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[quote=AnonEmouse;1249118]If you offered me Ray Lewis or Deion Sanders, I'd take Sanders
If you offered me Brian Urlacher or Darrell Green, I'd take Green

Not saying that would be everyone's choice, but that would be mine.

In any case in this instance, I'd honestly say I think CY has a better chance of HoF status than TT right now. I can just see him being another Andrew Luck and retired in 5-7 years.[/quote]

Give me Ray all day. I can ignore Dieons side of the field and game plan around him ... or run to his side lol.

Ray was sideline to sideline. You couldnt play around him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249099]I've always been pro drafting Young. Amen brother. My Tua argument was and always will be if you have a chance to draft a true franchise QB then you do it, regardless of whether you have someone like Young on the table. If Tua did not have all the injuries then I'd say take him and trade DH. End of discussion. But that is not the case.[/quote]
Tua is an excellent passer. But I'll make the same argument against him people made against Haskins. It's not hard to be accurate when you're throwing the ball to three potential first round wrs. Most qbs lucky to have one top tier wr. Tua had three of them. In the defense of Tua. I don't like the idea of discrediting a guy based on the talent around him. The reason I would pass on Tua isn't just the fact that needed to have three surgeries in three years. It's the fact that he's slow to get up after every big hit. This man is a career ending injury waiting to happen. Tua having a short career is more likely than him going to the hall of fame. Is Tua more polished than Dwayne Haskins? He definitely is without a doubt. But Haskins can developed into a very good qb. He just needs time. Tua on the other hand might not last to see his second contract.

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Still no

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Just read Urban Myers take on Haskins .. simply if the redskins want Haskins to be all he can be they need to get play makers around him...okay so when is that going to happen ? Whiffed in free agency .. gonna pick Chase and then what ? So we have a good D and a Offense that flat sucks ..this team needs a real TE.. a Stud Wr and O line help ! But we gonna have a pass rusher ..I’m all in at giving Haskins a chance but he is going to need help ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1249204]Just read Urban Myers take on Haskins .. simply if the redskins want Haskins to be all he can be they need to get play makers around him...okay so when is that going to happen ? Whiffed in free agency .. gonna pick Chase and then what ? So we have a good D and a Offense that flat sucks ..this team needs a real TE.. a Stud Wr and O line help ! But we gonna have a pass rusher ..I’m all in at giving Haskins a chance but he is going to need help ..[/quote]

Found that interesting as well, and I agree. Terry is not enough, we need another WR and a TE or 2. RB's are solid but I just don't see how he can shine with the lack of weapons around him..

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29024249/several-teams-doing-serious-research-qb-jordan-love[/url]

The team is looking at all first rd QBs but in all fairness Ron said he would

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This is why I do not get the hype over Rivera. He has done next to nothing to improve the offense other than a quixotic pursuit of Cooper. Rather than sign a decent wide receiver or Tight end in free agency to help out his QB, he trades for another young QB to create "competition". This is like playing mind games with your young starting QB.

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[QUOTE=Ohioskins;1249211]This is why I do not get the hype over Rivera. He has done next to nothing to improve the offense other than a quixotic pursuit of Cooper. Rather than sign a decent wide receiver or Tight end in free agency to help out his QB, he trades for another young QB to create "competition". This is like playing mind games with your young starting QB.[/QUOTE]Also reaching out to Haskins former college coach to check on his character is a odd move too. I agree with the off season, they did nothing to help Haskins

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[quote=rocnrik;1249204]Just read Urban Myers take on Haskins .. simply if the redskins want Haskins to be all he can be they need to get play makers around him...okay so when is that going to happen ? Whiffed in free agency .. gonna pick Chase and then what ? So we have a good D and a Offense that flat sucks ..this team needs a real TE.. a Stud Wr and O line help ! [B]But we gonna have a pass rusher [/B]..I’m all in at giving Haskins a chance but he is going to need help ..[/quote]

No competent GM would pass up a generational talent who plays DE regardless of the other needs of the team. So let's just forget about the possibility of the Skins not drafting CY.

After that the Skins can draft all offense, as far as I'm concerned.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245444]Yeah but franchise Qb's don't grow on trees, if Tua is available and he can be a top 10 QB for the next 10-12 years you have to take him.. Of course we don't know that, it's all based on projections.[/quote]

Tua will be lucky to last 5 years in the NFL. He's the smallest guy on the field and injury prone. That doesn't bode well for a long pro career.

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Particularly with our offensive line, or or perhaps better said, our lack of an offensive line. Indeed, with our current offensive line, I do not expect Haskins to make it thru the season, much less someone as injury prone as Tua. For goodness sake, sign Jason Peters for 2 years and at least we will have a competent veteran left tackle who can man the spot while a younger guy is drafted and developed.

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Wonderlic.scores for QB’s. Tua is not the sharpest.
Jake Fromm: 35
Joe Burrow: 34
Jordan Love: 27
Justin Herbert: 25
Anthony Gordon: 25
Jacob Eason: 23
James Morgan: 23
Jalen Hurts: 18
Tua Tagovailoa: 13

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/tua-tagovailoa-other-top-qbs-204156385.html[/url]

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[quote=Defensewins;1249703]Wonderlic.scores for QB’s. Tua is not the sharpest.
Jake Fromm: 35
Joe Burrow: 34
Jordan Love: 27
Justin Herbert: 25
Anthony Gordon: 25
Jacob Eason: 23
James Morgan: 23
Jalen Hurts: 18
Tua Tagovailoa: 13

[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/tua-tagovailoa-other-top-qbs-204156385.html[/url][/quote]

These have already been debunked as fake, or at least very inaccurate

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Nobody cares about that lol

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We draft Tua this year JMO the same people will be saying do you think we should draft Lawrence.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1249736]We draft Tua this year JMO the same people will be saying do you think we should draft Lawrence.[/quote]

Only if he blows a knee or hip

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Tua was a good attempt by Rivera to smokescreen our real draft intent (Chase Young) and generate a possible monster trade with our #2 pick with a team that ACTUALLY WANTED TUA. We NEVER wanted him.

Our interest in Tua was a lie, smoke, misdirection, fake, urban legend, rumor, propaganda. To some extent it self-generated a lot of press interest, sports stories by writers who were desperate to fill their columns after the SB, and fan desire looking for the franchise QB this team has lacked for over 30 years. Tua was the next shiny thing the Redskin’s fans have become addicted to in the Snyder era (“winning the spring”).

But Tua is an illusion, because he will land in Miami. A lot of people have been fooled by the alleged interest in Tua. But NOT the people who matter, meaning Miami’s leadership.

We will draft Chase Young and we will move on with Haskins and see if HE’s our real franchise QB.


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[quote=Warthog;1249755]Tua was a good attempt by Rivera to smokescreen our real draft intent (Chase Young) and generate a possible monster trade with our #2 pick with a team that ACTUALLY WANTED TUA. We NEVER wanted him.

Our interest in Tua was a lie, smoke, misdirection, fake, urban legend, rumor, propaganda. To some extent it self-generated a lot of press interest, sports stories by writers who were desperate to fill their columns after the SB, and fan desire looking for the franchise QB this team has lacked for over 30 years. Tua was the next shiny thing the Redskin’s fans have become addicted to in the Snyder era (“winning the spring”).

But Tua is an illusion, because he will land in Miami. A lot of people have been fooled by the alleged interest in Tua. But NOT the people who matter, meaning Miami’s leadership.

We will draft Chase Young and we will move on with Haskins and see if HE’s our real franchise QB.


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I don't think it was a smokecreen, Ron also met with Utah State QB Jordan Love over the weekend per NFLN and Peter King, as did several teams.. You have to evaluate everyone

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There's a difference between due diligence and actively looking at recruiting, even if the latter is for show. If he didn't interview the top prospects it would arouse more suspicion than going through the motions. I agree with Warthog, unless Miami come to us with a blockbuster deal we can't say no to, they will either deal with the Lions or trust Tua will drop to them. They will get better value with the Lions than us and still almost surely end up with their man.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1249759]I don't think it was a smokecreen, Ron also met with Utah State QB Jordan Love over the weekend per NFLN and Peter King, as did several teams.. You have to evaluate everyone[/QUOTE]


Sure, Rivera has to look at every major draft prospect, like Tua, because we are drafting after Cincy and they may NOT draft Burrow ( extremely unlikely but it still could happen). Or something could happen to Haskins, such as a freak injury or bad drug test or something like that.

What I was talking about regarding Tua was the leaked media reports that we might actually draft him -with Haskins being traded after the draft or TC. THAT idea was just largely fiction in order to see what trade offers or feelers were generated by teams (mostly Miami) that really want to draft Tua. If Miami offered their #5, #18 draft picks and something in the second round, then Rivera would have to really consider that offer. Those high draft picks gets you excellent or very good starters in three separate holes on the team. Say we fill CB, OT and WR or TE. THAT might be worth Chase Young.

But the media leak about Tua was just a fake and Miami knows it. I bet the ‘phins can sit pretty at their #5 pick and Tua comes right to them. No trade needed. We take Chase and he’ll be a star here. I also think Haskins will be our franchise QB of the future. When Chase helps our defense become one of the best squads in the NFL, we’ll all forget about how Rivera tried to trade our #2 spot for a bunch of good starters.....


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I agree with the NFL.com article that the likely trade is between Miami and Detroit. Miami likely believe they can wait on us picking CY and then can sound the Lions out on 2 x 1st rounders or even push for 1 x 1st, 1 x 2nd to get pick #3. If that doesn't happen, as Warthog says, they can likely hang until #5 and get Tua anyway. I just don't see them throwing all their draft capital at us when there's a high chance they can get their guy with better value or by not even trading at all.

If anything it's the Lions pick that get's into a bidding war if the Chargers and Raiders want to move up for a QB. Miami are the only ones that can outbid anyone else and the Chargers and Raiders don't have the capital to push us into a trade for #2 (at least not without throwing the baby out with the bath water).

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"The Redskins have talked to a couple teams that are interested in moving up"

Rap sheet

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You guys can calm now, he's wearing Miami Colors lol[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200423/2218fdfcaa4891bc607e286f70057b54.jpg[/IMG]

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