically hurt his draft stock. He will likely still go first round, teams love that 5th year option especially with a QB.



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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237440]Trade Kerrigan for a 4th and sign one of these 3 guys below:

8. Yannick Ngakoue, EDGE, Jaguars (25)

His 34.5 sacks since the start of the 2016 season rank 12th, and Ngakoue’s 79 quarterback hits during that span rank eighth. Ngakoue will be just 25 at the start of next season, has been productive, plays a premium position and has missed just one game in four seasons. Frank Clark, who received $20.8 million per year from the Chiefs last offseason, could be a good comp.

9. Shaquil Barrett, EDGE, Buccaneers (27)

He was a free agent last offseason and settled on a one-year, $4 million deal with Tampa. That gamble is going to pay off as Barrett has had a monster 2019 season. He’s second with 11.5 sacks and fourth with 28.5 combined sacks and quarterback hits. Barrett will be an intriguing option for a team in need of edge rush help.

10. Matt Judon, EDGE, Ravens (28)

He was a productive pass rusher in 2017 and 2018 (totaling 15 sacks in the two seasons) and has seen a bump in playing time this season. Judon’s 29 combined sacks/QB hits are third behind only T.J. Watt and Joey Bosa. His profile is somewhat similar to Za’Darius Smith, who left the Ravens in free agency last year to sign with the Packers for $16.5 million per season.[/quote]

None of this...cut/trade Kerrigan. Move sweat to right side, draft chase young

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draft chase young

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Jon Allen hasn't lived up to his draft selection either IMO, he's been solid but he's not a legit difference maker. In fact I think Payne is the better player.